Honest answers only

It also says in the bible that you should kill your children if they disobey you, so I think giving "because it's in the bible" as an answer for anything is a complete fallacy.

I have never figured out the anti-gay thing either. Why is someone's sex-life anyone else's business?

I honestly think god made some mistakes in his teachings and now christianity is trying to back pedal and interpret it. I don't think they really know what god thinks about anything.. Kinda off topic but I like your response.

I am a lesbian.

To those who say being gay is a choice: I want you to tell me how many people willingly choose to be victimized on a daily basis, to the point where they nearly choose to take their own life. Try and tell me Matthew Shepard decided "I'd like to be brutally murdered and left on a fence."

Furthermore, I don't mind if you hate gay people because of your religion. Honestly, that's what you were taught to believe and I'm not going to try and reverse years of you being taught to believe a certain thing. That's a major uphill battle.

However, I must implore you to stop trying to put that influence on a society that can and does exist independent of your religious beliefs. The consequences of religious bigotry are immense, and completely contradict the main point of Christianity, the point of it that I completely love, and it is love thy neighbor. By denying marriage equality, by denying equal rights, and by telling people that they are sinners, you, you personally, perpetuate the behavior of others - victimization, bullying, harassment, murder. People raised in a homophobic community that views gays as sub-human will have no problem treating them that way.

Whether or not you think it is sin, I know from personal experience, as a person who has been in a relationship with a man and a woman, can attest to the fact that love really is love. The emotion you feel towards your opposite sex husband or wife is no different, in any way, to the love I have felt to my girlfriends and will one day feel towards my wife (because marriage equality WILL happen. Society has been evolving to realize that it is the only proper way to go.) is no different.

I've had to deal with bullying, harassment, and people trying to convert me to being straight, both with religiously, and non-religiously justified reasons, but my story is nowhere near as horrible as what other GLBTQ kids have gone through. Sorry if I seem a bit short and disagreeable, but I don't really like to justify other peoples hatred when it affects me directly, and has led to the deaths of thousands of people.

Honestly, how can you want an honest answer but forbid talk of the bible if someone believes in the bible?

Because I would like to see other reasons as to why you or others are against it. Are you against it ONLY because the bible tells you it is wrong?

I don't have a problem with gay people, but gay people that wear wool and linen together... well those sinners disgust me. kidding lol
For Christians, the Bible is our foundation, whether or not non-Christians agree with that. So yes, there are some people who are against it only because it's in the Bible.

But that being said, I don't think it is ever okay to be mean and hateful to people - not just with gay people, but with anything - politics, religion, you name it. There is no chance for open, honest discussion if people aren't willing to listen, regardless of your stance on the topic.

This is how I feel. Whether I agree with it or not, I have NO right to judge anyone for it or spread the hatred that is already rampant in relation to this subject

Better put some sleeves on then.

Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together. (NIV, Deuteronomy 22:11)

I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:9-10)

I don't have a problem with gay people but the ones that wear wool and linen together are scumbag sinners.... kidding!

Seen a few post, and maybe it has been discussed already, but "homosexuals" are born that way. I guess not everyone took science in highschool or junior high. They cannot help falling in love with their own sex, as we can't help falling in love with the opposite sex. It is not an option they can choose. And I think it's rediculous some people actually believe they choose that lifestyle. Just goes to show how ignorant people really are and have been for centuries. And thats why this world is so messed up because some people have a small closed mind and can't except that people besides them are different. That goes for racism, sexism, and homosexuals. Hatred is evil and that is a sin my friends.

Straight couple pursuing adoption In vitro or Surrogancy Is fine...If its medically proven that you are sterile....that may very well be the case with me and my Husband and I proven so then we will do what we need to do to have a family...there's nothing wrong with those methods...If you cant procreate the natural way....

You have to be proven sterile before you can pursue adoption? What are you even thinking about?

I believe she meant for her personally, that is a decision she made for her self that she wants to try it natural but if it is proven that she can't have them natural then she will try IVF...she is saying she does not think there is anything wrong with it...but personally she wants to make sure she can not have them naturally first....Am I right Mrs. Fine?

Seen a few post, and maybe it has been discussed already, but "homosexuals" are born that way. I guess not everyone took science in highschool or junior high. They cannot help falling in love with their own sex, as we can't help falling in love with the opposite sex. It is not an option they can choose. And I think it's rediculous some people actually believe they choose that lifestyle. Just goes to show how ignorant people really are and have been for centuries. And thats why this world is so messed up because some people have a small closed mind and can't except that people besides them are different. That goes for racism, sexism, and homosexuals. Hatred is evil and that is a sin my friends.

THIS IS SO MISINFORMED. there is NO gay gene. this is one school of thought.

took science in high school, and in university, and if you were to ask my anthropology professor, who was openly gay....he was not BORN gay.


there is no evidence of a gay gene, please don't spew bs

edit for extra clarity: i am not saying people 'choose to be victimized', i am saying that like any other behaviours and desires, they grow with us. i don't think people are hardwired to being gay OR straight.

I took this statement off of a friend's status update and would really like some answers. I'm not trying to start a war but am interested to see what people will say..so here goes; "If you are anti-gay I want to know why, other than, "it's in the Bible"?

it can also harm the norm of a family where a child is raised by either two men or two women... the amount of abuse that child could receive is unfair, and it is hard for any child to not have a balance of having both a mom and a dad... just an honest answer.

I was going to stay out of this topic because I accept that you just cannot change a persons mind, especially on a forum, but this comment made my knee jerk so hard I practically gave myself a black eye. There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to prove that a child of a gay couple is more susceptible to abuse than a child of a straight couple. And as someone who has, briefly, worked in the child care field I can tell you that I saw PLENTY of straight people abusing their children.

Also, let's remember that any old straight couple could have a kid: a single one night stand and oops! She's pregnant and he's pissed and she knows her parents will kick her out if she comes home with a baby so now there's a child born into this world who gets left in a box at a fire station. Meanwhile, that gay couple who has been together for 17 years has put in another application to adopt and has been denied.

I'm not saying that ALL straight couples are bad parents and that ALL gay couples are good parents. What I'm saying is: there are good and bad parents of ALL orientations and being a good parent has nothing to do with what you do in the bedroom and EVERYTHING to do with how you treat your children.

Also, the 'balance' idea is complete BS. This is 2012, there are plenty of good, well-adjusted kids being raised in single-parent households nowadays (raises hand) and if one woman can do it by herself, then 2 men or 2 women can do just as good a job.

You didn't quite understand the previous comment before you got on your...Gigantic SOAP BOX......The comment was referring to the child of same sex parents becoming subject to teasing and abuse from other children....and let's be real...Bulling is a age old problem that ALL children will encounter at some point in their childhood....wether its being too fat,skinny,light dark,short,tall, freckles,glasses you name it some kid will encounter that type of peer abuse...why would anyone want to add GAY Parents to the list...beats me....If you want a child...get It the way it was intended....by copulation beteween a MAN & WOMAN.

So does that mean children whose parents have chosen not to care for them or are unable to should not be adopted? Because essentially that's what you are saying. The "acquisition" (please excuse the use of this word in this context) of a child via adoption means the adoptive parents have not "gotten it as intended" (your words not mine).

As for being gay, I don't believe it is any more a choice than it is to be attracted to someone with blue eyes or red hair or a funny personality. Attraction by definition is "the force by which one object attracts another". The physiological responses we have due to attraction is caused in part by the production of dopamine. Some of it is also due to mental and emotional responses we have when attracted to something/someone. This comprises the attributes, qualities, and things that, in our mind, we perceive are attractive. We form this paradigm in our minds, which over time becomes part of our emotions. When we see someone that meets our paradigm it triggers our subconscious mind and the attraction process begins with the release of dopamine. Everyone has a different paradigm of what he or she perceives is attractive. So essentially, the subconscious mind is what "tells" someone whether they like guys or girls. It's not a conscious "choice".

Seen a few post, and maybe it has been discussed already, but "homosexuals" are born that way. I guess not everyone took science in highschool or junior high. They cannot help falling in love with their own sex, as we can't help falling in love with the opposite sex. It is not an option they can choose. And I think it's rediculous some people actually believe they choose that lifestyle. Just goes to show how ignorant people really are and have been for centuries. And thats why this world is so messed up because some people have a small closed mind and can't except that people besides them are different. That goes for racism, sexism, and homosexuals. Hatred is evil and that is a sin my friends.

environmental factors are more at play outside of biology, just saying. i think they do have an effect, so i agree there. but i think once the baby is born the environment takes more effect.

THIS IS SO MISINFORMED. there is NO gay gene. this is one school of thought.

took science in high school, and in university, and if you were to ask my anthropology professor, who was openly gay....he was not BORN gay.


there is no evidence of a gay gene, please don't spew bs

There doesn't need to be a "gay" gene as such to be born gay. There are plenty of environmental factors that come into play when we're talking about how we're born.

What makes male or female (pardon the assumption of a binary gender system for a moment)? Chromosomes, right? More specifically, the father's contribution. So what caused that particular sperm to win? It wasn't a gene; it was most likely environmental, but obviously there is a genetic component to gender.

it totally didn't post my info. anyway, these are all schools of thought. i am all about non-gender normativity. and i think there are many many more factors outside of the womb that build us into who we are.

There is no such thing as a gay gene but there is evidence that sexual orientation and traits can be determined in utero.

Therefore people can literally be born (rather than conceived) gay.

Baby I was born this way....

There is no such thing as a gay gene but there is evidence that sexual orientation and traits can be determined in utero.

Therefore people can literally be born (rather than conceived) gay.

Baby I was born this way....

where is the research on this. i am willing to believe, i just haven't read anything that identifies this.

Yep...this!

I am not anti-gay. I am anti-sin, I don't approve of any sex between anyone that isn't husband and wife. That includes straight couples who aren't married. The only sex that is ok in God's eyes is between and husband and wife. Any other is sin, gay or not!

Phew, good thing God doesn't exist!

It also says in the bible that you should kill your children if they disobey you, so I think giving "because it's in the bible" as an answer for anything is a complete fallacy.

I have never figured out the anti-gay thing either. Why is someone's sex-life anyone else's business?

Where in the bible does it say "murder your children"?

There is no such thing as a gay gene but there is evidence that sexual orientation and traits can be determined in utero.

Therefore people can literally be born (rather than conceived) gay.

Baby I was born this way....

where is the research on this. i am willing to believe, i just haven't read anything that identifies this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm

I haven't read the study itself but I presume it is available on Google Scholar.

It also says in the bible that you should kill your children if they disobey you, so I think giving "because it's in the bible" as an answer for anything is a complete fallacy.

I have never figured out the anti-gay thing either. Why is someone's sex-life anyone else's business?

Where in the bible does it say "murder your children"?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

also, saying people are born gay is a way to normalize it for people.

it IS normal to be gay. but people feel they need to normalize it because of the hatred that is down through the ages. even animals have gay tendencies.

but, you can't tell me that saying..."they were born gay" isn't a way of trying to defend being gay.

if someone was to say, "i chose a gay lifestyle at 30" that they would be treated with as much respect.

just my observation, i don't think i am a scientist like many people lol

I shouldn't have to defend being Gay at all!

Trust me on this, there is NOTHING worse than being a kid of 13/14 years old, knowing that you're gay, trying to understand it and figuring out what it all means, and having to hide the fact from the people who are supposed to love you the most because you listen to your parents and their friends making snide jokes and comments about other family members or neighbours being gay, and being scared that you will be rejected for who and what you are. It is soul destroying.

I'm sorry that you had to go through this, people should feel supported no matter who they love.