Why do some people on here say that cheese is unhealthy???

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  • GodsGirl37
    GodsGirl37 Posts: 348
    the reason they say cheese is unhealthy is most you get from store are processed and they add extra ingredients in them. with your natural cheese it is very healthy. not always easily accessible. I love the baby bell cheese and the laughing cow cheese wedges. I do eat cheese have to really limiit it since it triggers my allergies.
  • jdploki70
    jdploki70 Posts: 343
    I don't drink milk, so I eat cheese. Even the processed stuff has the basic nutrients I need. And I could use the extra sodium, having a low blood pressure issue most of the time.
  • AmyM713
    AmyM713 Posts: 594 Member
    dairy slows down your metabolism

    Source?

    I really hope not because I'm pretty sure my metabolism would be non existent at this point!
    That's not muscles in your profile pic, that's cheese gromit!

    I knew my results were too good to be true thank you for pointing this out LOL!!
  • live2dream
    live2dream Posts: 614 Member
    I used to be the biggest cheese-lover in effing world, then I discovered the truth about dairy and it changed EVERYTHING!

    Cow milk is meant for baby cows, just like human milk is meant for baby humans. We are the only species that drinks another animals milk. It's not normal. As far as health, the acidity of milk creates an acidic environment in the body and actually LEACHES calcium from our bones. THe milk does a body good campaign is just a marketing ploy for the dairy industry.

    Not only that: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allows 750 million pus cells in every liter of milk (about two pounds). In Europe, regulators allow 400 million pus cells per liter.

    Since it takes 10 pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese, a pound of cheese can contain up to 7.5 billion pus cells. If your American cheese is sliced so that there are 16 slices to a pound, that single slice of American or Swiss can contain over 468 million pus cells.

    Eighty percent of milk protein consists of casein, a tenacious glue. Casein is the glue that is used to hold a label to a bottle of beer. Try to scrape off one of those labels, then consider the effects of casein in your body. Casein is the glue that holds together wood in furniture.

    Behold the power of glue and behold the power of horrible bowel movements. Casein is a foreign protein and your body reacts to its presence by creating an antibody. That antibody-antigen reaction creates histamines. Anti-histamines (like Benadryl) are used to counter the effects of histamines. Mucus and phlegm are produced as a result of cheese consumption.

    Not to mention if you don't drink organic, you're consuming hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides.

    from: http://www.drheise.com/powercheese.htm

    Also there's tons of resources and sources here: http://www.notmilk.com


    I've been off dairy for 9 months now... it wasn't easy since casein is an addictive opiate-like protein meant to attract babies to eat more to become big and strong... mother nature never intended for us to keep drinking it forever. After 2 weeks of withdrawals, I don't miss it at all anymore! There are SO MANY substitutes, life is good and I feel happier and healthier! :)
  • Babymomakell
    Babymomakell Posts: 257 Member
    You mean we cant believe EVERYTHING we read on the internet? what?!?!


    LOL
  • Carissamr
    Carissamr Posts: 35 Member
    I don't think cheese is unhealthy...I just avoid it to some degree because of the calorie content...If I am having a salad or tacos cheese doesn't make that big of a difference so I skip it...when I have a burger I choose between cheese or a bun...I usually skip Parmesan cheese on my spaghetti and limit the amount of ricotta I eat if the meal we are having contains it...It all really depends on how many calories I have already consumed and if I feel it is worth it to me
  • kie_kie
    kie_kie Posts: 106 Member
    I love cheese so much... i dont think i could live without cheese. and not the process kind cuz thats kind of plasticky but the kind u have to cut up n stuff

    as long as you eat it in moderation i dnt c the problem.
  • nickiog
    nickiog Posts: 187 Member
    Because they're whack.

    Wiggety wiggety wiggety whack.

    truth!
  • harrietlg
    harrietlg Posts: 239
    because i'm lactose intolerant.... also high fat foods make me nauseous :/ but it has also got the disadvantage of all the fat and sodium which i would find hard to fit into my macros daily. I'd rather spend 150 cals worth of cheese on something more filling and healthy to be honest.
  • direwolfprincess
    direwolfprincess Posts: 261 Member

    Now I am an English teacher who drills the importance of adequately sourcing your claims into teenagers for a living.

    I figured an English teacher would shudder violently while reading forum posts as they often contain fallacies, misappropriated punctuation, text talk and other atrocities. The illiterate horror within would disassemble even the toughest English foundations.
    Not to mention the overuse of emoticons. *Insert winking icon here*
    Is this how you toughen up for students?


    As for cheese, I refuse to separate myself from it but understand that we must moderate our bond. For us to be seen together frequently would cause a great scandal.
  • WadeyLady
    WadeyLady Posts: 18
    Grilled Haloumi and ham toastie!
  • Rilke
    Rilke Posts: 1,201 Member

    Now I am an English teacher who drills the importance of adequately sourcing your claims into teenagers for a living.

    I figured an English teacher would shudder violently while reading forum posts as they often contain fallacies, misappropriated punctuation, text talk and other atrocities. The illiterate horror within would disassemble even the toughest English foundations.
    Not to mention the overuse of emoticons. *Insert winking icon here*
    Is this how you toughen up for students?


    As for cheese, I refuse to separate myself from it but understand that we must moderate our bond. For us to be seen together frequently would cause a great scandal.

    I have learned to let a lot of grammatical stuff slide past me, both online and in conversation. Also, I am sure my own posts are not completely free of those errors you mention, but I try my best. I have to admit that I do like emoticons though. Hey, I still put smiley face stickers on kids' tests and quizzes. You'd never know they were past adolescence -- they get such a kick out of stickers.
  • PittShkr
    PittShkr Posts: 1,000 Member
    Cheese makes me fart!

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  • NajahDaMuslimah
    NajahDaMuslimah Posts: 51
    Too much of ANYTHING can be "unhealthy". Even fruits and vegetables in large moderations can be "unhealthy"...:smile:
  • Pocket_Pixi
    Pocket_Pixi Posts: 1,167 Member
    Dr. Oz probably told them it was true.
  • shellybean73
    shellybean73 Posts: 88 Member
    Cheese is better than chocolate :) haha
  • direwolfprincess
    direwolfprincess Posts: 261 Member

    Now I am an English teacher who drills the importance of adequately sourcing your claims into teenagers for a living.

    I figured an English teacher would shudder violently while reading forum posts as they often contain fallacies, misappropriated punctuation, text talk and other atrocities. The illiterate horror within would disassemble even the toughest English foundations.
    Not to mention the overuse of emoticons. *Insert winking icon here*
    Is this how you toughen up for students?


    As for cheese, I refuse to separate myself from it but understand that we must moderate our bond. For us to be seen together frequently would cause a great scandal.

    I have learned to let a lot of grammatical stuff slide past me, both online and in conversation. Also, I am sure my own posts are not completely free of those errors you mention, but I try my best. I have to admit that I do like emoticons though. Hey, I still put smiley face stickers on kids' tests and quizzes. You'd never know they were past adolescence -- they get such a kick out of stickers.

    Well in that case you rock! High school was a miserable experience. A smiley face sticker would have made it slightly less painful
    I wish the office would implement the "gold star" sticker routine. I think it would improve morale!
  • direwolfprincess
    direwolfprincess Posts: 261 Member
    Dr. Oz probably told them it was true.

    I can't even count the number of times someone has told me to do something because they saw it on Dr. OZ!
  • mfp_junkie
    mfp_junkie Posts: 359
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    Not only that: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allows 750 million pus cells in every liter of milk (about two pounds). In Europe, regulators allow 400 million pus cells per liter.

    Member of PETA for long?

    The National Dairy Council wrote in a Dec. 21, 2007 email to ProCon.org:

    "There is no pus in milk. All milk - including human breast milk - naturally contains somatic (white) cells, which are critical in fighting infection and ensuring good health.

    People should get their family's nutrition advice from reputable, accredited health professionals, not animal rights groups like PETA [People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals]."

    Dec. 21, 2007 - National Dairy Council (NDC)

    Kim Polzin, Consumer Media Representative at the Midwest Dairy Association, wrote in a Spring 2003 article "Milk Quality Is Key to Consumer Confidence," published in the Dairy Initiatives newsletter:

    "On the surface, somatic cell counts seem like a topic that would interest only dairy farmers, veterinarians, and dairy processors. The impact of somatic cell counts on protein levels and cheese making seems far removed from things a consumer might think about while visiting the grocery store.

    Enter People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and its 'Got Pus?' campaign, which attempts to 'alert consumers to impurities in the U.S. milk supply, particularly the high levels of bacteria-harboring pus.' Their so-called proof? Somatic cell counts...

    [PETA] goes on to discuss the Pasteurized Milk Ordinance and even uses a state-by-state list of average SC [somatic cell] counts published by Hoard's Dairyman as 'evidence.' These activists are asking the public to abandon milk - one of the most tested, wholesome, and nutritious foods available.

    The dairy checkoff is working to make sure consumers are not swayed by PETA's ridiculous and incorrect claims. There is no pus in milk."

    Spring 2003 - Kim Polzin

    Jeffrey W. Hull, MD, FAAP, practicing pediatrician, provided the following response to the question "Do you feel that it is accurate to state that there is indeed pus in milk?" in a Jan. 4, 2008 email to ProCon.org:

    "No. Pus contains much more than simply white cells. There are dead neutrophils present, live nutrophils, dead tissue cells, blood proteins, dead and sometimes live bacteria...Pus is a pejorative and prejudicial term in this context, especially for material aimed at the scientifically naive. White cells - both neutrophils but also immunity bearing lymphocytes - are present in all mammalian milks. They have no bearing on the health of the beverage. Only bacterial or mycobacterial contamination of milk is of any relevance in my view."
  • aznewsh
    aznewsh Posts: 1 Member
    It's rotten milk - I don't like the taste of it and never have so not an issue.
  • rainydaze613
    rainydaze613 Posts: 112 Member
    People tend to have very strong opinions about food.
    I won't lie- I'm a cheese lover, and while there are good things that come out of cheese, I also think there are many detrimental effects to dairy (actually decreases ability to absorb calcium, associated with bad skin and body odor, etc) in general and that the dairy industry is attempting to brainwash people. You can pretty much argue that anything is healthy or unhealthy, because there's bound to be a study online to back up your case.
    Whether or not something is "unhealthy" can mean different things- unprocessed, high calorie, high fat, high carb, etc. Depends on an individual themselves.
    The same scenario can be seen for people who avoid soy like the plague. I personally think soy is great. I eat many servings of it in all forms every day.
    The important thing is to have a balance of food, and gradually find out what works for you.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

    once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

    I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

    I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
    http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
    http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

    Your science is outdated and based primarily on the old "sat fat is evil" garbage. Dairy fat has been found to be pretty much neutral. Overall dairy's health benefits probably outweight it's risks. Plus it's a good source of CLA. And oh yeah, it tastes frickin great.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3289141/?tool=pubmed
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16407709
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22081693
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3299312/
  • Debbe2
    Debbe2 Posts: 2,071 Member
    <<< Disclaimer*** Cheese lover here
    Lots of people think of cheese as a protein but it is actually low in protein for the amount of calories and fat it contains. So cheese in and of itself isn't unhealthy as long as the amount of cheese you eat fits within your daily goals. If you want to save on the calories then consider some of the time using cheese like a condiment on foods to add flavor and enjoyment while not going overboard with it.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    http://www.chacha.com/question/does-dairy-slow-down-your-metabolism

    This looks like a very reliable source...feel free to use it as a reference :bigsmile:

    Reliable source? um yeah not like this came from NIH or anything. I would NOT consider this a source to back that up. NEXT!

    Okay than, next up is advice from the NIH:

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/patientinstructions/000104.htm
    "Saturated fats raise your LDL ("bad") cholesterol level. High LDL cholesterol puts you at risk for heart attack, stroke, and other major health problems. You should avoid or limit foods that are high in saturated fats.

    --Keep saturated fats to only 10% of your total daily calories.
    --Foods with a lot of saturated fats are animal products, such as butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, cream, and fatty meats.
    --Some vegetable oils -- coconut, palm, and palm kernel oils -- also contain saturated fats. These fats are solid at room temperature.
    --A diet high in saturated fat increases cholesterol build up in your arteries (blood vessels). Cholesterol is a soft, waxy substance that can cause clogged, or blocked, arteries.":

    hahaha Well first, I won't even get into how poor the sources are on that NIH article, and the influence that the corn/healthcare industry has over them.

    This is wrong, outdated science. There are different types of LDL, having high LDL means nothing.

    Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. Not eating cholesterol does nothing but increase your bodies production.. of cholesterol.

    Science!

    While I wouldn't say high LDL means nothing, the important part is that there are different types of LDL and the kind sat fat increases aren't the most worrisome kind.

    There is a plethora of evidence that suggests total fat intake and even sat fat are not detrimental to you health when controlled for the obvious confounders.
  • stormieweather
    stormieweather Posts: 2,549 Member
    Mmmmm cheese!!! :love: :heart: :happy:
  • wgn4166
    wgn4166 Posts: 771 Member
    what about wieght watcher cheese
  • danithegirl89
    danithegirl89 Posts: 203 Member
    Because they're clearly crazy! Cheese is my favorite food :)
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
    The saturated fat in dairy has been linked to increased risk of disease.

    once again source? if you are going to quote something like this - no offense but back it up

    I didn't quote anything, I answered the OP's question.

    I don't owe you or anyone a source and the tone of your reply suggests you are unwilling to listen to any opinion other than your own. Since everyone on here has Google I don't see why you can't find this stuff yourself, but here a few.

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html#the-bottom-line
    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/healthy-eating-cutting-unhealthy-fats-from-your-diet#
    http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252
    http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/4/929.abstract
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

    None of these sources are reliable. The Harvard article says soy is healthy. Enough said.
  • Eadne
    Eadne Posts: 18 Member
    One serving of cheese is TINY considering the high amount of calories, and it's easy to eat too much. I eat cottage cheese but rarely bother with the sort that needs slicing - I'd rather spend my calories on food that's more filling.

    Also it's worth noting that British people have never been so healthy as during WWII when cheese was rationed to 28g per week...
  • Chipmaniac
    Chipmaniac Posts: 642 Member
    Also it's worth noting that British people have never been so healthy as during WWII when cheese was rationed to 28g per week...
    Wow! That settles it!

    You might want to explore the difference between causation and correlation. Just some friendly advice.
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