Your views on 'CARBOHYDRATES'
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The average american eats more food today and food that is higher in fat on a daily basis than we did in 1980, and our lives have gotten significantly easier aswell.
People eat more food and more high in fat food today then they did 50-60 years ago.
First I am the average MFPer, Some people not alot are carb sensitive, and yes, people that are carb sensitive might have to eat a low carb diet. But in most cases its not an issue until they drop to under 15% bodf fat.
Whether you need a lot of carbs to fuel your workouts depends on how intense your workouts need to be. Probably the majority of MFPers trying to better their health don't *need* a lot of carbs to fuel their workouts if they give themselves 2-4 weeks to adapt to using more fat to fuel their workouts.
The argument I want to make is that there is a tradeoff for using carbohydrates as fuel for athletic performance. There are many people who struggle with weight loss and excessive hunger on a high-carb diet and would benefit on a low-carb diet. For speed of weight loss, low-carb and high-carb doesn't make much difference, but there is a lot of evidence showing that low-carb diets are superior for improving the lipid profile. Also the benefit of being able to lose weight on low-carb without counting calories often outweighs the loss of athletic performance because the weight loss automatically improves performance in many cases.
I don't believe your assumption that 'not alot' of people are carb sensitive. I don't think we all spontaneously became gluttonous slobs in 1980. I'm hoping more research will show maybe there is a problem with our highly grain and sugar-based diets.
So, do you believe that since 1980 people have begun eating more grains than they did prior to the 80's?
People reduced fat intake and increased carbohydrate intake, and obesity skyrocketed. Not that this is evidence of causation, but gets you thinking maybe we should look into it.
The major increase in obesity rate didn't really occur until around 1980.0 -
I eat carbs on a regular basis. I don't overdo it and try to balance it with adequate protein and fat intake. I also try to get my carbs from fruit, whole grain fiber-rich breads, and starchy veggies (potatoes, corn, etc.).
It's worked very well for me. I tried low-carb for a while, and while I lost weight (eventually stalled out on it), I was miserable, lethargic, had no energy to workout, and generally was very cranky. I did much better on a balanced diet and subsequently busted through my first plateau as well.0 -
They are delicious. That is all.
^^^^^^^^ This.. *rolls happily in clouds of warm roll/bread/heavenly goodness*0 -
I am a carboholic. I love carbs. I try to keep them under control, but some days I just want loads and loads of carbs.0
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Love Them! BUT, I limit them. Especially fruit. Once I eat them, I am hungry for the day, no matter what. :frown:0
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I agree. Having grown up before they existed, I highly suspect the TV remote as one of the key factors in obesity. Can you imagine? Actually having to get up and walk to the TV every time you wanted to change the channel. Not to mention having to sometime climb on the roof to adjust the antenna. And then there are video games...
That certainly doesn't help. Agreed. But there seems to be more to it than that.0 -
The average american eats more food today and food that is higher in fat on a daily basis than we did in 1980, and our lives have gotten significantly easier aswell.
I also see that food manufacturing has changed dramatically, and there are a large number of "convenience foods" that are consumed regularly by the average American. There have also been changes in social welfare that make it possible for poor people to buy convenience foods with little to no nutritional value. Obesity is a big problem in low-income families, where lack of education, lack of TIME, and availability of junk food at low cost make healthy eating difficult.0 -
Grinch I checked your profile to see your progress pics but you dont have any. SInce you each such a perfect diet could you share pics with us to show us the fruits of such a strict diet? Thanks,
People eat more food and more high in fat food today then they did 50-60 years ago.
First I am the average MFPer, Some people not alot are carb sensitive, and yes, people that are carb sensitive might have to eat a low carb diet. But in most cases its not an issue until they drop to under 15% bodf fat.
Whether you need a lot of carbs to fuel your workouts depends on how intense your workouts need to be. Probably the majority of MFPers trying to better their health don't *need* a lot of carbs to fuel their workouts if they give themselves 2-4 weeks to adapt to using more fat to fuel their workouts.
The argument I want to make is that there is a tradeoff for using carbohydrates as fuel for athletic performance. There are many people who struggle with weight loss and excessive hunger on a high-carb diet and would benefit on a low-carb diet. For speed of weight loss, low-carb and high-carb doesn't make much difference, but there is a lot of evidence showing that low-carb diets are superior for improving the lipid profile. Also the benefit of being able to lose weight on low-carb without counting calories often outweighs the loss of athletic performance because the weight loss automatically improves performance in many cases.
I don't believe your assumption that 'not alot' of people are carb sensitive. I don't think we all spontaneously became gluttonous slobs in 1980. I'm hoping more research will show maybe there is a problem with our highly grain and sugar-based diets.
So, do you believe that since 1980 people have begun eating more grains than they did prior to the 80's?
People reduced fat intake and increased carbohydrate intake, and obesity skyrocketed. Not that this is evidence of causation, but gets you thinking maybe we should look into it.
The major increase in obesity rate didn't really occur until around 1980.0 -
People eat more food and more high in fat food today then they did 50-60 years ago.
First I am the average MFPer, Some people not alot are carb sensitive, and yes, people that are carb sensitive might have to eat a low carb diet. But in most cases its not an issue until they drop to under 15% bodf fat.
Whether you need a lot of carbs to fuel your workouts depends on how intense your workouts need to be. Probably the majority of MFPers trying to better their health don't *need* a lot of carbs to fuel their workouts if they give themselves 2-4 weeks to adapt to using more fat to fuel their workouts.
The argument I want to make is that there is a tradeoff for using carbohydrates as fuel for athletic performance. There are many people who struggle with weight loss and excessive hunger on a high-carb diet and would benefit on a low-carb diet. For speed of weight loss, low-carb and high-carb doesn't make much difference, but there is a lot of evidence showing that low-carb diets are superior for improving the lipid profile. Also the benefit of being able to lose weight on low-carb without counting calories often outweighs the loss of athletic performance because the weight loss automatically improves performance in many cases.
I don't believe your assumption that 'not alot' of people are carb sensitive. I don't think we all spontaneously became gluttonous slobs in 1980. I'm hoping more research will show maybe there is a problem with our highly grain and sugar-based diets.
So, do you believe that since 1980 people have begun eating more grains than they did prior to the 80's?
People reduced fat intake and increased carbohydrate intake, and obesity skyrocketed. Not that this is evidence of causation, but gets you thinking maybe we should look into it.
The major increase in obesity rate didn't really occur until around 1980.
You say we reduced fat and increased carb consumption since 1980? and yet ERS data shows fat consumption increasing over that time
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/foodconsumption/FoodGuideSpreadsheets.htm#calories0 -
Grinch I checked your profile to see your progress pics but you dont have any. SInce you each such a perfect diet could you share pics with us to show us the fruits of such a strict diet? Thanks,
Why are you attacking someone personally for their opinions on epidemiological issues and questions? Someone's personal fitness has very little to do with complex obesity epidemic. If I discounted everyone's input because they're fatter than me, then I'd have no reason to be here...0 -
Too many calories, regardless of their source lead to body fat. Carbs are the only source of energy that can be utilized by the brain and by red blood cells. They are absolutely essential to life.
No. Carbohydrates are NOT essential to life. You couldn't be more wrong on this.
Thank You. Carbs are not essential, fat is more necessary to life for brain and cellular function than carbs.
To the OP, if you have the metabolism and the activity level to support eating a high level of carbs, then go for it. If you are not that active of a person, then carb levels should be moderated.0 -
I agree. Having grown up before they existed, I highly suspect the TV remote as one of the key factors in obesity. Can you imagine? Actually having to get up and walk to the TV every time you wanted to change the channel. Not to mention having to sometime climb on the roof to adjust the antenna. And then there are video games...
That certainly doesn't help. Agreed. But there seems to be more to it than that.
Of course there is. Take any animal, give it a life that doesn't require work and an unlimited supply of easy food and it will become fat. In America, and other nations were life can be as easy as we want and we can eat all we want, we have to fight our very nature to stay fit and thin. Exercising regularly and preparing meals from natural foods just to stay healthy and thin takes work. Humans don't seem to like work.0 -
First I am the average MFPer, Some people not alot are carb sensitive, and yes, people that are carb sensitive might have to eat a low carb diet. But in most cases its not an issue until they drop to under 15% bodf fat.
Whether you need a lot of carbs to fuel your workouts depends on how intense your workouts need to be. Probably the majority of MFPers trying to better their health don't *need* a lot of carbs to fuel their workouts if they give themselves 2-4 weeks to adapt to using more fat to fuel their workouts.
The argument I want to make is that there is a tradeoff for using carbohydrates as fuel for athletic performance. There are many people who struggle with weight loss and excessive hunger on a high-carb diet and would benefit on a low-carb diet. For speed of weight loss, low-carb and high-carb doesn't make much difference, but there is a lot of evidence showing that low-carb diets are superior for improving the lipid profile. Also the benefit of being able to lose weight on low-carb without counting calories often outweighs the loss of athletic performance because the weight loss automatically improves performance in many cases.
I don't believe your assumption that 'not alot' of people are carb sensitive. I don't think we all spontaneously became gluttonous slobs in 1980. I'm hoping more research will show maybe there is a problem with our highly grain and sugar-based diets.
So, do you believe that since 1980 people have begun eating more grains than they did prior to the 80's?
People reduced fat intake and increased carbohydrate intake, and obesity skyrocketed. Not that this is evidence of causation, but gets you thinking maybe we should look into it.
Are there stastics that show that? I grew up in the 60's and 70's and just based on personal experience I would say that fat intake skyrocketed as fast food became the norm, rather than the occasional. When I was a child we rarely had fast food. It was a luxury. By 1980 people were eating it much more regularly and it was much higher in fat than most home cooked meals.
But you are also talking about overly processed grains primarily, which is entirely differnent than just "grains". I think most people will agree that a diet based primarily on processed grains is bad. If you strip all the good stuff out of any food it's not going to be healthy to then base your diet on that.
One graph shows food intake and another shows obesity rates. Before Acg pulls out his pirate graph, this isn't showing causation. I find it suspicious though.
http://www.cdc.gov/NCHS/data/hestat/obesity_adult_07_08/obesity_adult_07_08.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5304a3.htm
I'm not even saying that grains are the only bad food. I think refined grains are bad for the obvious reasons, whole grains have anti-nutrients and it seems more and more people are developing gluten intolerance/sensitivity. We eat too much sugar. And of course we combine too much fat with our carbs.
I think that some people evolved to have intolerance to carbs because their ancestors didn't have abundant access to them, so insulin resistance was a survival mechanism that has become counter-productive in modern times.0 -
I wasnt attacking anyone?? Just wanted to see the results of such a strict diet.Grinch I checked your profile to see your progress pics but you dont have any. SInce you each such a perfect diet could you share pics with us to show us the fruits of such a strict diet? Thanks,
Why are you attacking someone personally for their opinions on epidemiological issues and questions? Someone's personal fitness has very little to do with complex obesity epidemic. If I discounted everyone's input because they're fatter than me, then I'd have no reason to be here...0 -
Of course there is. Take any animal, give it a life that doesn't require work and an unlimited supply of easy food and it will become fat. In America, and other nations were life can be as easy as we want and we can eat all we want, we have to fight our very nature to stay fit and thin. Exercising regularly and preparing meals from natural foods just to stay healthy and thin takes work. Humans don't seem to like work.
I have a fat kitty...and she's on diet food and EVERYthing.
Maybe she has PCOS ...or a thyroid problem.0 -
I wasnt attacking anyone?? Just wanted to see the results of such a strict diet.
As if you're mocking tone and sarcasm was lost on me.... it was rude, and you know it.0 -
WOW, you are using LiveStrong as a credible source?
There is no biological need for carbs:
This is why there is no biological need for carbohydrates. The body will make the glucose (sugar) it needs from protein and natural fat.
Reference: Basic Medical Biochemistry: A Clinical Approach, pg. 24, 394. Dawn B. Marks, Allan D. Marks, Colleen M. Smith, Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins, August 1996, ISBN: 068305595X.Too many calories, regardless of their source lead to body fat. Carbs are the only source of energy that can be utilized by the brain and by red blood cells. They are absolutely essential to life.
No. Carbohydrates are NOT essential to life. You couldn't be more wrong on this.
THIS. They are non-essential.
Carbohydrates are essential to life. They help the brain produce seratonin which makes us happy. If you went 100% carb free you would be very ill. Ask any doctor. That is why the atkins diet does not work. Anyone who thinks you do not need a good balance between carba, protein and fats is just fooling themselves.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/414187-why-do-we-need-carbohydrates-in-our-diet/
Carbohydrates is one of the three macronutrients found in food, along with protein and fat. Each macronutrient has a different role, but all of them provide energy or calories to help your body go through your daily activities. Carbohydrates are actually made up of starches, sugars and fibers and can be found in grains, such as breakfast cereals, rice, pasta, granola bars, baked goods, crackers, legumes, fruits, milk, yogurt and any food that contains sugar.
Dietary Guidelines
The "2010 Dietary Guidelines for Americans" recommends that about half of your daily calories, or between 45 percent to 65 percent to be exact, be provided by carbohydrates. This amount of carbohydrates corresponds to between 225 g and 325 g of total carbohydrates, of which 25 g to 38 g should be fiber, based on a 2,000-calorie diet. The carbohydrate recommendation can be met by following MyPyramid, which promotes the daily consumption of 5 to 8 oz. of grains, 1.5 to 2 cups of fruits, 3 cups of dairy and up to 265 calories' worth of sugar or processed foods, based on a 2,000-calorie diet.
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Carbohydrates Role
While protein serves as a building block to repair and maintain the integrity of your cells, tissues and organs and fat is involved in the production of hormones and is a constituent of the membrane of each of your cells, the main role of carbohydrates is to provide energy. Some of your body cells, especially in your brain and your red blood cells, prefer to run on glucose, a type of sugar that can be obtained through the consumption of carbohydrates. When you exercise, your muscles can also use glucose as their main source of fuel.
Low-Carbohydrate Diets
Many low-carb eating plans recommend restricting your carbohydrate intake below 20 percent of your calories, which corresponds to 100 g or less of total carbohydrates a day. Although it is generally advised that the bulk of your calories be provided by carbohydrates, "the lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed," according to the "Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrate, Fiber, Fat, Fatty Acids, Cholesterol, Protein, and Amino Acids," published by the Institute of Medicine in 2005. The glucose that is needed by the brain and red blood cells can be manufactured from protein if you reduce your carbohydrate intake. Moreover, if you lower your carbohydrate intake, your body adjusts and switches to using fat as its main source of fuel, providing ketones which can also be used by your brain and various organs as a source of energy. Although carbohydrates provide energy, it is not an essential nutrient if your diet includes adequate amounts of protein and fat.
Finding The Right Amount of Carbs for You
Although the recommended carbohydrate intake corresponds to 225 g to 325 g a day, some people benefit from lowering their carbohydrate intake, whether it is to promote fat loss, better manage blood sugar levels or improve blood cholesterol levels. The best way to find out what works best for you is to change your carbohydrate intake, by either increasing or decreasing it, until you find the level that helps you feel energized while helping you reach your weight loss and health goals.
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References
U.S. Department of Agriculture and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: "2010 Dietary Guidelines for Americans"
My Pyramid: Food Groups
"Dietary Reference Intakes for Energy, Carbohydrate, Fiber, Fat, Fatty Acids, Cholesterol, Protein, and Amino Acids"; Institute of Medicine Food and Nutrition Board; 2005
"Nutrition & Metabolism"; The case for low carbohydrate diets in diabetes management; Surender K. Arora, et al.; July 2005
"Annals of Internal Medicine"; A Low-Carbohydrate, Ketogenic Diet versus a Low-Fat Diet To Treat Obesity and Hyperlipidemia; William S. Yancy Jr. et al; 2004
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/414187-why-do-we-need-carbohydrates-in-our-diet/#ixzz1rfREfqoR0 -
Grinch I checked your profile to see your progress pics but you dont have any. SInce you each such a perfect diet could you share pics with us to show us the fruits of such a strict diet? Thanks,
My diet isn't perfect. What is my strict diet you're referring to?0 -
WOW, you are using LiveStrong as a credible source?
There is no biological need for carbs:
This is why there is no biological need for carbohydrates. The body will make the glucose (sugar) it needs from protein and natural fat.
Reference: Basic Medical Biochemistry: A Clinical Approach, pg. 24, 394. Dawn B. Marks, Allan D. Marks, Colleen M. Smith, Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins, August 1996, ISBN: 068305595X.
The human body isn't really designed to derive all of it's glucose from gluconeogenesis. I would think that would be overly taxing to the kidneys and liver. Maybe we should all allow ourselves a few carbs, eh? For the kidneys? Maybe...0 -
I eat carbohydrates, and won't give them up. We all eat what we want. WHO THE F CARES!0
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WOW, you are using LiveStrong as a credible source?
There is no biological need for carbs:
This is why there is no biological need for carbohydrates. The body will make the glucose (sugar) it needs from protein and natural fat.
Reference: Basic Medical Biochemistry: A Clinical Approach, pg. 24, 394. Dawn B. Marks, Allan D. Marks, Colleen M. Smith, Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins, August 1996, ISBN: 068305595X.
That's about equivalent to marksdailyapple or gnolls or websites like that0 -
I consider simple carbs or empty calories that have no real nutrition value which I'm sure some people have mentioned are the worse . . . for me personally tend to make you crave more simple carbs and get that bloated feeling. I try to have complex carbs for the nutrients such as veggies and whole grains, and fiber. I have to monitor my carbs b/c if I introduce any type of simple carbs its downhill from here.0
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I agree. Having grown up before they existed, I highly suspect the TV remote as one of the key factors in obesity. Can you imagine? Actually having to get up and walk to the TV every time you wanted to change the channel. Not to mention having to sometime climb on the roof to adjust the antenna. And then there are video games...
That certainly doesn't help. Agreed. But there seems to be more to it than that.
Of course there is. Take any animal, give it a life that doesn't require work and an unlimited supply of easy food and it will become fat. In America, and other nations were life can be as easy as we want and we can eat all we want, we have to fight our very nature to stay fit and thin. Exercising regularly and preparing meals from natural foods just to stay healthy and thin takes work. Humans don't seem to like work.
Most of us have access to unlimited amounts of food, yet not everyone gets fat because of it regardless of whether they put in effort or not. Also not all foods are created equal in this regards.
The question I pose to the scientific world is what it is exactly about certain foods that leads to overeating.0 -
I need to do some research on this myself, but i do know that when I tried the adkins diet you are only allowed 20 grams of carbs a day. I couldnt function, I felt awful and didnt even want to get out of bed!0
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I wasnt attacking anyone?? Just wanted to see the results of such a strict diet.Grinch I checked your profile to see your progress pics but you dont have any. SInce you each such a perfect diet could you share pics with us to show us the fruits of such a strict diet? Thanks,
Why are you attacking someone personally for their opinions on epidemiological issues and questions? Someone's personal fitness has very little to do with complex obesity epidemic. If I discounted everyone's input because they're fatter than me, then I'd have no reason to be here...
But not having results yet doesn't mean your plan doesn't work. And not wanting to post pics of yourself on the www doesn't mean that you haven't had success. I met my goal a year ago and have maintained since but that's not really me in my profile pic.
Besides we are just talking about what are or are not unhealthy foods. That doesn't require pics.0 -
I love my carbs, I just try to get mine mainly from natural food sources like fruits and veggies and the occasional slice of pizza!0
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I agree. Having grown up before they existed, I highly suspect the TV remote as one of the key factors in obesity. Can you imagine? Actually having to get up and walk to the TV every time you wanted to change the channel. Not to mention having to sometime climb on the roof to adjust the antenna. And then there are video games...
That certainly doesn't help. Agreed. But there seems to be more to it than that.
Of course there is. Take any animal, give it a life that doesn't require work and an unlimited supply of easy food and it will become fat. In America, and other nations were life can be as easy as we want and we can eat all we want, we have to fight our very nature to stay fit and thin. Exercising regularly and preparing meals from natural foods just to stay healthy and thin takes work. Humans don't seem to like work.
Most of us have access to unlimited amounts of food, yet not everyone gets fat because of it regardless of whether they put in effort or not. Also not all foods are created equal in this regards.
The question I pose to the scientific world is what it is exactly about certain foods that leads to overeating.
Taste is my theory, based soley on my half century of personal experience.0 -
No your assuming the worst!! Mocking tone and sarcasm?? I didnt mean to be mocking or sarcastic. Its just that I wanted to see the results of the grinch's sacrifice, I will pretty much sacrifice my free time and spend more time in the gym, sacrifice the foods I love ( and I love carbs) and change my diet etc. to improve my body and health if the sacrifice is worth the effort.I wasnt attacking anyone?? Just wanted to see the results of such a strict diet.
As if you're mocking tone and sarcasm was lost on me.... it was rude, and you know it.0 -
I want to know how the atkins or other low carb diets work for people? I tried eating less than 20 carbs a day, worked out 3 days a week (cardio and strength training) and was only losing a pound a week (if that). Not complaining about that pound and I know the slower it comes off the better off, but for a "rapid weight loss" plan, it wasn't rapid at all. In addition there were people eating good food (brown rice, whole wheat bread that were beating my weight loss by just walking 3 times per week.) SOOO confused!0
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I'm glad that isnt you in your profile pic. because if it was, I want to kill and eat you!!
I wasnt attacking anyone?? Just wanted to see the results of such a strict diet.Grinch I checked your profile to see your progress pics but you dont have any. SInce you each such a perfect diet could you share pics with us to show us the fruits of such a strict diet? Thanks,
Why are you attacking someone personally for their opinions on epidemiological issues and questions? Someone's personal fitness has very little to do with complex obesity epidemic. If I discounted everyone's input because they're fatter than me, then I'd have no reason to be here...
But not having results yet doesn't mean your plan doesn't work. And not wanting to post pics of yourself on the www doesn't mean that you haven't had success. I met my goal a year ago and have maintained since but that's not really me in my profile pic.
Besides we are just talking about what are or are not unhealthy foods. That doesn't require pics.0
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