Juice Cleanse
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Starvation mode is a myth.@christinev297 On the juice I only lost a couple pounds,which I expected little to none since it was after the master cleanse where I lost 10lbs in 10 days. I don't consider that permanent weight loss though. You do truly put your body into starvation mode where it gains it's fuel from the energy and nutrients stored in your fat and muscle tissue. Once you're eat again your body is going to want to start storing fat in case you're going to be starving again soon. It won't surprise me if I gain a little weight this week due to eating more foods.
I do believe the only way to permanent long term weight loss is by slowly losing weight through a healthy nutritious diet and regular exercise. My goal was to cleanse my taste buds and nip all my unhealthy cravings in the bud. And fasting REALLY helped with that. I can even be around family eating the foods I used to eat and not crave them. I'm enjoying cooking with ingredients and foods I never thought to eat before - like the spinach soup I had yesterday with my dinner. It was seasoned with fresh parsley, cilantro, onion and roasted garlic. The cream base was ground raw cashews and no oils were used in the cooking. It was absolutely delicious!
My family even likes the vegan food I cook and I let them eat as much of it as they want but I refuse to cook their non-vegan food. That they can do that themselves.
You can't see my weight loss on my profile because I had a lousy old bathroom spring scale which I just recently replaced with a digital scale. I've reset all my weight goals and now that I'm no longer fasting this is really where the new diet and real weight loss begins. The fast was simply my launching pad.
Consciously choosing to lose muscle mass? Insanity.
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He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
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@jkwolly I agree the United States would be much better of with national healthcare. I've been advocating for single-payer since the Clinton administration. Under a capitalist healthcare system the game is rigged in the house's favor. Sickness equals profits. Health equal loss and unfortunately American marketing leans towards promoting an unhealthy diet. If healthcare was socialized it would be much more focused on nutrition and prevention. This is one area where I think my nation is really backwards.
@nakedraygun Yes you can reprogram your taste buds. You can acquire tastes for things you did not like before. Food rich in sodium, sugar and fat tend to desensitize our taste buds to whole foods because they are rich and their flavors overwhelm the palate.
And to the one that said there is no possible physical benefit to juice fasting I have to disagree, especially having just done one. I feel really great.
If anyone wants to have support through juice fasting or going vegan feel free to message and friend me.
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He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
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That sounds like basic old acquiring a taste, a liking to something, not "reprogramming." Why interject this misleading language? Oh because it sounds like you are doing something.@nakedraygun Yes you can reprogram your taste buds. You can acquire tastes for things you did not like before.
This is the part where I ask you for evidence.Food rich in sodium, sugar and fat tend to desensitize our taste buds to whole foods because they are rich and their flavors overwhelm the palate.
All the skeptics have said this is a bad idea, which means there is no long term, sustainable benefit from juice fasting.And to the one that said there is no possible physical benefit to juice fasting I have to disagree, especially having just done one. I feel really great.
All you have done is reduced your caloric intake to a sudden, extreme deficit without rounding your other macro needs. Nothing can be gained through malnutrition, muscle loss, and then eventually failing to meet your goal weight.
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Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
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terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Oh look, another passive aggressive yet attempting to be insulting blanket statement.
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@JacquiH73 your feelings are not a substitute for science.0
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Unless you are bathing in a tub of juice, the answer is NO.0
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No one here thinks Veganism isn't healthy, eat what works for you.A fast, like everything else including what you are going to have for breakfast tomorrow, is a personal choice. If you decide to do it you definitely want online support from a forum for people who juice. I find the majority of people react to fasting much as they react to veganism. No meat and dairy? It must not possibly be healthy for you. But most vegans are really healthy. No solid food for a short temporary period of time? It can't possibly be healthy.
Do a fast/cleanse if you want to, but the ONLY added benefits would be spiritually. It does nothing to your body that your body can't already do.
Holy shiz this was epic. This is also why I love being Canadian.Medical opinions vary from doctor to doctor. Doctors to me are like mechanics, it's hard to find one you can trust. Did I really need that surgery or did doc just need a new Mercedes Benz?
This is my experience of the medical system in the United States of America. I have a pain or illness. I tell my symptoms to, as well as get weighed and checked over by a nurse. The doctor comes in and prescribes me some pills. Usually ones I can't afford so I have to call him back and ask for a different prescription. Then either a) the drug chemically makes me feel better or placebo effect and I feel better. Life goes on. Or b) Medicine does not help because doc misdiagnosed my condition. He sends me off to a specialists who sends me for tests, who then prescribes me another pill and then the cycle repeats. In meantime a bill for $5,000 sit at my door. I avoid docs like the plague. Most of my illnesses can be ascribed to stress and diet and I don't need a $5,000 bill to tell me that. If I'm truly drop down on the floor suffering I will seek medical attention, as for everything else I tend to my own health and mending.
A. Mostly no "fear mongering" that the government is out to get me re: healthcare or fake drugs.
Also, yes here Doctors are rich, but we trust them to actually want to help us (for the most part).
B. Everything is effin "free". Pretty sure most Americans would change their uneducated opinions if they had the option of free health care.
But, it's usually "ZOMG NO, DON'T TAX ME TO TAKE CARE OF OTHERS".
I'm sorry but I'm furthest from uneducated when it comes to that subject. You calling us uneducated in a blanket statement like that is pretty ignorant of you. If I had the choice of having the socialist mentality applied to to us here I would pass on it. I don't need everything to be free. I work hard and earn what I get. I also like not having to wait 6 months to get an MRI.
It's not my job to take care of others. However, we do, through Medicaid but as an adult it's your job to earn what you get. We are not equals. You get what you put into life.
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Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
You are required to have insurance in the US, and if you can't afford it it's subsidised so there is that now.
I'd be interested to find out how much more I'd need to pay in taxes vs. my small premium for free healthcare for all. I mean, I already live in one of the highest taxed states where people can live off of state provided welfare their entire lives and don't need to be actively seeking work, so when it comes to raising taxes, I am quite interested.0 -
Interesting, is that within the past couple years with it being mandatory?
Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
You are required to have insurance in the US, and if you can't afford it it's subsidised so there is that now.
I'd be interested to find out how much more I'd need to pay in taxes vs. my small premium for free healthcare for all. I mean, I already live in one of the highest taxed states where people can live off of state provided welfare their entire lives and don't need to be actively seeking work, so when it comes to raising taxes, I am quite interested.
Do you know what you're taxed at currently?
This is what we have:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
Federal and Provincial basically puts me at 40%.
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Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
You are required to have insurance in the US, and if you can't afford it it's subsidised so there is that now.
I'd be interested to find out how much more I'd need to pay in taxes vs. my small premium for free healthcare for all. I mean, I already live in one of the highest taxed states where people can live off of state provided welfare their entire lives and don't need to be actively seeking work, so when it comes to raising taxes, I am quite interested.
Taxes are not much higher in the UK than in the US, because the US spends so much money on military. In fact, for some in the UK (it depends on being married, children etc) taxes are lower. This also applies to other countries with a national health service. The Czech Republic, for example, have pretty low taxes but a national health service.0 -
Interesting, is that within the past couple years with it being mandatory?
Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
You are required to have insurance in the US, and if you can't afford it it's subsidised so there is that now.
I'd be interested to find out how much more I'd need to pay in taxes vs. my small premium for free healthcare for all. I mean, I already live in one of the highest taxed states where people can live off of state provided welfare their entire lives and don't need to be actively seeking work, so when it comes to raising taxes, I am quite interested.
Do you know what you're taxed at currently?
This is what we have:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
Federal and Provincial basically puts me at 40%.
This is the first year of the requirement. I think it has been a giant cluster.
State and Federal -- ~20%.
If I add in my medical insurance it would be ~30%
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diannethegeek wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »jenna80302 wrote: »I find that periodically juice fasting (smoothies, cold pressed juices, bone broth, bieler broth, and raw or lightly steamed vegetables) is a great way to get yourself back on track especially after a binge. Granted, I already eat an EXTREMELY clean diet (no gluten, dairy, soy, eggs, caffeine, alcohol, corn, refined sugar, nightshades, etc. etc.) and have been doing so for some time. When you cleanse it is a time to take a break and heal your body, to take a nap and relax, and ride out your emotions. I would recommend doing a two day juice fast at most, and if your diet isn't already dialed you will feel like CRAP, so try a transition day or two before hand and afterwords. Also, purchase a juicer or blender instead of purchasing cold pressed juices from a delivery service. This will be beneficial because 1) the juices are fresher and most likely less processed, and 2) you will save oodles of money. Also, take activated charcoal to help grab those free radicals that will be released.
Juice fasting is an enlightening and powerful cleansing experience, it is NOT a quick fix solution for weight lose. Please, Please, Please consider cutting out Gluten, Refined Sugar, caffeine, soy, eggs, and dairy before attempting this. It will alleviate any withdrawal symptoms you may experience (you will definitely experience symptoms).
Please note that I am not a certified dietician or a doctor, I just know what helps me... and juice fasting does.
I'll bet you're fun at parties.
As long as you keep the tomatoes and peppers off their hors d oeuvres. Because nightshades.
I just put out troughs of soylent at parties. Problem solved, everyone is happy!
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Interesting, is that within the past couple years with it being mandatory?
Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
You are required to have insurance in the US, and if you can't afford it it's subsidised so there is that now.
I'd be interested to find out how much more I'd need to pay in taxes vs. my small premium for free healthcare for all. I mean, I already live in one of the highest taxed states where people can live off of state provided welfare their entire lives and don't need to be actively seeking work, so when it comes to raising taxes, I am quite interested.
Do you know what you're taxed at currently?
This is what we have:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
Federal and Provincial basically puts me at 40%.
This is the first year of the requirement. I think it has been a giant cluster.
State and Federal -- ~20%.
If I add in my medical insurance it would be ~30%
I'm currious about one thing. How is your coverage? One of the people on my FL said she would have to pay out of pocket $1K for an MRI. Do you have complete coverage or do you have extra billing?0 -
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@jkwolly I agree the United States would be much better of with national healthcare. I've been advocating for single-payer since the Clinton administration. Under a capitalist healthcare system the game is rigged in the house's favor. Sickness equals profits. Health equal loss and unfortunately American marketing leans towards promoting an unhealthy diet. If healthcare was socialized it would be much more focused on nutrition and prevention. This is one area where I think my nation is really backwards.
This statement is not true. Everything else would still be marketing based, so companies would still try and sell their products. We'd still see commercials for McDonald's and Cocoa Puffs as well as commercials for Nutribullets and Treadclimbers.
Capitalists gonna capitalate.
Also, Canada has socialized healthcare and they still have poutine.0 -
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »@jkwolly I agree the United States would be much better of with national healthcare. I've been advocating for single-payer since the Clinton administration. Under a capitalist healthcare system the game is rigged in the house's favor. Sickness equals profits. Health equal loss and unfortunately American marketing leans towards promoting an unhealthy diet. If healthcare was socialized it would be much more focused on nutrition and prevention. This is one area where I think my nation is really backwards.
This statement is not true. Everything else would still be marketing based, so companies would still try and sell their products. We'd still see commercials for McDonald's and Cocoa Puffs as well as commercials for Nutribullets and Treadclimbers.
Capitalists gonna capitalate.**
Also, Canada has socialized healthcare and they still have [/b]poutine.****[/b]
** I love me some Capitalism.
**** Ewwww
Oh, come on man! It's fries with cheese curds and gravy! Can you say bulk? 0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »@jkwolly I agree the United States would be much better of with national healthcare. I've been advocating for single-payer since the Clinton administration. Under a capitalist healthcare system the game is rigged in the house's favor. Sickness equals profits. Health equal loss and unfortunately American marketing leans towards promoting an unhealthy diet. If healthcare was socialized it would be much more focused on nutrition and prevention. This is one area where I think my nation is really backwards.
This statement is not true. Everything else would still be marketing based, so companies would still try and sell their products. We'd still see commercials for McDonald's and Cocoa Puffs as well as commercials for Nutribullets and Treadclimbers.
Capitalists gonna capitalate.**
Also, Canada has socialized healthcare and they still have [/b]poutine.****[/b]
** I love me some Capitalism.
**** Ewwww
Hey, me too! I like having choices.
Also, I've never had poutine, but I will at least try it someday. Gravy on mashed potatoes is great, so gravy on french fried potatoes must be good, too, right?0 -
Is it me or did this thread get derailed?
And Obamacare is a train wreck. FTR.0 -
redheaddee wrote: »Is it me or did this thread get derailed?
We will pause as we try to retieve this thread from the dumpster fire.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »@jkwolly I agree the United States would be much better of with national healthcare. I've been advocating for single-payer since the Clinton administration. Under a capitalist healthcare system the game is rigged in the house's favor. Sickness equals profits. Health equal loss and unfortunately American marketing leans towards promoting an unhealthy diet. If healthcare was socialized it would be much more focused on nutrition and prevention. This is one area where I think my nation is really backwards.
This statement is not true. Everything else would still be marketing based, so companies would still try and sell their products. We'd still see commercials for McDonald's and Cocoa Puffs as well as commercials for Nutribullets and Treadclimbers.
Capitalists gonna capitalate.**
Also, Canada has socialized healthcare and they still have [/b]poutine.****[/b]
** I love me some Capitalism.
**** Ewwww
Oh, come on man! It's fries with cheese curds and gravy! Can you say bulk?
But I'll bet you eat hot dogs!0 -
So. Facking. Good.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »@jkwolly I agree the United States would be much better of with national healthcare. I've been advocating for single-payer since the Clinton administration. Under a capitalist healthcare system the game is rigged in the house's favor. Sickness equals profits. Health equal loss and unfortunately American marketing leans towards promoting an unhealthy diet. If healthcare was socialized it would be much more focused on nutrition and prevention. This is one area where I think my nation is really backwards.
This statement is not true. Everything else would still be marketing based, so companies would still try and sell their products. We'd still see commercials for McDonald's and Cocoa Puffs as well as commercials for Nutribullets and Treadclimbers.
Capitalists gonna capitalate.**
Also, Canada has socialized healthcare and they still have [/b]poutine.****[/b]
** I love me some Capitalism.
**** Ewwww
Hey, me too! I like having choices.
Also, I've never had poutine, but I will at least try it someday. Gravy on mashed potatoes is great, so gravy on french fried potatoes must be good, too, right?
And it's not just cheese, but cheese CURDS that make it winning.0 -
Also curious about this!Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
Interesting, is that within the past couple years with it being mandatory?
Seems like it's on both sides.
He was referring to Canada, where we do have longer waits than UK/Scandinavian countries, but it's still over blown and really not that terrible.terricherry2 wrote: »A bit off topic (sorry OP) but after reading opinions from presumably people from the US, I have to say that you generally sound like many of you have been seriously misinformed about state health care in socialist countries. In the UK (where I am) I've never had to wait 6 months to see a specialist, as several people have stated. If we want a second opinion we are entitled to get one, or even ten if we choose! We can also choose where and who to be treated by and are treated according to urgency rather than how much money we have. And as statistically one of the top healthcare systems in the world (clinical outcomes, quality of care etc) although there is always room for improvement, our per capita spend on healthcare is still around 10% of what the US spends.
Apologies, I don't have the links to hand for you to read this yourselves. But I would have thought that in a highly educated western country, more people would question the scare mongering tactics of those relying on the biggest money making industry you have for thier millions, when they tell you how social healthcare provision would take you back to the dark ages.
And for those essentially saying it's every man for themselves, I hope you are never in the unfortunate position of being unable to provide for yourselves and your families through no fault of your own like so many others.
Can't argue opinions though, as his is basically opposite of how you and I feel. Guess to each their own but I am just glad I am where I am.
Car accident and I am in a comma? YAY for not having to re mortgage your house.
$5K to save for having a baby? Nopers, just pop it out!
And.........apparently there's misinformation abound.
I meant if I had no insurance. Or feel free to let me know if that's wrong?!
You are required to have insurance in the US, and if you can't afford it it's subsidised so there is that now.
I'd be interested to find out how much more I'd need to pay in taxes vs. my small premium for free healthcare for all. I mean, I already live in one of the highest taxed states where people can live off of state provided welfare their entire lives and don't need to be actively seeking work, so when it comes to raising taxes, I am quite interested.
Do you know what you're taxed at currently?
This is what we have:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
Federal and Provincial basically puts me at 40%.
This is the first year of the requirement. I think it has been a giant cluster.
State and Federal -- ~20%.
If I add in my medical insurance it would be ~30%
I'm currious about one thing. How is your coverage? One of the people on my FL said she would have to pay out of pocket $1K for an MRI. Do you have complete coverage or do you have extra billing?
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I myself don't buy into the whole juice cleanse thing. While they may provide some nutritional value, they virtually do nothing to help in weight loss. You are better off eating real food rather than condensing it to liquid. I think for myself, if I just had some sort of juice thing, I would be going to the cabinet or refrigerator to get something to eat because I would be left feeling hungry in an hour.0
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