Looking for Feminist Friends

Geez, lighten up Umeboshi. I get that you are passionate about the topic, but that doesn't mean people are not allowed to attempt to diffuse a tense environment with humour.

I'm a MAN, its my right to do so! :laugh:

Would you like a sammich? :laugh:

The only thing that is outdated is the control that others have over a woman when she hasn't any options; get her pregnant, and take away her ability to prevent future pregnancies, and you've got a woman under your thumb for life.

Then don't spread your legs. Bam...ball's back in your court. YOU have the control.

I strongly agree with this statement.

Sorry, either the MFP server crashed, or my internet simply wouldn't allow me to connect.

If you go back through, and read all of these posts made by these self proclaimed feminists...you'll see that my point has been made. The fact that your thread is still in place speaks volumes about the rights you DO have (I stand by my statement that if I had made a post begging for friends of the opposite opinion...it would be shut down NOW...this has happened, a young woman posted a thread seeking the opinion of anti-feminists, and she was straight overrun with feminists bashing her and her ideals...and Miss Umeboshi was a part of it). Note, I didn't say equal rights...because we, as the 'majority'...don't have the right to speak without fear of repercussion.

Again, reread the posts...pretend they're about baseball...or if that's too 'masculine' for you, women's softball...or if that's too 'patriarchal' for you (I mean, we put them out there in those tight pants for a reason, right?), pretend it's about botany. Reread what was written, and you can blatantly see the blind activism, the narrow mindedness, the refusal to accept anothers point of view, in the 'feminist' side of the argument.

Ask any reasonable, modern man or woman (this would be the majority by the way), what a woman's place in soceity is...and though you may get a joke or two, the core answer will be 'any place she wants'. If you people are too narrow minded to figure that out, I'm very sorry for you.

Have a good night.

I love how the fact that we're allowed to speak our minds at all is somehow seen as this magnanimous concession to women's equality.
The 'joke or two' is misogyny. The fact that women are allowed outside the kitchen and to work does not negate the various other ways women are oppressed.
Educate yourself.

I'm far beyond educated little girl. A joke, is a joke. Just because you can't handle it doesn't mean it's a negative. Grow up, and stop pushing your ideals on others.

You didn't acknowledge your part in getting the other young ladies thread shut down, either...nicely played. She asked specifically for anti-feminist opinions...yet you felt the need to stick your nose in and BASH...not disagree, straight out insult and belittle her as well.

Also...the day you realize that the fact that you ARE allowed to speak your mind, and I am NOT allowed to speak mine without fear of being labled and belittled, is the first step you'll make towards having an opinion worth hearing.

Educate yourself.

Man. I have a husband who I adore, respect, and defer to... and I'm a housewife. I don't take out my trash because it's gross and totally his job. I also cook, clean, bake bread, make lavish meals, ferment things, and I would love to make soaps and candles and go back 200 years ago and kick *kitten*.

...but I'm still a feminist. If a woman chooses to be unlike me, shave her head, wear men's clothing, not wax her mustache, she's not going to have as easy of a time in life as I am. In plenty of other countries, if a woman chooses to have a mouth like I do- she gets stoned. That's why.. both problems suck and both can only be fixed by people who are actively aware of these issues... with the first, change starts by raising children who aren't judgmental and who have freedom of expression.

Geez, lighten up Umeboshi. I get that you are passionate about the topic, but that doesn't mean people are not allowed to attempt to diffuse a tense environment with humour.

I'm a MAN, its my right to do so! :laugh:

Would you like a sammich? :laugh:

or

Call me silly but is a sammich and a sandwich the same thing? When ppl offer sammiches or Mmmmm them, I'm completely lost. So what is a sammich?

Geez, lighten up Umeboshi. I get that you are passionate about the topic, but that doesn't mean people are not allowed to attempt to diffuse a tense environment with humour.

I'm a MAN, its my right to do so! :laugh:

Would you like a sammich? :laugh:

I'd love one, thanks. Although I am quite capable of making my pwn thankyou... and am happy to make you one while I am in the kitchen...

of course feel free to mow the lawn and take out the trash for me

Now, now, everybody knows taking out the trash is clearly men's work-maybe you men should start a movement for equality in household chores...:laugh:

Cari, make me a sandwhich, i'll protect you. Unless you want to play the male role, come protect me :-)

Geez, lighten up Umeboshi. I get that you are passionate about the topic, but that doesn't mean people are not allowed to attempt to diffuse a tense environment with humour.

I'm a MAN, its my right to do so! :laugh:

Would you like a sammich? :laugh:

or

Call me silly but is a sammich and a sandwich the same thing? When ppl offer sammiches or Mmmmm them, I'm completely lost. So what is a sammich?

:laugh: Yes, it's a sandwich.

Man. I have a husband who I adore, respect, and defer to... and I'm a housewife. I don't take out my trash because it's gross and totally his job. I also cook, clean, bake bread, make lavish meals, ferment things, and I would love to make soaps and candles and go back 200 years ago and kick *kitten*.

...but I'm still a feminist. If a woman chooses to be unlike me, shave her head, wear men's clothing, not wax her mustache, she's not going to have as easy of a time in life as I am. In plenty of other countries, if a woman chooses to have a mouth like I do- she gets stoned. That's why.. both problems suck and both can only be fixed by people who are actively aware of these issues... with the first, change starts by raising children who aren't judgmental and who have freedom of expression.

Sorry, either the MFP server crashed, or my internet simply wouldn't allow me to connect.

If you go back through, and read all of these posts made by these self proclaimed feminists...you'll see that my point has been made. The fact that your thread is still in place speaks volumes about the rights you DO have (I stand by my statement that if I had made a post begging for friends of the opposite opinion...it would be shut down NOW...this has happened, a young woman posted a thread seeking the opinion of anti-feminists, and she was straight overrun with feminists bashing her and her ideals...and Miss Umeboshi was a part of it). Note, I didn't say equal rights...because we, as the 'majority'...don't have the right to speak without fear of repercussion.

Again, reread the posts...pretend they're about baseball...or if that's too 'masculine' for you, women's softball...or if that's too 'patriarchal' for you (I mean, we put them out there in those tight pants for a reason, right?), pretend it's about botany. Reread what was written, and you can blatantly see the blind activism, the narrow mindedness, the refusal to accept anothers point of view, in the 'feminist' side of the argument.

Ask any reasonable, modern man or woman (this would be the majority by the way), what a woman's place in soceity is...and though you may get a joke or two, the core answer will be 'any place she wants'. If you people are too narrow minded to figure that out, I'm very sorry for you.

Have a good night.

I love how the fact that we're allowed to speak our minds at all is somehow seen as this magnanimous concession to women's equality.
The 'joke or two' is misogyny. The fact that women are allowed outside the kitchen and to work does not negate the various other ways women are oppressed.
Educate yourself.

I'm far beyond educated little girl. A joke, is a joke. Just because you can't handle it doesn't mean it's a negative. Grow up, and stop pushing your ideals on others.

You didn't acknowledge your part in getting the other young ladies thread shut down, either...nicely played. She asked specifically for anti-feminist opinions...yet you felt the need to stick your nose in and BASH...not disagree, straight out insult and belittle her as well.

Also...the day you realize that the fact that you ARE allowed to speak your mind, and I am NOT allowed to speak mine without fear of being labled and belittled, is the first step you'll make towards having an opinion worth hearing.

Educate yourself.

A joke isn't just a joke if it's oppressive and harmful.

I have no idea what thread you're talking about, as I've never outright attacked anyone on here.

You are labeling and belittling and being condescending towards me for speaking my mind, so don't act like there's some huge unfair bias here.
And again, the fact that I'm so graciously 'allowed' to speak my mind does not negate the huge amounts of oppression women face.

When I say educate yourself, I mean do some reading and find out what feminism is really about and read about the very real oppression women still face, instead of hiding in your little male privilege bubble.

You forgot 'cis-normative'. And don't you dare deny that you attacked that woman...you attacked me as well. That thread, and another were both shut down because of your jumping in, and hijacking them with your opinions and reverse bigotry. Don't you recall? 'No homo'. You ran around typing 'no hetero' in your ridiculous posts for hours.

Funny how we conveniently forget our own behavior...isn't it.

This whole thing makes my head spin :laugh:

As an American woman, I'm not oppressed in the least. Well...I lie. I married a man who met me at my weakest and attempted to pigeonhole me into his idea of what a proper wife should be. But, because I'm an American woman...I have the right to leave him without fear and with plenty of ways to provide for myself.

Is our society perfect? No, but I'm still not sold on the evil patriarchy thing, either.

chairman, police-man, foreman, male nurse, stay at home dad, woman doctor. I could go on but one can see even in our default language our society is patriarchal, Positions of power default to the male and positions of servitude default to the woman.

I am not sure why ALL Women don't call themselves feminists.

Me too:) even my husband calls himself a feminist...

exactly!

same here! i feel sad for women (and men) who feel that identifying as a feminist is somehow negative. my quality of life is much greater as a direct result of the feminist household i was raised in and for the feminists before me who helped pave the way.

This.

ALL women do not call themselves Feminist because Many have BIGGER Fish to Fry FIRST. SEE, Feminist is a White Female Elitist word. Women of Color use the word Womanist (see works By Z.N. Hurston). See "we" had to FIRST deal with White Privilege (which is STILL Manifest, of which White Women are a Major Beneficiary.) White Privilege is a *****! You cab "Fling" that word (Feminist) all you want to, but until they deal with the inequities of White Privilege(and White Women renounce it) MOST of the World's women will NEVER embrace a White Woman's Definition of the word! WE have BIGGER FISH To Fry>>>FIRST! Ohhh, but YOU can't SEE that, it's about what your Spoiled Azz wants, right! I BET You and Your White Man will come together on THAT! You can afford to talk shyt when your Daddy is protecting you.

I want to honestly thank you for calling attention to the privilege inherent in feminism. It absolutely is an elite movement for people with power. The third and fourth waves of feminism have attempted to address this, but there certainly is a lot of room for improvement when it comes to including/creating space for women of color. Thank you for highlighting this very, very legitimate short coming of feminism.

Well, this has been interesting, peeps. I have 5 kids and a husband to make brekkie for and drop off at 3 different schools and work in the morning, so i'm off to bed. Have a great night all!