"Old Fashioned" or "Traditional" gender roles

Cris gets it :flowerforyou:

If I do...it's all because I had a great role model for a Father, who taught me that to love a woman is to make her understand, in every way possible, that she's THE single most important thing in your life (excepting your children of course...they get a whole separate category above and beyond humanity). If she can't appreciate that...and the things I do for her to show her that...then she needs to be with someone else.

Which is probably why I'm still single. Women alllll say they want that...but in the end, they really kind of...well...

Don't.

I think the problem is so many want it on their terms, and as we've seen here, certain gestures can be horribly misinterpreted. I think your idea of how a man should treat a woman is lovely and any woman will be lucky to have such a devoted partner. Hopefully you'll find someone soon who appreciates how you go about showing her how special she is

Cris gets it :flowerforyou:

If I do...it's all because I had a great role model for a Father, who taught me that to love a woman is to make her understand, in every way possible, that she's THE single most important thing in your life (excepting your children of course...they get a whole separate category above and beyond humanity). If she can't appreciate that...and the things I do for her to show her that...then she needs to be with someone else.

Which is probably why I'm still single. Women alllll say they want that...but in the end, they really kind of...well...

Don't.

I think the problem is so many want it on their terms, and as we've seen here, certain gestures can be horribly misinterpreted. I think your idea of how a man should treat a woman is lovely and any woman will be lucky to have such a devoted partner. Hopefully you'll find someone soon who appreciates how you go about showing her how special she is

I agree...and who on earth knows what those terms may be.

My last girlfriend, loved EVERY single thing about me...except for the fact that I'm not a person that has to have 'away' time. I get enough of that at work. I didn't mind her having hers...but I also didn't think that 'hers' should have been scheduled during time that was normally 'ours' (and she was very good about respecting that). That never really was our main issue though. What the main issue ended up being was that I have no secrets, and need no 'private' space in order to maintain my own identity. I was cooking dinner for us once, and asked her to log into my email and check something for me one time. She was literally unhappy about it...almost to the point of flat refusing. I asked her why...and she told me that it's because she wouldn't want me checking her email for any reason. I was like...seriously...what on earth would you have to hide?

That was the beginning of the end. Turned out lol...I found out a bit later, she did have things to hide.

Go figure.

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

LOL no way! If my husband tried to "make decisions" for me, it would not go well for him.

We do discuss it and come to a mutual agreement, but the decision is not ultimately "his" ever when it concerns us both. It's ours. My say has as much weight as his.

And what happens when you're both coming at it from different angles and neither of you are willing to compromise? Do you just say "screw it" and nothing gets done about the situation?

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

LOL no way! If my husband tried to "make decisions" for me, it would not go well for him.

We do discuss it and come to a mutual agreement, but the decision is not ultimately "his" ever when it concerns us both. It's ours. My say has as much weight as his.

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

LOL no way! If my husband tried to "make decisions" for me, it would not go well for him.

We do discuss it and come to a mutual agreement, but the decision is not ultimately "his" ever when it concerns us both. It's ours. My say has as much weight as his.

And what happens when you're both coming at it from different angles and neither of you are willing to compromise? Do you just say "screw it" and nothing gets done about the situation?

We talk it out like adults who have a mutual respect for each other do! He never has the right to make decisions that affect us both without my okay. Same goes for me. I don't make decisions that affect us both without first clearing it with him. We have a working partnership. He is not dominant over me. I am not dominant over him.

If you can't learn to compromise to give and take, that's not a partnership. That's something else entirely.

To be fair, I have the advantage of knowing you IRL, Andrew :laugh:

There is that.

To be fair, I have the advantage of knowing you IRL, Andrew :laugh:

There is that.

Don't make me regret inviting you here :explode: :laugh: :laugh:

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

LOL no way! If my husband tried to "make decisions" for me, it would not go well for him.

We do discuss it and come to a mutual agreement, but the decision is not ultimately "his" ever when it concerns us both. It's ours. My say has as much weight as his.

And what happens when you're both coming at it from different angles and neither of you are willing to compromise? Do you just say "screw it" and nothing gets done about the situation?

We talk it out like adults who have a mutual respect for each other do! He never has the right to make decisions that affect us both without my okay. Same goes for me. I don't make decisions that affect us both without first clearing it with him. We have a working partnership. He is not dominant over me. I am not dominant over him.

If you can't learn to compromise to give and take, that's not a partnership. That's something else entirely.

You're obviously missing my point. You've already talked it out...you can't find compromise...but something has to be done. IMO, it's the man's place, as the head of the household, to make the decision.

And, I never said anything about not compromising or that it wasn't a partnership...I firmly believe that it is. Try not to read things that aren't there.

I'm not reading anything that isn't there. I simply answered your question that you posed to me.

I just find the comment I put in bold on my first quote to be rather offensive and presumptuous. It presumes that the man must "know better" than the wife, and that is not always the case.

Anyway, I'm sure you're a good person, and I don't feel like hammering this home any more than I have. I've made my point and I'll gracefully just agree to disagree from here on out.

So here's my take on the whole thing...a man is a gentleman...he opens doors, he pays on dates, he walks on the road side of the sidewalk. He works...he doesn't necessarily have to be the one making the most money in the house, but a man is supposed to work. He also does his part around the house...traditionally I guess it would be he handles the yard work while the woman handles everything inside the house...I kind of think that's BS...guys should do their part inside the house as well...when my wife and I were still together, and still gave a damn about keeping the house clean, we had an agreement that I would keep the living room and bedroom straight while she handled the kitchen and bathroom...mostly because she was better at that type of thing than I was.

So, now the ladies...they should be submissive...not in the sense that whatever the man says goes, but they should understand that ultimately the final decision is the husband's...however, the husband should be open to his wife's opinion, and not quick to make any decision without her consideration. The woman's first responsibility should be to the children, if there are any, but that doesn't mean she cannot have a career, and as previously mentioned...if she's the one making the most money, that's okay. I don't think that women are less capable of doing an upper management type job or whatever.

LOL no way! If my husband tried to "make decisions" for me, it would not go well for him.

We do discuss it and come to a mutual agreement, but the decision is not ultimately "his" ever when it concerns us both. It's ours. My say has as much weight as his.

Some of this stuff makes me reaallllly happy there is no male person in my house other than the cats.