All pills are not snake oil
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Nopediannethegeek wrote: »Did the OP ever come back to have that discussion about the pros and cons or was this a drvie-by scolding?
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My big question is..when i read this kinda post...when you believe in all these kinda magic pills..why joining a calorie counting site and agreeing with the TOS?
And saying but i count and log too...is no excuse. Because the pills must do the work, not the counting0 -
You know what they call alternative medicine that works?
Medicine.
Yeah I like that.
I think too many diet pills rely on placebo effects or require a healthy diet and lifestyle to work, but if you have a healthy diet and lifestyle all of a sudden, is it the pill working its magic or just you making a lifestyle change.
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On the topic of placebos
You can be aware that something is inert and it still frackin works!
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/dec/22/placebo-effect-patients-sham-drug
So don't waste your money of expensive and ultimately pointless diet pills. Go buy yourself a bottle of vitamin C tabs, write "weight loss" on the side and go at it!0 -
I've been taking Snake oil for the last two years. To this I credit it to my "Cobra" like Traps. However I now smell with my tongue and crawl around on my belly. You have to take the rough with the smooth.0
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My sister lost a ton of weight with a prescription appetite suppressant, but when she stopped taking it, the gained it all back and then some. Weight loss pills can and do work, but if you're not learning how to cover your nutritional needs without overeating, they'll do you no good in the long run.0
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I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise0 -
christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
And the side effects....0 -
Prescribed pills by a doctor for a health issue............not snake oil.
Advertised pills for weight loss...............all snake oil.
Does placebo effect happen? Of course. But don't pay $49.99 for a 4 week supply for it.
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christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
You probably lost wallet weight.0 -
did OP ever come back..?0
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christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
You probably lost wallet weight.
yes indeedy!christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
And the side effects....
None, that i noticed. They could have been sugar pills for all I know..
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christinev297 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
You probably lost wallet weight.
yes indeedy!christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
And the side effects....
None, that i noticed. They could have been sugar pills for all I know..
OH DEAR GOD!!! NOT THE EVIL SUGAR PILLS!!!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
You probably lost wallet weight.
yes indeedy!christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
And the side effects....
None, that i noticed. They could have been sugar pills for all I know..
OH DEAR GOD!!! NOT THE EVIL SUGAR PILLS!!!
hehehe
They would have magically made me pack on the weight, no?
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snickerscharlie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
You probably lost wallet weight.
yes indeedy!christinev297 wrote: »I have tried:
Garcinia Cambogia
Green coffee bean extract
Green tea extract
CLA
Plexus
Fibre slim
and a few others I cant remember the names of..
Not one of them helped one single bit. The only thing that I have lost weight doing is counting my calories and exercise
And the side effects....
None, that i noticed. They could have been sugar pills for all I know..
OH DEAR GOD!!! NOT THE EVIL SUGAR PILLS!!!
hehehe
Sugar?
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You'll lose weight alright, by not having money budgeted for food because you spent too much on gimmicks. The only things that can make you lose weight from an OTC supplement standpoint is caffeine, and that is only because excessive amounts of caffeine jacks up your heart rate and causes you to burn more calories.
And instead of those 100-200 dollar caffeine pills with lord knows what else is in them you could use that extra money to purchase and eat fibrous vegetables to be in a calorie deficit without feeling like you're starving. If you feel that you need to spend xyz to help motivate you in keeping track of your calories, that's on you. You could just drink sugarfree redbull and take a nodoz for that.
Why not just spend the money on a nice food scale, or a pedometer, or exercise dvds, things that are proven to help.
IMHO all weight loss supplements are snake oil, the reason this echoes so loudly is because we were all young and naive once and probably tried the junk. Its a mistake you are just better off avoiding altogether. Not to mention the news stories where people had to be hospitalized from these.
" A smart man makes a mistake, learns from it, and never makes that mistake again. But a wise man finds a smart man and learns from him how to avoid the mistake altogether."
--Roy H. Williams
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And we learned that @slideaway1 crawls on his belly like a reptile (bonus points if you know the Ray Stevens lyrics). Photo of actual snake oil salesman below included to facilitate easy recognition.
This is the first time I've ever wanted to hug a snake.0 -
crazyjerseygirl wrote: »On the topic of placebos
You can be aware that something is inert and it still frackin works!
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/dec/22/placebo-effect-patients-sham-drug
So don't waste your money of expensive and ultimately pointless diet pills. Go buy yourself a bottle of vitamin C tabs, write "weight loss" on the side and go at it!
Yes! This was a good one!
Make sure to spend a lot of money on it to convince yourself harder. (Interesting side bit about the spending more money bit: It plays into why it's so hard to admit a program sucks or an expensive purchase was disappointing after spending lots of time and/or money because it's difficult to admit to yourself that you've wasted it. So, instead, the justification machine gets going and suddenly it is not a waste of anything and is awesome!)
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Liftng4Lis wrote:You forgot kegels!
I'm probably going to regret asking this, but...senecar wrote:I'm still going to advocate barbell resistance training over static contraction for all muscles
how do you apply "barbell resistance training" to the muscles targeted by kegel exercises?
Feel free to reply by PM if the result is not PG-rated, so this thread doesn't get locked.
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Aside from the tu quoque, this actually shows that regulation works.kshama wrote:What about the bad things that happen from the regulated products like Phen/Fen?
The dangerous part was taken off the market, and phentermine is still legal, still used.
Thalidomide is another example.
The original mixture caused horrid birth defects, flippers instead of arms/legs.
Once they figured out which directional molecule caused the problem*, and eliminated it from the medicine, it was put back on the market and works just as it should, without the fetal defects.
*(Often, molecules can be made / found in mirror images, or right & left-handed forms. Usually only one is bioactive. For thalidomide, both were. The bad one was removed, the good one still controls nausea.)
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Returning to the actual topic which is supposed to be under discussion...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24695007
Expectancy, Self-Efficacy, and Placebo Effect of a Sham Supplement for Weight Loss in Obese Adults.
Journal of Evidence Based Complementary & Alternative Medicine
2014 Apr 1;19(3):181-188. [Epub ahead of print]
Tippens, Purnell, Gregory, Connelly, Hanes, Oken, Calabrese.
Abstract
This study examined the role of expectancy in the placebo effect of a sham dietary supplement for weight loss in 114 obese adults with metabolic syndrome.
All participants received lifestyle education and were randomized to 1 of 3 conditions:
(1) a daily placebo capsule and told that they were taking an active weight loss supplement,
(2) daily placebo and told they had a 50% random chance of receiving either the active or placebo, or
(3) no capsules.
At 12 weeks, weight loss and metabolic outcomes were similar among the 3 groups.
Participants in both groups that took capsules showed decreased weight loss self-efficacy and increased expectations of benefit from dietary supplements.
Participants not taking capsules showed the opposite.
Adverse events were more frequently reported in groups taking capsules than those who were not.
These findings suggest that supplements without weight loss effects may have nocebo effects through diminished self-efficacy.
PMID: 24695007
PMCID: PMC4182347 [Available on 2015-10-01]
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