Can I petition MFP users to use the terms "more ideal" and "less ideal" instead of good/bad foods?
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No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I disagree. Certain foods just aren't good for you on a regular basis.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I disagree. Certain foods just aren't good for you on a regular basis.
Such as?
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I disagree. Certain foods just aren't good for you on a regular basis.
Finally, we're going to get a list of bad foods.
Go on...0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I agree...it takes being quite vocal about things like science and facts to drown out the steady stream of voo-doo nutrition posted by other members.
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I disagree. Certain foods just aren't good for you on a regular basis.
Finally, we're going to get a list of bad foods.
Go on...
I like your optimism
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I disagree. Certain foods just aren't good for you on a regular basis.
Finally, we're going to get a list of bad foods.
Go on...
my magic eight ball says....
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I agree...it takes being quite vocal about things like science and facts to drown out the steady stream of voo-doo nutrition posted by other members.
The vocal part I've seen. The science and facts.... maybe there's a virus on my computer that isn't displaying those posts.... damn viruses.
So, this response instead of the list of foods I shouldn't eat on a regular basis even if I'm able to work them into my daily macro, micro, and calorie goals?0 -
The dose makes the poison-Paracelsus0
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RealFoodisGood wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I agree...it takes being quite vocal about things like science and facts to drown out the steady stream of voo-doo nutrition posted by other members.
The vocal part I've seen. The science and facts.... maybe there's a virus on my computer that isn't displaying those posts.... damn viruses.
So, this response instead of the list of foods I shouldn't eat on a regular basis even if I'm able to work them into my daily macro, micro, and calorie goals?
You asked that of someone else. I never said that I would provide you with that list. I never said that I would provide you with anything.
I was the one asking the members of the forum a question.
My deepest apologies. I was too eager for that list and wasn't paying attention to who I was responding too. I'm really sorry.
Other dude! Still waiting for that list over here!0 -
bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
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tincanonastring wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
No, everyone does not agree with that. There is a very vocal of people on this site that does though.RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
I agree...it takes being quite vocal about things like science and facts to drown out the steady stream of voo-doo nutrition posted by other members.
The vocal part I've seen. The science and facts.... maybe there's a virus on my computer that isn't displaying those posts.... damn viruses.
So, this response instead of the list of foods I shouldn't eat on a regular basis even if I'm able to work them into my daily macro, micro, and calorie goals?
You asked that of someone else. I never said that I would provide you with that list. I never said that I would provide you with anything.
I was the one asking the members of the forum a question.
My deepest apologies. I was too eager for that list and wasn't paying attention to who I was responding too. I'm really sorry.
Other dude! Still waiting for that list over here!
Your excitement is understandable. I'm literally on the edge of my seat.
This giddy feeling reminds me of the many times since I joined MFP when I thought I was finally going to have an answer to the question of what toxins a dietary cleanse eliminates from the body that aren't otherwise eliminated without the cleanse.
(edit: Times when. Places where. Things that. Dammit, jof! You're better than that! Keep your head in the game.)0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »I 100% support this post/idea! It drives me nuts to see people give food labels such as "good" and "bad". Obviously we all know that there are certain foods that are more optimal as far as nutrition and vitamin content and that promote more weight loss, but at the end of the day ALL food can fit into a balanced meal plan. Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it!
Does everyone agree with this post? At first glance, my guess is that a lot of people do. Sorry if I'm wrong. If indeed this is a reflection of the MFP crowd, how did you come to adopt this mindset?
Especially this:
"Your body will still break those foods you label "bad" down and use the nutrients in them for energy and vital body functions. Food is just food. It is not good or bad, it is what it is and your body knows what to do with it! "
Is there evidence that this is the case? Is there scientific rationale for this? If so, I would like to be pointed towards that evidence.
You...you want evidence that the body will break down "less ideal" food? I think I'm not allowed to post poo pictures on here.
Aw... crap (see what I did there?) Yours is probably nice and colorful and sparkly from all the Peeps.
You'd think so, right? No. I have to add the glitter post production.
There's pills that take care of that.0 -
bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
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I think I'm going to call food "American food" and "less American food." Maybe things with trans fats can be "non-American food."
American foods are foods I like, even when they are French cheeses or Swiss chocolates or Belgian fries with aioli. And of course good apple pie. Less American foods are foods I don't like, like canned tuna and Wonder bread and Turkish delight.
I realize this may be entirely confusing to everyone else, but plenty of people seem not to care that no one else knows what they mean by "bad food," so I think my system is better. Maybe even "more ideal!"0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I think I'm going to call food "American food" and "less American food." Maybe things with trans fats can be "non-American food."
American foods are foods I like, even when they are French cheeses or Swiss chocolates or Belgian fries with aioli. And of course good apple pie. Less American foods are foods I don't like, like canned tuna and Wonder bread and Turkish delight.
I realize this may be entirely confusing to everyone else, but plenty of people seem not to care that no one else knows what they mean by "bad food," so I think my system is better. Maybe even "more ideal!"
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Alas it's only 10am, no one will bring me pizza at 10am
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Can you really call any reasoning that ends at "order a pizza" terrible? I would suggest no.0 -
Here you go, Nony! I added the special topping to cleanse you from the bad sugar in your coffee.
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tincanonastring wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Can you really call any reasoning that ends at "order a pizza" terrible? I would suggest no.
I'm a logical purist.
To be clear, I'm not arguing that her reasoning was "bad" or that she should stop using it...
...just that how she got from point A to point B was problematic for me.
But I am certainly willing to overlook this affront to sound logic entirely...because pizza.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Alas it's only 10am, no one will bring me pizza at 10am
That 24 hour pizza delivery is not a thing vexes me.
edit: Wow. That sentence could not have been more poorly constructed to be any more ambiguous. What I meant was:
The fact that 24 hour pizza delivery is not a common thing is something that vexes me.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Can you really call any reasoning that ends at "order a pizza" terrible? I would suggest no.
I'm a logical purist.
To be clear, I'm not arguing that her reasoning was "bad" or that she should stop using it...
...just that how she got from point A to point B was problematic for me.
But I am certainly willing to overlook this affront to sound logic entirely...because pizza.
So, her logic was less ideal while the outcome was most ideal? Interesting.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Alas it's only 10am, no one will bring me pizza at 10am
That 24 hour pizza delivery is not a thing vexes me.
Again with the business ideas Jof... sometimes you just have to grab the bull by the horns and go for it.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Here you go, Nony! I added the special topping to cleanse you from the bad sugar in your coffee.
You are my hero
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Alas it's only 10am, no one will bring me pizza at 10am
That 24 hour pizza delivery is not a thing vexes me.
Again with the business ideas Jof... sometimes you just have to grab the bull by the horns and go for it.
I'm not sure it's viable outside of an urban environment. My buddy owns a shop in suburbia with a ton of apartment complexes in the delivery area and is scheduled to stay open and delivering to midnight. If the call comes in at 11:59, the food goes out with the driver to be delivered on his or her way home. Not only that, he has a liquor license and can deliver beer with the food. And he has awesome, tasty, yummy craft beer...lots of them. And wine!
With all that going for him, the huge customer base, the pizza, the late hours, delivery of freakin' beer and wine with said pizza in the late pm hours- seriously, how awesome is it that you could be at a party at quarter to midnight and order 3 pizzas with case and a half of beer to be delivered?! - even with all that, he often closes by 10 due to lack of calls. It's expensive to man a pizza shop.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dammit, so if I hadn't added a bit of sugar to the coffee I'm currently drinking it would have been good, but because I did it's bad and I've completely derailed my weight loss efforts?? Guess I may as well just go ahead and order a pizza then
Your reasoning is terrible, but your conclusion is sound.
Can you really call any reasoning that ends at "order a pizza" terrible? I would suggest no.
I'm a logical purist.
To be clear, I'm not arguing that her reasoning was "bad" or that she should stop using it...
...just that how she got from point A to point B was problematic for me.
But I am certainly willing to overlook this affront to sound logic entirely...because pizza.
Absolutely no logical was used in coming to my conclusion, because that would have involved there being such a thing as 'bad food' 0
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