Questions about sugar

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  • Chrysalid2014
    Chrysalid2014 Posts: 1,038 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    I really, really want a Snickers bar right now. I'm sick. A Snickers should take pity on me and materialize in my living room so I could eat it.

    I really want one now too... lol!

    Isn't that unhealthy???

    yep. Not healthy. But you people make me stress me out. haha!

    Remind me why it's not healthy???

    Uh... ever heard of insulin resistance? Metabolic syndrome? Type 2 diabetes, perhaps?

  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    I really, really want a Snickers bar right now. I'm sick. A Snickers should take pity on me and materialize in my living room so I could eat it.

    I really want one now too... lol!

    Isn't that unhealthy???

    yep. Not healthy. But you people make me stress me out. haha!

    Remind me why it's not healthy???

    Uh... ever heard of insulin resistance? Metabolic syndrome? Type 2 diabetes, perhaps?

    So because some people have medical issues, nobody should have sugar?
  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone! I'm not going to worry about it so long as it's "healthy" and natural sugar I'm consuming... and not from a snickers bar haha!
    LOL

    I go over every day!! But then I lost over 100 pounds doing so and now no longer have heart disease and have blood pressure of a teenager. *shrugs*
  • jkwolly
    jkwolly Posts: 3,049 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    I really, really want a Snickers bar right now. I'm sick. A Snickers should take pity on me and materialize in my living room so I could eat it.

    I really want one now too... lol!

    Isn't that unhealthy???

    yep. Not healthy. But you people make me stress me out. haha!

    Remind me why it's not healthy???

    Uh... ever heard of insulin resistance? Metabolic syndrome? Type 2 diabetes, perhaps?
    Type 2 diabetes is not caused by sugarzzzzzzzzzz
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    I really, really want a Snickers bar right now. I'm sick. A Snickers should take pity on me and materialize in my living room so I could eat it.

    I really want one now too... lol!

    Isn't that unhealthy???

    yep. Not healthy. But you people make me stress me out. haha!

    Remind me why it's not healthy???

    Uh... ever heard of insulin resistance? Metabolic syndrome? Type 2 diabetes, perhaps?
    Plus, some people are allergic to peanuts, therefore Snickers are, by definition, unhealthy for everyone.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    I really, really want a Snickers bar right now. I'm sick. A Snickers should take pity on me and materialize in my living room so I could eat it.

    I really want one now too... lol!

    Isn't that unhealthy???

    yep. Not healthy. But you people make me stress me out. haha!

    Remind me why it's not healthy???

    Uh... ever heard of insulin resistance? Metabolic syndrome? Type 2 diabetes, perhaps?

    Lol so medical condition makes it unhealthy?????

    Ridiculous argument is ridiculous...
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    Person has shellfish allergy, therefore, shellfish is bad for everyone... Logic, you have none.
  • Eudoxy
    Eudoxy Posts: 391 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    not at all. Those levels in MFP are minimums and you only need to concern yourself with going over any of them if you have a medical condition requiring you to keep them low.

    The sugar level is not meant to be a minimum. I don't track it myself, but there's no daily requirement for sugar.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    It won't affect your weight loss at all. I turned off the "Sugar" reading in my diary and replaced it with Iron, since I'm anemic. You don't need to watch your sugar levels unless you're diabetic/insulin sensitive.

    Calories in vs out determine weight loss, not sugar.

    Yep. I did the same thing.
  • jkwolly
    jkwolly Posts: 3,049 Member
    Serious epic wins today, I tell you.

    Almost as good as the can you keep a secret one.
  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    Man I wish I got money for every time I get a Bingo, lol. :p
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    I really, really want a Snickers bar right now. I'm sick. A Snickers should take pity on me and materialize in my living room so I could eat it.

    I really want one now too... lol!

    Isn't that unhealthy???

    yep. Not healthy. But you people make me stress me out. haha!

    Remind me why it's not healthy???

    Uh... ever heard of insulin resistance? Metabolic syndrome? Type 2 diabetes, perhaps?

    So wait. I'll play and use your logic.

    I have celiac disease.

    No one should eat gluten.

    See how that works?

  • HeatherZousel
    HeatherZousel Posts: 62 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    jkwolly wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone! I'm not going to worry about it so long as it's "healthy" and natural sugar I'm consuming... and not from a snickers bar haha!
    Did you not read anything else in the thread?

    SMH.

    I think OP is right here. When you are restricting calories you should try to eat things that will benefit your body. If you are eating fruit you are clearly benefiting your body far more than a snickers would. What is weightloss without health.

    So 1 snickers will make you unhealthy?

    Nope. Never said it would. My point is that there is a lot more to nutritional health than macros. You know like vitamins, mineral, antioxidants. When you are eating in calorie restriction and trying to meet the nutritional needsof your body, youare better served by eating fruit than snickers . If you deny fruit is better for you than snickers then I can't think of a single reason to continue having this conversation
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    jkwolly wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone! I'm not going to worry about it so long as it's "healthy" and natural sugar I'm consuming... and not from a snickers bar haha!
    Did you not read anything else in the thread?

    SMH.

    I think OP is right here. When you are restricting calories you should try to eat things that will benefit your body. If you are eating fruit you are clearly benefiting your body far more than a snickers would. What is weightloss without health.

    So 1 snickers will make you unhealthy?

    Nope. Never said it would. My point is that there is a lot more to nutritional health than macros. You know like vitamins, mineral, antioxidants. When you are eating in calorie restriction and trying to meet the nutritional needsof your body, youare better served by eating fruit than snickers . If you deny fruit is better for you than snickers then I can't think of a single reason to continue having this conversation

    So the only "unhealthy" thing about it is that it could potentially crowd out other nutrients? Wouldn't this be true for any food? I mean, I could eat black beans instead of the fruit. If I need -- in a given day -- what is in the black beans more than I need what is in the fruit, does that make fruit unhealthy?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    jkwolly wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone! I'm not going to worry about it so long as it's "healthy" and natural sugar I'm consuming... and not from a snickers bar haha!
    Did you not read anything else in the thread?

    SMH.

    I think OP is right here. When you are restricting calories you should try to eat things that will benefit your body. If you are eating fruit you are clearly benefiting your body far more than a snickers would. What is weightloss without health.
    I think you are wrong here. As luck would have it, this is part of my planned menu for tomorrow.cswnx424l4ch.png

    The bottom numbers are my macro goals for the day. The top numbers are what I (will have) logged for the day. Tell me the problem with the Snickers here.


    No problem with the Snickers...

    ...but your fat target seems deleteriously low.
    It is low on workout days. It's 58g on non-workout days.

    Edited to add: On a weekly basis, I target 24.37% of my calories being from fat. Is that deleteriously low, in your view?

    Honestly, it does still sound a little low, but that's admittedly based more on "feel" and "average active adult male" assumptions than on any actual calculations. I didn't actually do any math on these new numbers. (Okay, strike that last statement. I just did some math. Assuming 185 pounds, that's <0.3g/pound, which is "low" fat consumption.)

    Your 35g fat limit (when I assumed that was daily) set off my "definitely too low" alarms for someone with a ~2k daily limit...because <0.2g/pound is low enough that I would expect it to negatively impact proper hormone regulation/production.

    I'm curious, though, what's your reasoning for keeping fat so low?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    jkwolly wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone! I'm not going to worry about it so long as it's "healthy" and natural sugar I'm consuming... and not from a snickers bar haha!
    Did you not read anything else in the thread?

    SMH.

    I think OP is right here. When you are restricting calories you should try to eat things that will benefit your body. If you are eating fruit you are clearly benefiting your body far more than a snickers would. What is weightloss without health.

    So 1 snickers will make you unhealthy?

    Nope. Never said it would. My point is that there is a lot more to nutritional health than macros. You know like vitamins, mineral, antioxidants. When you are eating in calorie restriction and trying to meet the nutritional needsof your body, youare better served by eating fruit than snickers . If you deny fruit is better for you than snickers then I can't think of a single reason to continue having this conversation

    In a diet comprised entirely of fruit, substituting a Snickers bar for some of that fruit is healthier. Every time. (There are many other scenarios not at this extreme where that is still the case.)

    It is simply incorrect to assert that "you are better served by eating fruit than snickers" in all cases.

    There is a lot more to nutritional health than evaluating each food choice in an absolute vacuum irrespective of consideration of overall diet.
  • azulvioleta6
    azulvioleta6 Posts: 4,195 Member
    Just because "everyone" is doing it doesn't mean that it is OK.

    Many people can lose weight while consuming too much sugar. Some of us cannot. It's not only a question of weight loss--too much sugar in your diet isn't great for long-term health.

    I manage to eat a fair amount of chocolate and fruit and still not go over my sugar allowance. Switch some of your fruit consumption to vegetable consumption. It's not that hard.

    Did you read my post about the day I went over on sugar from consuming dairy and vegetables? No fruit?

    Besides, how much is "too much"?

    Nope, I didn't see that. How much dairy did you eat that day?

    Too much is when you are going over your allowances. I don't think that I have EVER gone over--that's a heck of a lot of sugar.

    Part of what the macros are doing is to help us moderate our diets on a daily level. Too much of anything is probably not great--we need variety. While one day will not make or break you, it is helpful to have that reminder in everyday tracking. Americans are used to a diet which contains vastly too much sugar in all of its forms--that seems normal, especially to people who are used to eating a lot of processed foods, but it might not be the best plan in the long term.

    Not everybody here is focused solely on weight loss. I want to live well, to be fit and to minimize the effects of some fairly serious health issues. I have excellent longevity in my family tree and I want to look and feel good as I age, because in all likelihood I am going to make it to a fairly old age.

    There are several IIFYM people here who have lost a lot of weight, but when you zoom in on their faces, they look a lot older than you would expect. Sure, aging has to do with genetics and all kinds of lifestyle choices, but it seems like, in some cases, the sugar isn't helping much. Yes, n=not very many and the research in this area is fairly new and somewhat limited. ..but I will keep eating within the goals, just in case. :)
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    jkwolly wrote: »
    jenhill76 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone! I'm not going to worry about it so long as it's "healthy" and natural sugar I'm consuming... and not from a snickers bar haha!
    Did you not read anything else in the thread?

    SMH.

    I think OP is right here. When you are restricting calories you should try to eat things that will benefit your body. If you are eating fruit you are clearly benefiting your body far more than a snickers would. What is weightloss without health.

    So 1 snickers will make you unhealthy?

    Nope. Never said it would. My point is that there is a lot more to nutritional health than macros. You know like vitamins, mineral, antioxidants. When you are eating in calorie restriction and trying to meet the nutritional needsof your body, youare better served by eating fruit than snickers . If you deny fruit is better for you than snickers then I can't think of a single reason to continue having this conversation

    That's why everyone says hit macros AND micros
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    Just because "everyone" is doing it doesn't mean that it is OK.

    Many people can lose weight while consuming too much sugar. Some of us cannot. It's not only a question of weight loss--too much sugar in your diet isn't great for long-term health.

    I manage to eat a fair amount of chocolate and fruit and still not go over my sugar allowance. Switch some of your fruit consumption to vegetable consumption. It's not that hard.

    Did you read my post about the day I went over on sugar from consuming dairy and vegetables? No fruit?

    Besides, how much is "too much"?

    Nope, I didn't see that. How much dairy did you eat that day?

    Too much is when you are going over your allowances. I don't think that I have EVER gone over--that's a heck of a lot of sugar.

    Part of what the macros are doing is to help us moderate our diets on a daily level. Too much of anything is probably not great--we need variety. While one day will not make or break you, it is helpful to have that reminder in everyday tracking. Americans are used to a diet which contains vastly too much sugar in all of its forms--that seems normal, especially to people who are used to eating a lot of processed foods, but it might not be the best plan in the long term.

    Not everybody here is focused solely on weight loss. I want to live well, to be fit and to minimize the effects of some fairly serious health issues. I have excellent longevity in my family tree and I want to look and feel good as I age, because in all likelihood I am going to make it to a fairly old age.

    There are several IIFYM people here who have lost a lot of weight, but when you zoom in on their faces, they look a lot older than you would expect. Sure, aging has to do with genetics and all kinds of lifestyle choices, but it seems like, in some cases, the sugar isn't helping much. Yes, n=not very many and the research in this area is fairly new and somewhat limited. ..but I will keep eating within the goals, just in case. :)

    There is so much WTF in this post I don't even know where to start.

    Yeah, no, I think I'll just leave it alone.

    I'll answer your question about the dairy. I ate 2 servings of cottage cheese (226g) and 1 serving of yogurt (227g). My biggest hit of sugar that day, and half my intake, was from cauliflower. 20 grams of sugar in that serving. It was a LOT of cauliflower.

    I'm a vegetarian.

    The yogurt and cottage cheese were unsweetened. I ate the cottage cheese with chopped vegetables and the yogurt with PB2.

  • HeatherZousel
    HeatherZousel Posts: 62 Member



    :wink:
    Yes, if by eating the fruit instead of the black beans, you were therefore not getting the nutrients you needed from the beans. We are designed to have a widely varied diet. Am I saying that you can't have a Snickers and be healthy? No. But I am saying that the Snickers is not contributing to your health. Even if I were to agree that sugar is sugar, (which is debatable, but is a matter of semantics) the sugar in fruit is accompanied by fiber. It is harder for your body to digest and therefore results in lower amounts of insulin being released that the simple, refined sugar in a candy bar. Insulin prompts the body to store glycogen, either in muscles, or as fat. So a Snickers has 33 grams of Carbs, (1 gram of Fiber, and 27 grams of sugar). An orange has 21 grams of Carbs (4.3 grams of Fiber and 17 grams of sugar). The energy from the orange will be released slower, your body will have a chance to actually use the energy from it as it is released. But in addition to just energy the orange also has Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamins A, C, and B-6.