All pills are not snake oil
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Sometimes the pills work, but they're always yanked off the market because they're dangerous.
You never know, when you take these things, what they're going to do to you. Personally, I'm against swallowing pills and powders without knowing what the heck is in them! I think people who do it are being foolish.
Furthermore, I think it's really important to learn to eat without relying on crutches. I think that's the best way to go about it, but I admit that it's just a personal opinion.
If you want to swallow the stuff, I'll support your decision and wish you well. Good luck.
I'm glad you support the swallowers.
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Sometimes the pills work, but they're always yanked off the market because they're dangerous.
You never know, when you take these things, what they're going to do to you. Personally, I'm against swallowing pills and powders without knowing what the heck is in them! I think people who do it are being foolish.
Furthermore, I think it's really important to learn to eat without relying on crutches. I think that's the best way to go about it, but I admit that it's just a personal opinion.
If you want to swallow the stuff, I'll support your decision and wish you well. Good luck.
I'm glad you support the swallowers.
I just did a spit take.
Not trying to continue the gag with that comment.
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Sometimes the pills work, but they're always yanked off the market because they're dangerous.
You never know, when you take these things, what they're going to do to you. Personally, I'm against swallowing pills and powders without knowing what the heck is in them! I think people who do it are being foolish.
Furthermore, I think it's really important to learn to eat without relying on crutches. I think that's the best way to go about it, but I admit that it's just a personal opinion.
If you want to swallow the stuff, I'll support your decision and wish you well. Good luck.
I'm glad you support the swallowers.
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Op - here is the short answer , you don't need pills and supplements to lose weight , barring being prescribed something for a medical condition.
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My issue with pills, whether they work or have a placebo effect, is that it smack of a temporary solution which generally lends itself to the idea that weight loss is a stage to go through before you can go back to "normal" - normal ebing what got you to the stage of needing to lose weight in the first place.0
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Sometimes the pills work, but they're always yanked off the market because they're dangerous.
You never know, when you take these things, what they're going to do to you. Personally, I'm against swallowing pills and powders without knowing what the heck is in them! I think people who do it are being foolish.
Furthermore, I think it's really important to learn to eat without relying on crutches. I think that's the best way to go about it, but I admit that it's just a personal opinion.
If you want to swallow the stuff, I'll support your decision and wish you well. Good luck.
So your saying it's dangerous to take them but you will support said dangerous decision??
That's like saying it's not safe to jump off the Brooklyn bridge, but I'll support your decision to do it.
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christinev297 wrote: »OP your head is going to fall off soon if you keep shaking it. Relax and don't take the interwebz so personally.
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christinev297 wrote: »OP your head is going to fall off soon if you keep shaking it. Relax and don't take the interwebz so personally.
I thought smh was "smacking my head" like hitting yourself on the head because you can't believe what you're reading. I've been doing a lot of it in this thread.
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OP is it your contention that no one should comment about the possible outcomes of an individual's idea if he or she doesn't have firsthand experience with that idea?
For example, I've never jumped out of an airplane without a parachute but I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome would be if someone wanted to try. Should I not tell them, and instead think, "nah, they will figure it out, why would they bother listening to me, I've never tried it"?
Direct experience is only one method of validating an outcome. The vast majority of researchers don't conduct the experiment on themselves, that would invalidate the data. Should they not comment on the efficacy of supplements or other pills since they've never tried them first hand?0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »smh
Yes i knew it was pointless when i posted but it was rWinoGelato wrote: »OP is it your contention that no one should comment about the possible outcomes of an individual's idea if he or she doesn't have firsthand experience with that idea?
For example, I've never jumped out of an airplane without a parachute but I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome would be if someone wanted to try. Should I not tell them, and instead think, "nah, they will figure it out, why would they bother listening to me, I've never tried it"?
Direct experience is only one method of validating an outcome. The vast majority of researchers don't conduct the experiment on themselves, that would invalidate the data. Should they not comment on the efficacy of supplements or other pills since they've never tried them first hand?
It was a compound point regarding not commenting if you don't know about a product and not commenting just to be cute or sarcastic without any useful points. And many have no basis for comments on a specific supplement other than their general disdain for all supplements. It would be different if they said something about that specific supplement, which i said0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Jozzmenia have you tried any of these weight loss products, and have they made a dramatic difference to your weight loss?
Like I said, the only thing they did for me was make me poorer..
I've taken alot in my 35 years on earth the only ones to havr a significant memorable effect were metabolife and adipex in terms of pills. Finding a protein i liked was also a godsend for my weight loss. Had a trainer recommend lipo 6 black but told me to drink extra water because it's bad for the liver. Smh. I've done medical weight loss, weight watchers, and different shakes.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »smh
Yes i knew it was pointless when i posted but it was rWinoGelato wrote: »OP is it your contention that no one should comment about the possible outcomes of an individual's idea if he or she doesn't have firsthand experience with that idea?
For example, I've never jumped out of an airplane without a parachute but I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome would be if someone wanted to try. Should I not tell them, and instead think, "nah, they will figure it out, why would they bother listening to me, I've never tried it"?
Direct experience is only one method of validating an outcome. The vast majority of researchers don't conduct the experiment on themselves, that would invalidate the data. Should they not comment on the efficacy of supplements or other pills since they've never tried them first hand?
It was a compound point regarding not commenting if you don't know about a product and not commenting just to be cute or sarcastic without any useful points. And many have no basis for comments on a specific supplement other than their general disdain for all supplements. It would be different if they said something about that specific supplement, which i said
Did you have examples of supplements and pills which are in fact, effective for the vast majority of users and have a direct causal relationship to weight loss based on peer reviewed scientific studies? I saw a lot of comments about things you saw in threads that you thought were too sarcastic and generalistic but I'm struggling to understand why "it's snake oil, there are no miracle pills, save your money" is invalid advice?
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OP, as much as you don't like to hear that, but those things at best have barely any effect.
The only things that can have strong effects are illegal or prescription, and rightfully so, because of the dangerousness of changing your metabolism that much. Some of those illegal ones can straight up kill you if you have even a little too much.0 -
I'm sorry I just get annoyed that I've read so many questions about supplements, and people just cut and paste "only a calorie deficit works". Or instantly post the thing doesn't work and is snake oil and will only lean your pockets. People have posted about medical issues and that's the response without reading, i.e. "my doctor prescribed such and such for my bad liver. will it make me gain weight"? response: "there are no magic pills." smh.
I realize there are no pills that you eat whatever you want and live on the couch and lose 50 pounds a day. But some supplements might effectively curb your appetite, or give you the energy to work out, etc. and even if it is a placebo effect on some of them, so what? If you're eating better and working out more and blame the pill, what's the harm unless it's actually dangerous. I think posting that a supplement is snake oil without knowing anything about it is just as reckless as promoting something you know nothing about. Supplements obviously work for some people. I think it makes more sense to talk about specific research and what the pros and cons and potential dangers are rather than just jumping on people whenever they mention any sort of pill. If you don't know, you don't have to answer.
I completely agree with you OP.
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My point is that you're playing expert when you should be listening and learning from those who accomplished weight loss goals and even maintained that result.Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
No, but her ticker is stuck on ZERO pounds lost.did OP ever come back..?
Anybody have some good pills to recommend?
Yes i don't log my weight everyday. Stop the presses. Smh.
We've seen the pill people come and go.
Don't be that person who knows-it-all without the results which validate the fruit of your philosophy.
Many here have seen too many fail seeking that magic pill that makes you lose fat, gain muscle and win the lotto.
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queenliz99 wrote: »smh
Yes i knew it was pointless when i posted but it was rWinoGelato wrote: »OP is it your contention that no one should comment about the possible outcomes of an individual's idea if he or she doesn't have firsthand experience with that idea?
For example, I've never jumped out of an airplane without a parachute but I'm pretty sure I know what the outcome would be if someone wanted to try. Should I not tell them, and instead think, "nah, they will figure it out, why would they bother listening to me, I've never tried it"?
Direct experience is only one method of validating an outcome. The vast majority of researchers don't conduct the experiment on themselves, that would invalidate the data. Should they not comment on the efficacy of supplements or other pills since they've never tried them first hand?
It was a compound point regarding not commenting if you don't know about a product and not commenting just to be cute or sarcastic without any useful points. And many have no basis for comments on a specific supplement other than their general disdain for all supplements. It would be different if they said something about that specific supplement, which i said
But all the supplements pretty much claim the same BS and none work. I don't have to try them, I can just read the NIH scientific consensus, BECAUSE THATS WHAT SCIENCE IS FOR0 -
Limiting my comments specifically to weight loss supplements.....
British sports supplement researcher Dr. Ron Maughan was quoted as saying ' If it works it's banned. If it's not banned it probably doesn't work'
Case in point Ephedra.
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VintageFeline wrote: »OP, please show me where people have told those on prescribed medications for medical conditions to stop taking their (not at all snake oil) snake oil supplements? I've never witnessed it. Nor have I seen people told not to take vitamin and mineral supplements if they are still working on getting all they need through diet (I take some supplements myself).
What I do see is a lot of people advising others not to spend their hard earned money on things that are proven not to work to aid weight loss, whether it's a cleanse, raspeberry ketones, teatox, green tea, whatever. Just because you're still clinging onto the false hope that you don't just have to get a grip on your calorie intake doesn't make these products any less snakey or oily.
Really? Now I personally don't have a grip on my calorie intake? Ok yet another example of somebody commenting on something they know nothing about. Smh
You still want to believe some of these pills work, yes? Which generally indicates someone who hasn't yet got a grip on calorie intake because science. Anyone not losing weight is eating too much, full stop, end of story. I've been there, done that and am now losing, so I think I know a little of what I'm talking about.
I'm still waiting for examples where people have told others not to take their liver meds etc.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Jozzmenia have you tried any of these weight loss products, and have they made a dramatic difference to your weight loss?
Like I said, the only thing they did for me was make me poorer..
I've taken alot in my 35 years on earth the only ones to havr a significant memorable effect were metabolife and adipex in terms of pills. Finding a protein i liked was also a godsend for my weight loss. Had a trainer recommend lipo 6 black but told me to drink extra water because it's bad for the liver. Smh. I've done medical weight loss, weight watchers, and different shakes.
.....So if they worked, why are you here?
OK, some pills may 'dull' your appetite, but are they encouraging good eating habits? Most likely not-the minute you stop relying on the pills and go back to your usual eating habits, you will gain all that weight back, and maybe more. I really don't see how they can help in the long term, unless you are actively changing your habits, ad you can do that without the pills.0 -
Well, if you're absolutely set in your ways and wish to buy some expensive placebo I recommend homeopathic weight loss remedies. At least expensive water does not have the ability to turn your liver into mush.0
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Lots of things about weight loss pills scare me. First of all they are not regulated by the FDA, so there are all sorts of ingredients in there! Some of these supplements contain a drug called sibutramine. This was an FDA approved drug, but it was removed from the market because it cased heart problems and strokes. They can also contain concoctions of other drugs for things like high blood pressure, and depression. These drugs can have serious side effects if you do not have the condition they are prescribed for. There is a reason they are prescribed drugs! The FDA has also found some of these drugs in so called natural products like Garcinia cambogia.
I cannot, with a clean conscience, let anyone take these supplements without making sure they really know about the supplement. Just because they are on the shelf does not mean they are safe. There were over 30 public notifications and 7 product recalls of such supplements in 2014 alone.0 -
all I am going to say is google diet pill deaths...nuff said.0
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Lots of things about weight loss pills scare me. First of all they are not regulated by the FDA, so there are all sorts of ingredients in there!
This is one my biggest gripe with OTC weight loss supplements ( and even many vitamin companies). You don't really know what's in there. Wasn't it Hydroxycut who got in trouble a few years back because people were getting sick from ingredients that weren't on the label? I can't remember which one it was.0 -
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Read up about Clark Stanley, he is definitely a character!
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The scammers have been around a long, long time.
Just as long as the gullible.
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