What are your thoughts on braggs Apple cider vinegar?
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Someone stated that ACV is good for wart removal. So you know for a fact that it does nothing for wart removal? Sounds strange to me, but I will never know because I don't get warts.
I haven't made any statements about ACV and wart removal. I don't know if it is true or untrue. But vinegar is strong enough to damage tooth enamel. The idea that it could remove a wart if applied to the skin consistently is a very different that the idea that vinegar, when consumed, will change your body chemistry enough to make you immune to viruses. Remember that our body is great at maintaining a pH range, while our skin is very good at responding to topical applications (even when we don't want it to).
If you don't see a difference between the likelihood of these two claims, maybe do some more reading.
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janejellyroll wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Yeah, 'cause we love playground bullies here. Let's all join in and mock someone for making a typo! That's really constructive.
It is more constructive than telling people apple cider vinegar will end the HIV epidemic.
Where did anyone say that, exactly?
Exaggerate much?
You said drinking apple cider vinegar changed your body chemistry so that viruses could no longer survive.
Are you now doubting that the HIV virus is the cause of AIDS? Or are you saying that this works for some viruses and not others?
Nope, I said that I'd read somewhere ten years ago that apple cider vinegar was good for warding off colds, and as someone who suffered from numerous colds and strep throat several times a year, I'd tried it for myself and subsequently hadn't had a cold or strep throat for the past ten years. You then asked me what I thought the connection was, and (stupidly thinking you were actually interested – I'm fairly new here) I went to the trouble to look this up again, and found numerous articles from the alternative health community positing that drinking apple cider vinegar can have an effect on the alkalinity of the body and create an environment that is hostile to viruses. I stated repeatedly that I didn't have any opinion on the validity of this 'science', but all I could say was that it had worked for me. You then began bleating repeatedly about how I was claiming that apple cider vinegar can cure the AIDS epidemic. So, quite a huge leap there. One really must question what your motivation is for this kind of behaviour.-1 -
The motivation is to show that what you're promoting is bunkum. And also what you're promoting was originated by a charlatan who was arrested and is on trial, or did that fact pass you by?0
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I haven't read through the thread yet, but I have seen amazing results using Braggs to cure warts! Completely painless and fast. Just pull the cotton off the end of a q-tip and soak it in the vinegar, then affix to the wart with a bandaid. Change once a day, and the wart just puffs up and lifts off and leaves nice clear skin behind. It's way better than over-the counter treatment. My brother had a huge wart on his heel that the doctor told him he would need surgery to remove, and using this method with a cotton ball and duct tape took it off (although it took a few weeks, but it was huge and nasty).
As far as diet? Nope. Just eat less and move more IMO.0 -
9 pages is a lot, but if I hadn't stuck with it, I would have missed the Edgar Cayce sighting (and citing). Thread of the year.0
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sheldonklein wrote: »9 pages is a lot, but if I hadn't stuck with it, I would have missed the Edgar Cayce sighting (and citing). Thread of the year.
And it's only April!
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janejellyroll wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Anyone with a shred of common sense will be able to sort the truth from the *kitten*. Not all newbies who come here looking for advice are stupid nitwits. They don't need saving from the MFP police
There are people in this thread saying that apple cider vinegar will make you immune to viruses. People acting on that misinformation could be actually dangerous.
Pseudoscience flourishes when people sit back and assume that people will figure it out for themselves or justify that it doesn't hurt them if people deny reality. But things like the recent measles outbreak show that it can hurt us and it can hurt innocent people.
I like this community because it is so science-based and there is so little tolerance for fantasies. I would hate to see that change.
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
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janejellyroll wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Anyone with a shred of common sense will be able to sort the truth from the *kitten*. Not all newbies who come here looking for advice are stupid nitwits. They don't need saving from the MFP police
There are people in this thread saying that apple cider vinegar will make you immune to viruses. People acting on that misinformation could be actually dangerous.
Pseudoscience flourishes when people sit back and assume that people will figure it out for themselves or justify that it doesn't hurt them if people deny reality. But things like the recent measles outbreak show that it can hurt us and it can hurt innocent people.
I like this community because it is so science-based and there is so little tolerance for fantasies. I would hate to see that change.
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
Her exact words:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
The apple cider vinegar alkalinizes the body and creates an environment where viruses can't survive.0 -
Apple cider vinegar works for acid reflux although I don't know if there' s anything special about Bragg's particularly. Just make sure you get the one with the mother.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Anyone with a shred of common sense will be able to sort the truth from the *kitten*. Not all newbies who come here looking for advice are stupid nitwits. They don't need saving from the MFP police
There are people in this thread saying that apple cider vinegar will make you immune to viruses. People acting on that misinformation could be actually dangerous.
Pseudoscience flourishes when people sit back and assume that people will figure it out for themselves or justify that it doesn't hurt them if people deny reality. But things like the recent measles outbreak show that it can hurt us and it can hurt innocent people.
I like this community because it is so science-based and there is so little tolerance for fantasies. I would hate to see that change.
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
Her exact words:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
The apple cider vinegar alkalinizes the body and creates an environment where viruses can't survive.
But she was talking about colds. I never saw anything about HIV until you kept bringing it up. And I truly doubt anyone would read this thread and use ACV to counteract HIV or measles.
Also, on another note, this poster also mentioned strep throat, which is bacterial and NOT viral.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »The motivation is to show that what you're promoting is bunkum. And also what you're promoting was originated by a charlatan who was arrested and is on trial, or did that fact pass you by?
(Sigh) As I previously said.
"I stated repeatedly that I didn't have any opinion on the validity of this 'science', but all I could say was that it had worked for me."0 -
Dnarules, the promoter of this whole acid/alkaline disease theory believes that cancer is due to a ph imbalance of the body and is on trial because of it.
The argument janey is making isn't far-fetched, it's taking the original statement to absurdity to show its fallacy.
Have you read the whole thread?0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Anyone with a shred of common sense will be able to sort the truth from the *kitten*. Not all newbies who come here looking for advice are stupid nitwits. They don't need saving from the MFP police
There are people in this thread saying that apple cider vinegar will make you immune to viruses. People acting on that misinformation could be actually dangerous.
Pseudoscience flourishes when people sit back and assume that people will figure it out for themselves or justify that it doesn't hurt them if people deny reality. But things like the recent measles outbreak show that it can hurt us and it can hurt innocent people.
I like this community because it is so science-based and there is so little tolerance for fantasies. I would hate to see that change.
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
Her exact words:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
The apple cider vinegar alkalinizes the body and creates an environment where viruses can't survive.
But she was talking about colds. I never saw anything about HIV until you kept bringing it up. And I truly doubt anyone would read this thread and use ACV to counteract HIV or measles.
Don't be so sure:
http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hiv-treatment-aids-remedies.html
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FunkyTobias wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Anyone with a shred of common sense will be able to sort the truth from the *kitten*. Not all newbies who come here looking for advice are stupid nitwits. They don't need saving from the MFP police
There are people in this thread saying that apple cider vinegar will make you immune to viruses. People acting on that misinformation could be actually dangerous.
Pseudoscience flourishes when people sit back and assume that people will figure it out for themselves or justify that it doesn't hurt them if people deny reality. But things like the recent measles outbreak show that it can hurt us and it can hurt innocent people.
I like this community because it is so science-based and there is so little tolerance for fantasies. I would hate to see that change.
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
Her exact words:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
The apple cider vinegar alkalinizes the body and creates an environment where viruses can't survive.
But she was talking about colds. I never saw anything about HIV until you kept bringing it up. And I truly doubt anyone would read this thread and use ACV to counteract HIV or measles.
Also, on another note, this poster also mentioned strep throat, which is bacterial and NOT viral.
HIV is a virus. She said "it creates an environment where viruses can't survive". I don't see where this is not saying that ACV would work against HIV.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Dnarules, the promoter of this whole acid/alkaline disease theory believes that cancer is due to a ph imbalance of the body and is on trial because of it.
The argument janey is making isn't far-fetched, it's taking the original statement to absurdity to show its fallacy.
Have you read the whole thread?
Yes, I've read it all. I do know these theories are woo.
But janey keeps coming in here saying others have said ACV will make one immune to HIV, and no one has said it but her. If you want to point out the fallacy in something, fine. But dont make it seem like someone said something they didnt say.
Are there some who might believe ACV would work against all viruses....probably somewhere I guess. And all this isn't going to change their minds. It rarely does.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
Her exact words:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
The apple cider vinegar alkalinizes the body and creates an environment where viruses can't survive.
But she was talking about colds. I never saw anything about HIV until you kept bringing it up. And I truly doubt anyone would read this thread and use ACV to counteract HIV or measles.
Don't be so sure:
http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hiv-treatment-aids-remedies.html
Yes, it's getting completely ridiculous. In fact I didn't even "claim" that ACV created a hostile environment for viruses, that statement was actually concluded with the words "or so I've read". And the link above referring to HIV cures was never posted by me.
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But janey keeps coming in here saying others have said ACV will make one immune to HIV, and no one has said it but her. If you want to point out the fallacy in something, fine. But dont make it seem like someone said something they didnt say.
Yep. Again, it makes one question the motivation behind it. Just someone wanting to stir things up, I expect.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
Her exact words:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
The apple cider vinegar alkalinizes the body and creates an environment where viruses can't survive.
But she was talking about colds. I never saw anything about HIV until you kept bringing it up. And I truly doubt anyone would read this thread and use ACV to counteract HIV or measles.
Don't be so sure:
http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hiv-treatment-aids-remedies.html
Yep, it's getting completely ridiculous. In fact I didn't even "claim" that ACV created a hostile environment for viruses, that statement was actually concluded with the words "or so I've read". And the link above referring to HIV cures was never posted by me.
Here's how it works:
You claim that ACV and the whole acid/alkaline balance thing creates a hostile environment for illness in the body.
You came in with guns blazing on the issue, ready to skool all of us, and even told all of us to enjoy our colds.
Colds are caused by viruses.
HIV is a virus.
Well, if all of this "works" for a cold, why not HIV?
Stand by the miracle you're touting, or admit it's bunkum. (Or say nothing, drink more vinegar, talk a walk around the block, whatever... )
Your choice.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »I stated repeatedly that I didn't have any opinion on the validity of this 'science', but all I could say was that it had worked for me. You then began bleating repeatedly about how I was claiming that apple cider vinegar can cure the AIDS epidemic. So, quite a huge leap there. One really must question what your motivation is for this kind of behaviour.
I don't like pseudoscience.
If you don't believe that ACV can make humans immune to viruses, then it shouldn't bother you when people ridicule that "science." But if you don't believe it, then maybe you shouldn't use "sources" saying that to support your claim that ACR has made you immune to a virus.
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Actually, you are flirting with ridiculous right now. The person claimed that ACV was good for colds, and created a hostile environment for viruses. This person never mentioned HIV; that has been on you. Do I believe ACV does anything to viruses within the body.....no. But you are definitely exaggerating all this with the HIV and measles stuff. Also, could you please show me where anyone stated it would make one immune to viruses. I don't remember seeing that.
She said flat out that it created an environment where viruses couldn't survive. It is true that she didn't mention HIV. But isn't HIV a virus?
If she meant only one or two viruses out of the many, many known, why wouldn't she say it that way?
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I heard ACV helps with wrinkles, so I put it on my face last night ... film at 11
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Yes, I've read it all. I do know these theories are woo.
But janey keeps coming in here saying others have said ACV will make one immune to HIV, and no one has said it but her. If you want to point out the fallacy in something, fine. But dont make it seem like someone said something they didnt say.
So you're are saying someone could believe that ACV will create an environment where viruses can't survive (what the poster stated), but also believe that some viruses would be able to survive there?
That doesn't make sense. The two contradict each other. If you state that ACV will change your body chemistry to make it so that viruses can't survive, you are making a statement about HIV (and measles). Now when faced with that absurdity, you may back down (or, like here, you may claim you never meant it and we're just presenting the views of others). But your reading makes no sense. Of course she was talking about HIV. She just probably didn't realize it until it was pointed out.
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stephenrhinton wrote: »I've never heard about it as an appetite suppressant. But I've seen and heard a lot of anecdotal evidence that it slows carbohydrate digestion and lowers resistance to insulin. Making it of benefit to diabetics. (And from what I've read for these benefits getting the unfiltered 'with the mother' like Braggs is important)
Also read that the unfiltered stuff has probiotic benefits if you are into that bit.
I drink it straight because I couldn't deal with the taste of it even highly diluted. So now I throw it back like a shot and then chase it with water to wash away the aftertaste.
I did that. Ended up in the hospital. It happened twice, both from ACV but I'm not really sure why. I now heavily dilute ACV when I have the nerve to take it.
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My thoughts/theories (for what they're worth):
A person who chooses to use ACV very likely ALREADY had a fairly healthy lifestyle when they started taking it. Ten years later they look back and say 'wow, I haven't had a cold in years!', so they start looking at what may have caused this run of good health. Did the ACV contribute? If so, was it due to some property of the vinegar, a combination of that AND a healthy lifestyle, or perhaps a BELIEF that it would? Do we know for a fact that it didn't? Nope ... too many other factors involved either way.
It's anecdotal -- not scientifically PROVEN by the demigods who can prove that GMO is safe -- but if it works for YOU, carry on doing what you're doing. Chicken soup has finally gained respect in the scientific world after spending decades as an 'old wives tale'.
Btw ... BRAGGS is a brand ... any organic ACV that has the mother intact will do the same as BRAGGS will.
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Of course she was talking about HIV. She just probably didn't realize it until it was pointed out.
Seriously!? Can you hear yourself?
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Of course she was talking about HIV. She just probably didn't realize it until it was pointed out.
Seriously!? Can you hear yourself?
Wait, so you were thinking of HIV when you wrote that? I was trying to interpret your statements in the most charitable light by assuming you hadn't thought it through.
If ACV prevents colds by creating an environment in the body that is hostile to viruses and HIV is a virus, then AIDS can be prevented by drinking ACV. Did you meant to write something different? Perhaps that you believe it just prevents one type of virus, that which causes the common cold. It's okay to make misstatements sometimes. But when people point them out, you shouldn't dig in.
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