WHO says my bacon is not good for me :-(
CurlyCockney
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Having recently found out that I can have bacon and eggs with baked beans every day and still keep my deficit, I've just read this report regarding processed meats increasing likelihood of colorectal cancer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34615621.
Could someone please put this into non-scaremongering terms for me, because I've just bought 3 packs on offer!
Could someone please put this into non-scaremongering terms for me, because I've just bought 3 packs on offer!
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My understanding was that this isn't about red meat as such, but about processed meat?0
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Keep in mind that WHO is largely a political organization.
Their chief concern is politics not health.
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echmainfit619 wrote: »Keep in mind that WHO is largely a political organization.
Their chief concern is politics not health.
I didn't realise that, thanks! I'll look into their motivation a bit more - when I've finished eating this ;-)
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Bacon isn't health food. You already knew that, right? You weren't thinking you were eating something incredibly healthy before, but you were okay with it then.
Now, you know a little more about why it isn't good for you. That's all that has changed. So, whatever you were thinking before doesn't have to change.
You just have to choose what you want to eat. I'm not going to say, "You must give up your bacon and eat only the healthiest of foods!" nor will I suggest that you should eat bacon because "Nobody could be happy without bacon!"
You have to figure out what you want and go with it.0 -
I read that your chances of getting colorectal cancer, for an average person, is about 5%. http://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/colorectal-cancer/risk-factors-and-prevention If it is true that bacon raises your risk by 18%, that would take you up to about 6%.
We make bacon and eggs every morning in my home. I'll risk that for bacon.0 -
I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!0
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echmainfit619 wrote: »Keep in mind that WHO is largely a political organization.
Their chief concern is politics not health.
It's not just WHO though:
Prof Tim Key, Cancer Research UK’s epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said: “Cancer Research UK supports IARC’s decision that there’s strong enough evidence to classify processed meat as a cause of cancer, and red meat as a probable cause of cancer.
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I read that your chances of getting colorectal cancer, for an average person, is about 5%. http://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/colorectal-cancer/risk-factors-and-prevention If it is true that bacon raises your risk by 18%, that would take you up to about 6%.
We make bacon and eggs every morning in my home. I'll risk that for bacon.
Thank you for putting it into perspective for me! I get checked a lot (I call my colorectal specialist team "The Bum Team" behind their backs), so I'll wait until they tell me that I'm not allowed bacon - and then argue ;-)0 -
i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
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i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
Your blood work tests for cancer every year?0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
Your blood work tests for cancer every year?
nope, I am just pointing out that bacon can be a part of a health diet.
and I have follow up tests every year for cancer due to the fact that I am a cancer survivor, and those come back clean too.0 -
i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
I'm only having two slices of back bacon a day (similar to what you probably call Canadian bacon), and it's the only processed meat I eat. And yes, it makes me happy so thank you too :-)0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
I'm only having two slices of back bacon a day (similar to what you probably call Canadian bacon), and it's the only processed meat I eat. And yes, it makes me happy so thank you too :-)
then you really have nothing to worry about.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
Your blood work tests for cancer every year?
nope, I am just pointing out that bacon can be a part of a health diet.
and I have follow up tests every year for cancer due to the fact that I am a cancer survivor, and those come back clean too.
That's more clear. Your N=1 OP suggested your blood tests tested cancer (colon cancer etc.)
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
Your blood work tests for cancer every year?
nope, I am just pointing out that bacon can be a part of a health diet.
and I have follow up tests every year for cancer due to the fact that I am a cancer survivor, and those come back clean too.
That's more clear. Your N=1 OP suggested your blood tests tested cancer (colon cancer etc.)
I never said that, you just implied it.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
Your blood work tests for cancer every year?
nope, I am just pointing out that bacon can be a part of a health diet.
and I have follow up tests every year for cancer due to the fact that I am a cancer survivor, and those come back clean too.
That's more clear. Your N=1 OP suggested your blood tests tested cancer (colon cancer etc.)
I never said that, you just implied it.
I inferred it, from what you implied with your post.0 -
I didn't take it as the blood test was for cancer FTR, but then the Bum Team have proved to me that it's more about prodding and poking than blood tests! Just to add, I have neurogenic bladder and bowel, so that's why I get tested a lot.0
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CurlyCockney wrote: »I didn't take it as the blood test was for cancer FTR, but then the Bum Team have proved to me that it's more about prodding and poking than blood tests! Just to add, I have neurogenic bladder and bowel, so that's why I get tested a lot.
Given your health concerns, it might be worth discussing with "the Bum Team". Great name!0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »CurlyCockney wrote: »I didn't take it as the blood test was for cancer FTR, but then the Bum Team have proved to me that it's more about prodding and poking than blood tests! Just to add, I have neurogenic bladder and bowel, so that's why I get tested a lot.
Given your health concerns, it might be worth discussing with "the Bum Team". Great name!
Will do, I'm seeing them early December - should have finished the 3 packs of bacon by then!0 -
At this point, they've just begin to find blood tests for cancer. Not all of the kinds of cancer can be detected by blood tests. Sometimes, the tests can't catch it until it's more advanced. When they can look, like they can up the bum, that's a huge plus.CurlyCockney wrote: »I didn't take it as the blood test was for cancer FTR, but then the Bum Team have proved to me that it's more about prodding and poking than blood tests! Just to add, I have neurogenic bladder and bowel, so that's why I get tested a lot.
We are just at the tip of the iceberg on detecting cancer...or even understanding it, for that matter. One day, they won't have to look. They'll find things in the blood or somewhere else. Biopsies have gotten so much easier! People used to have what they called "exploratory surgery" all the time. There weren't MRIs and CTs and easy biopsies. People would go in, the docs would cut them open and see what they could see.
We've come a long way, but still have a long way to go.
Your bum team (I love that term) is right.
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At this point, they've just begin to find blood tests for cancer. Not all of the kinds of cancer can be detected by blood tests. Sometimes, the tests can't catch it until it's more advanced. When they can look, like they can up the bum, that's a huge plus.CurlyCockney wrote: »I didn't take it as the blood test was for cancer FTR, but then the Bum Team have proved to me that it's more about prodding and poking than blood tests! Just to add, I have neurogenic bladder and bowel, so that's why I get tested a lot.
We are just at the tip of the iceberg on detecting cancer...or even understanding it, for that matter. One day, they won't have to look. They'll find things in the blood or somewhere else. Biopsies have gotten so much easier! People used to have what they called "exploratory surgery" all the time. There weren't MRIs and CTs and easy biopsies. People would go in, the docs would cut them open and see what they could see.
We've come a long way, but still have a long way to go.
Your bum team (I love that term) is right.
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i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
The WHO is pretty down to earth in terms of sugar, it's everyone else using the WHO recommendations to say "See, sugar is bad for you! WHO says so!" without context as to why they recommend lowish amounts of sugar. It's probably the same here.0 -
SwindonJogger wrote: »echmainfit619 wrote: »Keep in mind that WHO is largely a political organization.
Their chief concern is politics not health.
It's not just WHO though:
Prof Tim Key, Cancer Research UK’s epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, said: “Cancer Research UK supports IARC’s decision that there’s strong enough evidence to classify processed meat as a cause of cancer, and red meat as a probable cause of cancer.
Aye.
The biggest issue with the studies I have seen however is accurately discounting for overall lifestyle choices to reach those conclusions - for example people who eat less processed meat may also be generally more health conscious / active / more likely to undertake regular health screenings and so on.
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CurlyCockney wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »CurlyCockney wrote: »I didn't take it as the blood test was for cancer FTR, but then the Bum Team have proved to me that it's more about prodding and poking than blood tests! Just to add, I have neurogenic bladder and bowel, so that's why I get tested a lot.
Given your health concerns, it might be worth discussing with "the Bum Team". Great name!
Will do, I'm seeing them early December - should have finished the 3 packs of bacon by then!
LOL we'll be done three packs by Thursday.
Bum Team... LOL
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If you don't like bacon --- you are wrong - Eastcoast Jim0
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WHO is eating it wrong! :grumble:0
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If there is a food that doesn't raise your risk of something, you probably can't survive on it alone anyway. Junk science is probably one of the unhealthiest things you can take in.0
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I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm washing down a BLT with a diet coke.
Seriously, there's so many things in excess that can cause cancer or some other type of illness. I really don't eat bacon that often (maybe four or five times a year), it's not even a concern for me.0 -
What about switching to organic, uncured bacon? I imagine that is significantly healthier than your standard, nitrate laden bacon.0
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