guns or no guns?
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If there were no guns how would my family bond? And one person in that theater with a gun could have stopped that sicko before that many people died.
Not necessarily... unless the person was an incredibly good shot... because the psycho was wearing a bullet proof vest and a riot helmet....
Do you think said madman focusing on one person, instead of randomly shooting into a crowd of 150 is better or worse of a situation?
Also, regardless of body armor...taking a pistol round will hurt/break ribs/knock wind out ect. Body armor does not make you invincible.
I get that... and I agree... but I don't think the other shooter (if one was around because seriously, who thinks, "Man, I better take my gun to the movies... there might be some psycho shooting up the place tonight!") would have been able to take him out as many seem to suggest... even if he was a good shot, there would be high risk for collateral damage, with people trying to escape.
There is no such thing as collateral damage in this situation. EVERYONES life was in immediate danger at that point regardless of 1 shooter or two.0 -
Pro-gun
Blaming guns for people being shot is like blaming mcdonalds for getting fat
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Guns for sure.. It's crazey to think will will rid the world of murder and violence by making guns illegal, that was worked great on the war on drugs.
My brother was shot and killed by a crazey man with a gun.. If he had on (and yes he knew how to use one) he would still be alive.
Just saying it's all a bout who is holding the gun if its a violent murder a gun is not going to stop that or make it happen, That's like saying "Spoons made me Fat"0 -
I already stated PRO.OMG!!!! Coming from england jeeezzzz anti completely!! Alot of ppl are pro yet what has just happened am i missing something here ......
Lets see, one nutjob killed people. 40 million legal gun owners did not.
Someone stabbed a guy down the street with a steak knife last week, we should take steak knives away from everyone who uses them responsibly.
People kill people PERIOD0 -
Pro-gun0
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Pro gun.
In the same way I am pro-seatbelt.
I have them. They work well.
And I sincerly hope I never NEED to use them.
^^^This0 -
Pro-Gun0
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Pro-gun
Blaming guns for people being shot is like blaming mcdonalds for getting fat
Exactly
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To the people saying the Batman tradgedy would have turned out differently if someone had a gun on them, I think you're living in a movie. Seriously. This is real life, NOT a movie.
Like someone would have saved the day and shot him down, and all would have been okay. Oh, really?
How about, if his LEGALLY OBTAINED guns didn't exist or weren't sold to him, those people wouldn't have been killed, least not by bullets.0 -
Wishing violence away and for a more "evolved" citizenry is living in a fantasy world. Wake up! Human nature has not changed at all over thousands of years when it comes to committing violence. It's not going to change no matter how much you wish it would. Thinking otherwise is just foolishness.
Someone asked how a person could live with themselves after shooting someone that broke into their house. If they didn't shoot, maybe they wouldn't be alive to have to worry about their conscience. If someone wants to kill a person or kill a lot of people, they will figure out how do it regardless of the laws in place to protect people.
Crime rates where guns are outlawed are much higher than where they are legal. Parts of the US with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that areas that don't permit it. Violent criminals strongly support strict gun laws. Guns are an occupational hazard for them.
Just because you have not yet been a victim of a violent crime doesn't mean it will not happen to you or your family. Legally owned guns just level the playing field and give the prepared law-abiding citizen a fighting chance to survive until help arrives.
Apparently in England and Canada, people are just expected to tolerate their victimhood and do nothing about it. That's not how we roll in Texas.0 -
To the people saying the Batman tradgedy would have turned out differently if someone had a gun on them, I think you're living in a movie. Seriously. This is real life, NOT a movie.
Like someone would have saved the day and shot him down, and all would have been okay. Oh, really?
How about, if his LEGALLY OBTAINED guns didn't exist or weren't sold to him, those people wouldn't have been killed, least not by bullets.
If you've got a way to un-invent firearms and make them all disappear from the planet, by all means, use it. This is real life, not a movie.0 -
pro-gun0
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Pro.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Well...unless you're this guy:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/07/20120721-160820.html
derpa derp.
Restricting laws so that bullets or hand guns are banned isn't going to stop gun violence.
How many guns do you think are actually registered to the idiot gang members that are shooting up malls?
They're acquired illegally most likely.0 -
VERY PRO-GUN.....
Our founding fathers didn't use free speech to repel the British...They shot them.0 -
The stats say otherwise.Wishing violence away and for a more "evolved" citizenry is living in a fantasy world. Wake up! Human nature has not changed at all over thousands of years when it comes to committing violence. It's not going to change no matter how much you wish it would. Thinking otherwise is just foolishness.
Someone asked how a person could live with themselves after shooting someone that broke into their house. If they didn't shoot, maybe they wouldn't be alive to have to worry about their conscience. If someone wants to kill a person or kill a lot of people, they will figure out how do it regardless of the laws in place to protect people.
Crime rates where guns are outlawed are much higher than where they are legal. Parts of the US with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that areas that don't permit it. Violent criminals strongly support strict gun laws. Guns are an occupational hazard for them.
Just because you have not yet been a victim of a violent crime doesn't mean it will not happen to you or your family. Legally owned guns just level the playing field and give the prepared law-abiding citizen a fighting chance to survive until help arrives.
Apparently in England and Canada, people are just expected to tolerate their victimhood and do nothing about it. That's not how we roll in Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States0 -
Where I am (NZ), guns are mainly just used for hunters. Locked away safely unless hunting. Its not that common to find people who use them in the handbag or whatever for protection, I don't even know if that's allowed? I know you can have one with a licence but I am not sure of the restrictions.
I haven't been bought up where having a gun is the "norm" thing...or acceptable in the community to have one unless for hunting reasons .
So I am anti gun. I think it depends on what is "normal" for you and your country.0 -
Pro-gun
Blaming guns for people being shot is like blaming mcdonalds for getting fat
NO ONE here is blaming guns for ppl being shot, this is a very simple argument, along with the "let's ban knives and pencils" jokes0 -
To the people saying the Batman tradgedy would have turned out differently if someone had a gun on them, I think you're living in a movie. Seriously. This is real life, NOT a movie.
Like someone would have saved the day and shot him down, and all would have been okay. Oh, really?
How about, if his LEGALLY OBTAINED guns didn't exist or weren't sold to him, those people wouldn't have been killed, least not by bullets.
There are many accounts of people who have thwarted would be attackers/killers based on the ability to carry weapons. Its not a movie, you are right, however with proper training and a CCW this situation could have been toned down to the extent at which people lost their lives.
Wishing guns dont exist is like wishing Unicorns were real. Its fairy tale.
Guns do exist...criminals will ALWAYS have guns. Fact.0 -
Anti Guns.
Pro Evolution to a more civilized society, where people do not use guns on one another.
You realize that isn't why 99.9 percent of people own guns, right?0 -
What if a private citizen in the Aurora movie theatre was armed with a gun and started shooting back and adding to the chaos? How do law enforcement sort criminals from those just joining in because they have the right to bear arms?
The numbers change. That's what happens. Colorado witnessed that scenario a few years ago: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14808321/detail.html0 -
Pro POV gun
for all you hitchhikers guide fans!0 -
To the people saying the Batman tradgedy would have turned out differently if someone had a gun on them, I think you're living in a movie. Seriously. This is real life, NOT a movie.
Like someone would have saved the day and shot him down, and all would have been okay. Oh, really?
How about, if his LEGALLY OBTAINED guns didn't exist or weren't sold to him, those people wouldn't have been killed, least not by bullets.
You can't be serious. So you think that if James Holmes had been unable to buy his weapons at Bass Pro that he just would have said "well, maybe I won't commit this heinous crime after all. Probably going to be too much effort to find guns". Please. He just would have paid more and gotten even wilder ones from the underground dealers. He planned this for several years. You are being really naive.0 -
The stats say otherwise.Wishing violence away and for a more "evolved" citizenry is living in a fantasy world. Wake up! Human nature has not changed at all over thousands of years when it comes to committing violence. It's not going to change no matter how much you wish it would. Thinking otherwise is just foolishness.
Someone asked how a person could live with themselves after shooting someone that broke into their house. If they didn't shoot, maybe they wouldn't be alive to have to worry about their conscience. If someone wants to kill a person or kill a lot of people, they will figure out how do it regardless of the laws in place to protect people.
Crime rates where guns are outlawed are much higher than where they are legal. Parts of the US with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that areas that don't permit it. Violent criminals strongly support strict gun laws. Guns are an occupational hazard for them.
Just because you have not yet been a victim of a violent crime doesn't mean it will not happen to you or your family. Legally owned guns just level the playing field and give the prepared law-abiding citizen a fighting chance to survive until help arrives.
Apparently in England and Canada, people are just expected to tolerate their victimhood and do nothing about it. That's not how we roll in Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
The majority of them are drug related, not gun related. Misleading.0 -
I've got an idea, how about you do some research on comparative crime rates in nations which don't have legal gun ownership then get back to me.To the people saying the Batman tradgedy would have turned out differently if someone had a gun on them, I think you're living in a movie. Seriously. This is real life, NOT a movie.
Like someone would have saved the day and shot him down, and all would have been okay. Oh, really?
How about, if his LEGALLY OBTAINED guns didn't exist or weren't sold to him, those people wouldn't have been killed, least not by bullets.
There are many accounts of people who have thwarted would be attackers/killers based on the ability to carry weapons. Its not a movie, you are right, however with proper training and a CCW this situation could have been toned down to the extent at which people lost their lives.
Wishing guns dont exist is like wishing Unicorns were real. Its fairy tale.
Guns do exist...criminals will ALWAYS have guns. Fact.0 -
Apparently in England and Canada, people are just expected to tolerate their victimhood and do nothing about it. That's not how we roll in Texas.
It's not quite that simple, but you're closer to the truth than I would like. Self-defense / weapons laws in Canada are insane. Even if someone has already introduced deadly force, if I were to pull, say, a Swiss-Army knife out of my pocket (perfectly legal tool to carry around, even "concealed"), use it in self-defense and the other guy died, I'd probably go to prison for some sort of murder and weapons-related charges.
It's one of the reasons I've decided to make martial arts training part of my fitness program now. It'll take years, and still never be as effective as if I could just use a pistol, but at least I'll be doing something to improve our chances of survival, should the worst happen.0 -
Pro-Gun, signed a pistol packin' momma0
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The stats say otherwise.Wishing violence away and for a more "evolved" citizenry is living in a fantasy world. Wake up! Human nature has not changed at all over thousands of years when it comes to committing violence. It's not going to change no matter how much you wish it would. Thinking otherwise is just foolishness.
Someone asked how a person could live with themselves after shooting someone that broke into their house. If they didn't shoot, maybe they wouldn't be alive to have to worry about their conscience. If someone wants to kill a person or kill a lot of people, they will figure out how do it regardless of the laws in place to protect people.
Crime rates where guns are outlawed are much higher than where they are legal. Parts of the US with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that areas that don't permit it. Violent criminals strongly support strict gun laws. Guns are an occupational hazard for them.
Just because you have not yet been a victim of a violent crime doesn't mean it will not happen to you or your family. Legally owned guns just level the playing field and give the prepared law-abiding citizen a fighting chance to survive until help arrives.
Apparently in England and Canada, people are just expected to tolerate their victimhood and do nothing about it. That's not how we roll in Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
The majority of them are drug related, not gun related. Misleading.
How about this one.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
US Average - 2.84 per 100,000.
Texas - 3.14. per 100,000
Washington - 1.38 per 100,000
New York - 2.64.per 100,00
UK - 0.07 per 100,000.
Care to admit you are totally wrong?0 -
Pro.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Well...unless you're this guy:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/07/20120721-160820.html
derpa derp.
Restricting laws so that bullets or hand guns are banned isn't going to stop gun violence.
How many guns do you think are actually registered to the idiot gang members that are shooting up malls?
They're acquired illegally most likely.
This^^.
Pro-gun Libertarian here.
Being anti-gun is to give the government a monopoly on the usage of guns.0 -
Guns don't kill people, people kill people! PRO-GUN!!0
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