Can I petition MFP users to use the terms "more ideal" and "less ideal" instead of good/bad foods?
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And round and round and round it goes...
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »
If that color coded spice rack works for one chances are it'll work for someone else -- or any other nonsensical advice or system. I trust the people reading to be adults capable of making those sorts of decisions for themselves.jofjltncb6 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »
Too prissy.lemurcat12 wrote: »I prefer the more blunt terminology for foods. It removes the guess work and tends to make less ideal food choices less acceptable. Rather than say "That food may not be ideal for assisting you in reaching your health goals in a timely manner." I say "If I eat this crap my arteries will harden like granite and my buttocks will expand like the US deficit."
But then when it doesn't happen you might stop believing your lies and stop caring.
Whereas when I say "not great choice given your goals," you can focus on making better choices.
Too logical?
Good. Bad. Done.
But lots of things are "good" to a point but not in excess. Your simplistic categories don't account for that. Calling "good" only things you would never overeat (like broccoli) seems a little silly. Steak is good even if I sometimes wouldn't mind eating more than really makes sense. (Arguably, that it's good is demonstrated by the fact that I wouldn't mind eating more than I should on occasion.)
Honestly, I just think you take this a lot more seriously than I do. Or maybe you're more process driven than I am. It's food; a simple classification system gets the job done for a lot of people including me. There's nothing silly about a reasonably varied and nutritious diet no matter how you get there, IMO.
I don't think the argument is so much how any *one* person classifies what they eat, but more how they advise and influence others.
I mean, if I want to sort my spice cabinet by color, that's fine...totally my business and my business alone...but if I start telling others that not to sort it their spices by color is wrong and I can't believe how they would be so self-detrimental as to not sort their spices by color and they must not love their bodies cooking if they don't sort them by color...
...and now imagine if humans inherently brought some real hang-ups with their spice cabinets into this discussion (as they tend to do with food)...well, you have an environment where that kind of behavior would be dissuaded by the general population in the MySpicePal forums.
All of the mocking and pig piling on people for sharing an unpopular approach really can't be justified, IMO.
If you believe the mocking is one-sided, I contend that your bias is showing. And what you see as "pig piling" is inevitable when a minority group vocally and consistently calls something the majority group do "eating crap" and "damaging their bodies" and other accusations especially when they're apparently unfounded.
And an application of your "adults capable" comment seems to be at odds with their ability to fend for themselves; make their own rational, logical, supportable arguments; and other seemingly adult-like behavior.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »And round and round and round it goes...
It truly is unfortunate that MFP requires members to continue reading threads once interest has been lost. If there was one thing I could change about MFP, it would be that.
Well, and the search feature. And the notification system. And navigation buttons in the in-app browser. And the jail bars covering text in the in-app browser. And pictures covering the "quote" button on the PC browser. And the accuracy of the database. And the hijacking from accidentally (or intentionally) clicking a profile name in a mobile browser. And the flag system. And the ticker for those with a GW > SW or CW. And the problems with uploading a new profile pic from the app. And the inability to see your message/FR counter from the forum side. And a dozen other things.
But mostly, the thing I mentioned in the first paragraph up there.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »And round and round and round it goes...
It truly is unfortunate that MFP requires members to continue reading threads once interest has been lost. If there was one thing I could change about MFP, it would be that.
Well, and the search feature. And the notification system. And navigation buttons in the in-app browser. And the jail bars covering text in the in-app browser. And pictures covering the "quote" button on the PC browser. And the accuracy of the database. And the hijacking from accidentally (or intentionally) clicking a profile name in a mobile browser. And the flag system. And the ticker for those with a GW > SW or CW. And the problems with uploading a new profile pic from the app. And the inability to see your message/FR counter from the forum side. And a dozen other things.
But mostly, the thing I mentioned in the first paragraph up there.
Ah, but see I only just got bored, what with the new people coming in and repeating the 'bad/crap' foods mantra and starting the cycle all over again
Also, it could get interesting again. Who knows!!0 -
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Even though I trust that everyone participating is capable of fending for themselves I don't think participating on a diet and nutrition forum should be a "fend for themselves" environment.jofjltncb6 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »
If that color coded spice rack works for one chances are it'll work for someone else -- or any other nonsensical advice or system. I trust the people reading to be adults capable of making those sorts of decisions for themselves.jofjltncb6 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »
Too prissy.lemurcat12 wrote: »I prefer the more blunt terminology for foods. It removes the guess work and tends to make less ideal food choices less acceptable. Rather than say "That food may not be ideal for assisting you in reaching your health goals in a timely manner." I say "If I eat this crap my arteries will harden like granite and my buttocks will expand like the US deficit."
But then when it doesn't happen you might stop believing your lies and stop caring.
Whereas when I say "not great choice given your goals," you can focus on making better choices.
Too logical?
Good. Bad. Done.
But lots of things are "good" to a point but not in excess. Your simplistic categories don't account for that. Calling "good" only things you would never overeat (like broccoli) seems a little silly. Steak is good even if I sometimes wouldn't mind eating more than really makes sense. (Arguably, that it's good is demonstrated by the fact that I wouldn't mind eating more than I should on occasion.)
Honestly, I just think you take this a lot more seriously than I do. Or maybe you're more process driven than I am. It's food; a simple classification system gets the job done for a lot of people including me. There's nothing silly about a reasonably varied and nutritious diet no matter how you get there, IMO.
I don't think the argument is so much how any *one* person classifies what they eat, but more how they advise and influence others.
I mean, if I want to sort my spice cabinet by color, that's fine...totally my business and my business alone...but if I start telling others that not to sort it their spices by color is wrong and I can't believe how they would be so self-detrimental as to not sort their spices by color and they must not love their bodies cooking if they don't sort them by color...
...and now imagine if humans inherently brought some real hang-ups with their spice cabinets into this discussion (as they tend to do with food)...well, you have an environment where that kind of behavior would be dissuaded by the general population in the MySpicePal forums.
All of the mocking and pig piling on people for sharing an unpopular approach really can't be justified, IMO.
If you believe the mocking is one-sided, I contend that your bias is showing. And what you see as "pig piling" is inevitable when a minority group vocally and consistently calls something the majority group do "eating crap" and "damaging their bodies" and other accusations especially when they're apparently unfounded.
And an application of your "adults capable" comment seems to be at odds with their ability to fend for themselves; make their own rational, logical, supportable arguments; and other seemingly adult-like behavior.
And I certainly don't think the tone and direction of these threads are inevitable, that's a moderation issue.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »This is us coming to the realization that she made a dummy account and recreated your diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month...every single thing you logged, perfectly recreated...and then ran reports on the dummy account.
Are you all out of your fricking minds over this report thing?? Do you honestly think I would recreate a person's diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month when I don't even log my own food!!
Let me tell you all a little story. Take two house guests, one a Professor and one a Doctor, sitting around having breakfast whilst I was on the computer. They had a look at the diary which was open to the public and their assessment of it was less than glowing. Both agreed you would lose weight on it but you would not be very healthy. They went back very fleetingly over the three months. All this took probably 5 mins or as long as it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Hence we have a 90 day report. Simple as that.
My posting at the time was out of concern with no malice intended and just for the record, I printed out one day only and at the time we were discussing people's diets and Mamapeach repeatedly tells people her diary is open for all to see. I apologised to Mamapeach at the time for causing her embarrassment as that was certainly not my intention.
The thread was later deleted for reasons unrelated to this incident and so I never got to see a lot of the comments.FYI - There is no way for someone to run a report on another member. So LeenaGee saying that she did is actually a complete lie. It's not a function MFP has. If she did have the report then she could post the information. But she doesn't because again, she's lying. She can prove to everyone that she's not lying by showing the evidence.
MrM, one thing I pride myself on and that is my honestly and integrity, I never claimed it to be a MFP function. I was simply putting to use the two experts on research and reporting that I had at hand at that particular moment. It was a professional assessment and report, just not a computer generated one.
And as for discussing Paleo, gluten, fake food or anything else that you all "insist" on me addressing when it suits you and to satisfy your needs, let me tell you something - just for starters, we are on different time zones and it is not always convenient to respond. Plus the fact, we all know I would be walking into an ambush and nothing I will say will change your opinions and would be an absolute waste of my time.
I will continue to stand by my beliefs in eating as close to nature as possible in our modern world and as long as I continue to be blessed with good health and do not need any medication or supplements whatsoever, I will continue to do what I have been doing for most of my life. Why on earth would anyone convince me to introduce processed food into my diet? What would be the purpose??0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »This is us coming to the realization that she made a dummy account and recreated your diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month...every single thing you logged, perfectly recreated...and then ran reports on the dummy account.
Are you all out of your fricking minds over this report thing?? Do you honestly think I would recreate a person's diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month when I don't even log my own food!!
Let me tell you all a little story. Take two house guests, one a Professor and one a Doctor, sitting around having breakfast whilst I was on the computer. They had a look at the diary which was open to the public and their assessment of it was less than glowing. Both agreed you would lose weight on it but you would not be very healthy. They went back very fleetingly over the three months. All this took probably 5 mins or as long as it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Hence we have a 90 day report. Simple as that.
My posting at the time was out of concern with no malice intended and just for the record, I printed out one day only and at the time we were discussing people's diets and Mamapeach repeatedly tells people her diary is open for all to see. I apologised to Mamapeach at the time for causing her embarrassment as that was certainly not my intention.
The thread was later deleted for reasons unrelated to this incident and so I never got to see a lot of the comments.FYI - There is no way for someone to run a report on another member. So LeenaGee saying that she did is actually a complete lie. It's not a function MFP has. If she did have the report then she could post the information. But she doesn't because again, she's lying. She can prove to everyone that she's not lying by showing the evidence.
MrM, one thing I pride myself on and that is my honestly and integrity, I never claimed it to be a MFP function. I was simply putting to use the two experts on research and reporting that I had at hand at that particular moment. It was a professional assessment and report, just not a computer generated one.
And as for discussing Paleo, gluten, fake food or anything else that you all "insist" on me addressing when it suits you and to satisfy your needs, let me tell you something - just for starters, we are on different time zones and it is not always convenient to respond. Plus the fact, we all know I would be walking into an ambush and nothing I will say will change your opinions and would be an absolute waste of my time.
I will continue to stand by my beliefs in eating as close to nature as possible in our modern world and as long as I continue to be blessed with good health and do not need any medication or supplements whatsoever, I will continue to do what I have been doing for most of my life. Why on earth would anyone convince me to introduce processed food into my diet? What would be the purpose??
now that you are back, can you please explain why processed foods are "fake"?
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tincanonastring wrote: »This is us coming to the realization that she made a dummy account and recreated your diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month...every single thing you logged, perfectly recreated...and then ran reports on the dummy account.
Are you all out of your fricking minds over this report thing?? Do you honestly think I would recreate a person's diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month when I don't even log my own food!!
Let me tell you all a little story. Take two house guests, one a Professor and one a Doctor, sitting around having breakfast whilst I was on the computer. They had a look at the diary which was open to the public and their assessment of it was less than glowing. Both agreed you would lose weight on it but you would not be very healthy. They went back very fleetingly over the three months. All this took probably 5 mins or as long as it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Hence we have a 90 day report. Simple as that.
My posting at the time was out of concern with no malice intended and just for the record, I printed out one day only and at the time we were discussing people's diets and Mamapeach repeatedly tells people her diary is open for all to see. I apologised to Mamapeach at the time for causing her embarrassment as that was certainly not my intention.
The thread was later deleted for reasons unrelated to this incident and so I never got to see a lot of the comments.FYI - There is no way for someone to run a report on another member. So LeenaGee saying that she did is actually a complete lie. It's not a function MFP has. If she did have the report then she could post the information. But she doesn't because again, she's lying. She can prove to everyone that she's not lying by showing the evidence.
MrM, one thing I pride myself on and that is my honestly and integrity, I never claimed it to be a MFP function. I was simply putting to use the two experts on research and reporting that I had at hand at that particular moment. It was a professional assessment and report, just not a computer generated one.
And as for discussing Paleo, gluten, fake food or anything else that you all "insist" on me addressing when it suits you and to satisfy your needs, let me tell you something - just for starters, we are on different time zones and it is not always convenient to respond. Plus the fact, we all know I would be walking into an ambush and nothing I will say will change your opinions and would be an absolute waste of my time.
I will continue to stand by my beliefs in eating as close to nature as possible in our modern world and as long as I continue to be blessed with good health and do not need any medication or supplements whatsoever, I will continue to do what I have been doing for most of my life. Why on earth would anyone convince me to introduce processed food into my diet? What would be the purpose??
Soooo, you just had a couple of friends look at it?? Fleetingly? Yeah, that's not particularly credible in terms of analysing something sorry. For a start, many of MP's diary entries are homecooked meals, logged from her recipes, so you and your friends had absolutely no way of knowing what was in them, in what quantities, and therefore the nutritional value of that meal in terms of micros.
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tincanonastring wrote: »This is us coming to the realization that she made a dummy account and recreated your diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month...every single thing you logged, perfectly recreated...and then ran reports on the dummy account.
Are you all out of your fricking minds over this report thing?? Do you honestly think I would recreate a person's diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month when I don't even log my own food!!
Let me tell you all a little story. Take two house guests, one a Professor and one a Doctor, sitting around having breakfast whilst I was on the computer. They had a look at the diary which was open to the public and their assessment of it was less than glowing. Both agreed you would lose weight on it but you would not be very healthy. They went back very fleetingly over the three months. All this took probably 5 mins or as long as it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Hence we have a 90 day report. Simple as that.
My posting at the time was out of concern with no malice intended and just for the record, I printed out one day only and at the time we were discussing people's diets and Mamapeach repeatedly tells people her diary is open for all to see. I apologised to Mamapeach at the time for causing her embarrassment as that was certainly not my intention.
The thread was later deleted for reasons unrelated to this incident and so I never got to see a lot of the comments.FYI - There is no way for someone to run a report on another member. So LeenaGee saying that she did is actually a complete lie. It's not a function MFP has. If she did have the report then she could post the information. But she doesn't because again, she's lying. She can prove to everyone that she's not lying by showing the evidence.
MrM, one thing I pride myself on and that is my honestly and integrity, I never claimed it to be a MFP function. I was simply putting to use the two experts on research and reporting that I had at hand at that particular moment. It was a professional assessment and report, just not a computer generated one.
And as for discussing Paleo, gluten, fake food or anything else that you all "insist" on me addressing when it suits you and to satisfy your needs, let me tell you something - just for starters, we are on different time zones and it is not always convenient to respond. Plus the fact, we all know I would be walking into an ambush and nothing I will say will change your opinions and would be an absolute waste of my time.
I will continue to stand by my beliefs in eating as close to nature as possible in our modern world and as long as I continue to be blessed with good health and do not need any medication or supplements whatsoever, I will continue to do what I have been doing for most of my life. Why on earth would anyone convince me to introduce processed food into my diet? What would be the purpose??
I think at this point you need to knock it off with thinking you are in any position to criticize anyone's diet based on your posting history. You're back tracking really hard right now and you said what you said in your original post. Honestly at this point it might just be a wise idea to leave the whole Mamapeach and her diary out of your posts. You said you meant no harm but you at the moment you went ahead and said "quite frankly I am not surprised you are as sick as your are". That's disgusting of you. Don't turn around now and play all innocent. You at the time were saying you ran a report for 90 days. I know that's false. For a fact and on good authority that it's false. And you were flat out lying. Now you're trying to backtrack.
The things you have demonstrated that you believe as far as nutrition goes isn't stellar so for you to think you have a leg to stand on while criticizing other then you are sadly confused.
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tincanonastring wrote: »This is us coming to the realization that she made a dummy account and recreated your diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month...every single thing you logged, perfectly recreated...and then ran reports on the dummy account.
Are you all out of your fricking minds over this report thing?? Do you honestly think I would recreate a person's diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month when I don't even log my own food!!
Let me tell you all a little story. Take two house guests, one a Professor and one a Doctor, sitting around having breakfast whilst I was on the computer. They had a look at the diary which was open to the public and their assessment of it was less than glowing. Both agreed you would lose weight on it but you would not be very healthy. They went back very fleetingly over the three months. All this took probably 5 mins or as long as it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Hence we have a 90 day report. Simple as that.
My posting at the time was out of concern with no malice intended and just for the record, I printed out one day only and at the time we were discussing people's diets and Mamapeach repeatedly tells people her diary is open for all to see. I apologised to Mamapeach at the time for causing her embarrassment as that was certainly not my intention.
The thread was later deleted for reasons unrelated to this incident and so I never got to see a lot of the comments.FYI - There is no way for someone to run a report on another member. So LeenaGee saying that she did is actually a complete lie. It's not a function MFP has. If she did have the report then she could post the information. But she doesn't because again, she's lying. She can prove to everyone that she's not lying by showing the evidence.
MrM, one thing I pride myself on and that is my honestly and integrity, I never claimed it to be a MFP function. I was simply putting to use the two experts on research and reporting that I had at hand at that particular moment. It was a professional assessment and report, just not a computer generated one.
And as for discussing Paleo, gluten, fake food or anything else that you all "insist" on me addressing when it suits you and to satisfy your needs, let me tell you something - just for starters, we are on different time zones and it is not always convenient to respond. Plus the fact, we all know I would be walking into an ambush and nothing I will say will change your opinions and would be an absolute waste of my time.
I will continue to stand by my beliefs in eating as close to nature as possible in our modern world and as long as I continue to be blessed with good health and do not need any medication or supplements whatsoever, I will continue to do what I have been doing for most of my life. Why on earth would anyone convince me to introduce processed food into my diet? What would be the purpose??
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Soooo, you just had a couple of friends look at it?? Fleetingly? Yeah, that's not particularly credible in terms of analysing something sorry. For a start, many of MP's diary entries are homecooked meals, logged from her recipes, so you and your friends had absolutely no way of knowing what was in them, in what quantities, and therefore the nutritional value of that meal in terms of micros.
Those couple of "friends" as you so charmingly put it, are quite frankly over qualified for the task I gave them.0 -
bad foods:
foods with any added sugar
foods with any refined grains
foods with hydrogenated oils
foods with soybean oils or other oils that are almost exclusively omega 6 vs 3
starchy vegetables such as potatoes
Deep fried foods
Meats more than 10% (by weight) fat
Screw it, I'll play the answer for people game.
Dinner last night, dinner tonight, you forgot the bacon, though.0 -
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who has people over for breakfast and then asks them to look at random diaries on MFP …???????0
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tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »This is us coming to the realization that she made a dummy account and recreated your diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month...every single thing you logged, perfectly recreated...and then ran reports on the dummy account.
Are you all out of your fricking minds over this report thing?? Do you honestly think I would recreate a person's diary, entry for entry, day by day, month by month when I don't even log my own food!!
Let me tell you all a little story. Take two house guests, one a Professor and one a Doctor, sitting around having breakfast whilst I was on the computer. They had a look at the diary which was open to the public and their assessment of it was less than glowing. Both agreed you would lose weight on it but you would not be very healthy. They went back very fleetingly over the three months. All this took probably 5 mins or as long as it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Hence we have a 90 day report. Simple as that.
My posting at the time was out of concern with no malice intended and just for the record, I printed out one day only and at the time we were discussing people's diets and Mamapeach repeatedly tells people her diary is open for all to see. I apologised to Mamapeach at the time for causing her embarrassment as that was certainly not my intention.
The thread was later deleted for reasons unrelated to this incident and so I never got to see a lot of the comments.FYI - There is no way for someone to run a report on another member. So LeenaGee saying that she did is actually a complete lie. It's not a function MFP has. If she did have the report then she could post the information. But she doesn't because again, she's lying. She can prove to everyone that she's not lying by showing the evidence.
MrM, one thing I pride myself on and that is my honestly and integrity, I never claimed it to be a MFP function. I was simply putting to use the two experts on research and reporting that I had at hand at that particular moment. It was a professional assessment and report, just not a computer generated one.
And as for discussing Paleo, gluten, fake food or anything else that you all "insist" on me addressing when it suits you and to satisfy your needs, let me tell you something - just for starters, we are on different time zones and it is not always convenient to respond. Plus the fact, we all know I would be walking into an ambush and nothing I will say will change your opinions and would be an absolute waste of my time.
I will continue to stand by my beliefs in eating as close to nature as possible in our modern world and as long as I continue to be blessed with good health and do not need any medication or supplements whatsoever, I will continue to do what I have been doing for most of my life. Why on earth would anyone convince me to introduce processed food into my diet? What would be the purpose??
Hopefully it wasn't this Doctor
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MrM, please look very carefully at your posts and perhaps you will see that it is you that is keeping the issue alive and I am unsure what your motives are.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Soooo, you just had a couple of friends look at it?? Fleetingly? Yeah, that's not particularly credible in terms of analysing something sorry. For a start, many of MP's diary entries are homecooked meals, logged from her recipes, so you and your friends had absolutely no way of knowing what was in them, in what quantities, and therefore the nutritional value of that meal in terms of micros.
Those couple of "friends" as you so charmingly put it, are quite frankly over qualified for the task I gave them.
So over qualified that they can magically know what goes into someone else's recipes just from what they've called them? That's impressive.0 -
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ceoverturf wrote: »
Who entertains at breakfast, isn't it every man for himself.
They are medical people and they were intrigued by some of the thinking on MFP. 0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Soooo, you just had a couple of friends look at it?? Fleetingly? Yeah, that's not particularly credible in terms of analysing something sorry. For a start, many of MP's diary entries are homecooked meals, logged from her recipes, so you and your friends had absolutely no way of knowing what was in them, in what quantities, and therefore the nutritional value of that meal in terms of micros.
Those couple of "friends" as you so charmingly put it, are quite frankly over qualified for the task I gave them.
So these over-qualifed friends, these experts on research and reporting, were comfortable passing judgement on someone's entire diet based only on a printout of 1 day's worth of "data" and a fleeting review of 90 day's worth of eating, a review that took all of 5 minutes? 0 -
I'm also horrified at the environmental unfriendliness of printing something you can read on a screen equally well.0
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MrM, please look very carefully at your posts and perhaps you will see that it is you that is keeping the issue alive and I am unsure what your motives are.
Back track all you want. You said what you said and it's disgusting. You say I'm keeping the issue alive but in reality you just logged off hours ago and we're hoping it would be okay. You didn't need to respond in order to attempt to make yourself not look bad you could have ignored it all but instead you came back in with some lame story of 2 "friends" you had over for breakfast. You statement in the last thread was weak, your excuses now are weak. It is what it is. You don't need to know what my motives are.
OMG when will you all stop this stupid nonsense and trying to discredit me. What is with that??? And the story stands because it is true. I do not have to explain my house guests to anyone. I often have important people stay with, mostly because they are family. The story sounds stupid because that is what happened but I will not be called a liar by you MrM. So shut up or prove that my guests do not exist.0 -
We don't need to try to discredit you. You do quite a nice job of that all by yourself.-1
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When they are on holidays, of course they do! Amusing but true!0 -
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