Vegetarianism. Seriously? (A Debate)

They stopped using lard decades ago. Sad really, as nutritionally, lard is actually very high in monounsaturated fat, and medium chain triglycerides, the healthy stuff people are spending crazy amounts of money on coconut oil for. :laugh:

I believe it was you who pointed this out to me in a recent thread. It was very exciting news. I went out that day and bought a lb. of bacon, read the label with glee and "pigged" out. From now on I'm using lard to make my pie crusts. Thank you for that!

This is not an opinion topic. Humans were not made to eat meat and it causes a variety of health issues such as obesity, high cholesterol, diabetes, and strokes, heart attacks, and pulmonary embolisms go along with those conditions. Those are the leading causes of death and debilitating diseases. I'm not going to explain my position to someone that's not open minded, it's easier talking to a wall. Meat is causing the health care industry millions. Do your own research instead of posting on here like an *kitten* making vegetarian jokes.

Apparently, crushing your attempt to prove that "yours is really as big as mine" was either overlooked or misunderstood.

I'll type more slowly this time...

I come back to this board periodically, and I just noticed two things with this post:

Yes. We noticed. Because you're desperately insecure and suffering from the worst case of eLittleMan Syndrome, ever.


Oh, my. I guess you always argue ad hominem, right? Is that what they taught you in law school? What law school did you say you went to again?



Buckle-in Cupcake, this is going to sting a bit.

1. The dude who started this string seems upset that someone (me) said he was on steroids, and

I'm not hurt anymore than if you would have called me an octopus or the moon. Your statement was an inane, irrelevant retort that made absolutely no sense, nor had any basis in reality... other than the fact that I appear quite "large" in my picutre... of which you clearly took note.



Gee you seemed so upset that you remarked that a vegetarian had said you were on steroids. Of course your statement that you were larger than 7 vegans and a car was not inane, irrelevant, or just plain dumb.



Does someone need a wittle hug in my big, strong arms?



Thanks, I'll pass. I am a guy who is not interested in guys, and besides I am married.





Rather than establish a statement that supported your viewpoint, you levied an emotional response along the lines of, "Yeah well... you're a great-big doodie-head, and I'm rubber...and..and you're glue."

Case in point... In the same paragraph, you "hypothesized" I use steroids, you additionally explained that I was going to soon die of heart disease. And that was the crux of your "vegetarianism is nifty" argument.

Wow. Ya got me.



Nope. Your diet got you.



I'm sorry Peaches, but no one in the audience was fooled, nor impressed by your "argument." Including those that actually support your "argument." If those on "your side" don't even support you, there not much call to take you seriously, is there...



I see you know a lot about arguing. What law school did you say you went to?



But hold-on Muffincake, I'm not quite finished with you.

2. The same dude seems to be claiming to be an attorney.

It's fairly easy to prove or "carry burden" as we say. There's a piece of paper on the wall behind me.



I know a lot of attorneys. Being an attorney is no guarantee of being bright.

As for number 1, this dude, showing a photo of six or seven vegans and their car, claimed that he was "bigger than everyone in that photo plus the car." After that statement he gets upset when someone says he's on steroids?

Clearly, you've never seen me "upset." You are an adorable wee, tiny lil man though. Feisty. Like a puppy.

Hello! Are you bigger than a car and several people without steroids?

Yes.

Then you better change your diet, Dude.

Hmm. Maybe I should join a fitness website, and discuss other diets that I don't understand. Let's see how that turns out.

As for number 2, I have never seen an attorney argue this poorly.

Obviously, you've never been to a courthouse, anywhere, ever.



Probably a hundred times more than you.

If you are an attorney, you are certainly not here to argue or debate, and I think your comments about wanting to actually learn about vegetarianism are disingenuous.

I don't know. I seem to be crushing your wee lil plea for attention, just fine.



Look, you are the one who announced to the world that you were a big bad attorney. Personally, I would never reveal that about myself, since if it were true (not saying yes or no) you will be fighting the perception of being a shyster for the rest of the time you are on this board. Trust me, people are not impressed by occupation, particularly that of attorney. Wanna hear some lawyer jokes?

As I said, there are hundreds or even thousands of studies that show, among other things that vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters, vegetarians are smarter than meat eaters (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm), vegetarians are wealthier than meat eaters (okay this one could be chicken and the egg - do weathier people become vegetarians?

And as I said multiple times, anyone can quote studies, statistics, other websites, facts, figures and anecdotal data. That's not an argument. That's "hearsay." They taught us stuff like that in law school.



It's called expert testimony. True, I don't have witnesses to introduce the studies, but since you don't seem to have gone to a law school that had evidence classes, let me just tell you that there is something called the learned treatise exception:

"Learned Treatises. To the extent called to the attention of an expert witness upon cross-examination or relied upon by the expert witness in direct examination, statements contained in published treatises, periodicals, or pamphlets on a subject of history, medicine, or other science or art, established as a reliable authority by the testimony or admission of the witness or by other expert testimony or by judicial notice. If admitted, the statements may be read into evidence but may not be received as exhibits."

In addition any evidence that is probative of the point for which it is being offered, if from a trustsworthy source, can be admitted.

I am cross examining you as a self styled expert witness on diet.

Or do vegetarians become wealthier people), vegetarians have lower incidence of chronic diseases such as heart disease or cancer then non-vegetarians, and, well, my favorite, vegetarians are satisfied with themselves in terms of ethics, karma and ecology. This latter attribute is considered by meat-eaters to be a "superior attitude." Okay, I guess it is, but why does it bother you so much?

Another reason I'm not debating you specifically, is because I question your competency and mental status. The statement above would stand as specific evidence to the effect. Being that I never said anything about any of the issues nor statements that you referenced in that statement, at any time, ever, I don't think you're of sound mind and body.



Considering you don't like what I am saying and considering that you truly do have an ego the size of many attorneys I have met, I am sure you do feel that way. I am starting to think you really are an attorney.



Perhaps it's the lack of protein. Or possibly testosterone.

Anyway, this is a false debate.

Yeah. I actually posted that three (3) times. Go read. Come back smarter.

It is all opinion and anecdotal information.

Do you actually read the things you post?

We had several real debates on this subject (see, e.g., http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/609763-meat-eating-vs-vegan-debate) where we quoted studies and debated the relative merits of the studies.

Yet, you keep desperately vying for my attention. Weird.



Vying for your attention? You started a board on a topic. I am interested in the topic (though not interested in you at all). Therefore I post. I would say that the person who started this topic is the one vying for attention.

Counselor, is this any way to put on a case?

Nope. This is how I post in a discussion forum pursuant the Community Guidelines, documented below.

Where is your expert witness? Where is your in rem jurisdiction? Your arguments seem pretty quasi in rem to me!

Well, first... you need to stop Googling "legal terms," in a feeble attempt to look intelligent. You're not. Everyone reading this has long since summed you up. Just stop.

Second, your sentence above is almost as inane and asinine as you telling someone you don't know, have never met and know absolutely nothing about that they are "taking steroids" and "about to die from heart failure."

You see Poohbear, you're what scientists like to call "an idiot." You've spent several hours on this thread, reading and posturing a feeble effort to argue the values of vegetarianism, based solely on the following pivotal, key elements:

- I'm a big meanie-head
- I look like I take steroids
- I'm going to soon die of heart failure
- Big meatheads can't be lawyers
- And three (3) links to other websites you think are neato

I've enjoyed this.

Now, stay down. It will hurt less.



It doesn't hurt at all. What law school did you say you went to? Wasn't a correspondence course, was it?

This is not an opinion topic. Humans were not made to eat meat and it causes a variety of health issues such as obesity, high cholesterol, diabetes, and strokes, heart attacks, and pulmonary embolisms go along with those conditions. Those are the leading causes of death and debilitating diseases. I'm not going to explain my position to someone that's not open minded, it's easier talking to a wall. Meat is causing the health care industry millions. Do your own research instead of posting on here like an *kitten* making vegetarian jokes.

Explain the appendix and enzymes designed specifically to break down meat.

This is not an opinion topic. Humans were not made to eat meat and it causes a variety of health issues such as obesity, high cholesterol, diabetes, and strokes, heart attacks, and pulmonary embolisms go along with those conditions. Those are the leading causes of death and debilitating diseases. I'm not going to explain my position to someone that's not open minded, it's easier talking to a wall. Meat is causing the health care industry millions. Do your own research instead of posting on here like an *kitten* making vegetarian jokes.

Explain the appendix and enzymes designed specifically to break down meat found in the human body

Exactly what are you referring to. Be specific. The last time you said "bears," then you said "not bears."

Im on the veggie side:)
Being a vegeterian has made me an overall happier person. I feel like i have more energy, my skin looks great, my will power is incredible, my cooking skills have improved, I feel fuller for less calories, I'm saving the lives of many animals, Ive been forced to try new things, most of which i love, i save money because i don't eat out as often... I could go on and on all day about the benifits of eating things without faces, yet i don't feel the need to. I eat how i eat zas a choice. Im not one of those people who want everyone to go veggie, and i don't believe that meat is evil. Its just not for me!!