WHO says my bacon is not good for me :-(
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Having prepared my own bacon (cured and uncured) I find the inclusion of bacon in the report of this study suspicious. Mankind has been smoking meats for thousands of years. Why would bacon get singled out versus other meats (chicken, beef, goat, etc...) We know bacon is a high fat food. Those of us who eat it, still do so knowing the risks.
I won't claim to have read the report. However, I feel moderately comfortable stating that the news agencies reporting it made some correlations without any empirical link to causation.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
http://www.applegate.com/products/organic-sunday-bacon/
sorry for Wikipedia, but it's quick:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celery_powder0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Having prepared my own bacon (cured and uncured) I find the inclusion of bacon in the report of this study suspicious. Mankind has been smoking meats for thousands of years. Why would bacon get singled out versus other meats (chicken, beef, goat, etc...)
I won't claim to have read the report. However, I feel moderately comfortable stating that the news agencies reporting it made some correlations without any empirical link to causation. We know bacon is a high fat food. Those of us who eat it, still do so knowing the risks.
It's not singled out. All processed meat is associated with cancer. Bacon is a popular meat so it's mentioned, but it's no worse/better than pepperoni, chorizo, ham, or other processed meats.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?0 -
I feel like this gif needs to be in this thread...and am shocked we're on page 5 and it isn't in here yet.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf0 -
So let me get this right.......... By NOT eating processed meats I simply improve my chance of NOT getting colon cancer by 1%???????
Please, kindly pass the bacon while I weigh the pros/cons....
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.
Now that food sources can be varied we lose the perspective of how important to human survival the discovery of curing meat was for food safety.
The curing process makes those products A LOT safer overall, as bacterial growth on meat (and its inhibition increasing shelf life) is a huge food safety issue, certainly more important than cancer...
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amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
Right.. because a seedless orange is bound to kill me.
And there has not been any credible study to suggest gmo is bad. But if you have a non Monsanto study i am always interested.0 -
amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
Right.. because a seedless orange is bound to kill me.
And there has not been any credible study to suggest gmo is bad. But if you have a non Monsanto study i am always interested.
I don't think seedless oranges are GMO0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.
Now that food sources can be varied we lose the perspective of how important to human survival the discovery of curing meat was for food safety.
The curing process makes those products A LOT safer overall, as bacterial growth on meat (and its inhibition increasing shelf life) is a huge food safety issue, certainly more important than cancer...
I'm sure it was and probably still is in some areas, but times have changed.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.
Now that food sources can be varied we lose the perspective of how important to human survival the discovery of curing meat was for food safety.
The curing process makes those products A LOT safer overall, as bacterial growth on meat (and its inhibition increasing shelf life) is a huge food safety issue, certainly more important than cancer...
I'm sure it was and probably still is in some areas, but times have changed.
Yes, now we have the advanced sophisticated technology of refrigeration, which means you should go back to as primitive as possible ways to store your meat and keep it as un-sophisticated and unprocessed as possible.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.
Now that food sources can be varied we lose the perspective of how important to human survival the discovery of curing meat was for food safety.
The curing process makes those products A LOT safer overall, as bacterial growth on meat (and its inhibition increasing shelf life) is a huge food safety issue, certainly more important than cancer...
I'm sure it was and probably still is in some areas, but times have changed.
Yes, now we have the advanced sophisticated technology of refrigeration, which means you should go back to as primitive as possible ways to store your meat and keep it as un-sophisticated and unprocessed as possible.
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As Professor Phillips explains, “IARC does ‘hazard identification’, not ‘risk assessment’.
“That sounds quite technical, but what it means is that IARC isn’t in the business of telling us how potent something is in causing cancer – only whether it does so or not”, he says.
To take an analogy, think of banana skins. They definitely can cause accidents, explains Phillips, but in practice this doesn’t happen very often (unless you work in a banana factory). And the sort of harm you can come to from slipping on a banana skin isn’t generally as severe as, say, being in a car accident.
But under a hazard identification system like IARC’s, ‘banana skins’ and ‘cars’ would come under the same category – they both definitely do cause accidents.
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.
Now that food sources can be varied we lose the perspective of how important to human survival the discovery of curing meat was for food safety.
The curing process makes those products A LOT safer overall, as bacterial growth on meat (and its inhibition increasing shelf life) is a huge food safety issue, certainly more important than cancer...
I'm sure it was and probably still is in some areas, but times have changed.
Yes, now we have the advanced sophisticated technology of refrigeration, which means you should go back to as primitive as possible ways to store your meat and keep it as un-sophisticated and unprocessed as possible.
Why?
I don't know, I'm an advocate of sarcasm, rather than an advocate of whole, unprocessed, unrefined, not convenience (would that be inconvenience?), organic, non-GMO verified foods.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
also, it still includes ingredients with a lot of nitrates.
Would organic contain added nitrates? Has nitrates been identified as the carcinogen?
Celery powder. In organic bacon and hot dogs. "natural" nitrates.
Does all organic bacon contain celery powder or some other form of added nitrate? Is it comparable in risk or makeup to whatever nitrates are added to your run of the mill bacon?
comparable. Also, "uncured" is misleading as organic products cured with celery powder can be labeled "uncured".
http://fyi.uwex.edu/meats/files/2012/02/Nitrate-and-nitrite-in-cured-meat_10-18-2012.pdf
Interesting. I think things like this are why some people would rather just stick to whole natural foods.
Now that food sources can be varied we lose the perspective of how important to human survival the discovery of curing meat was for food safety.
The curing process makes those products A LOT safer overall, as bacterial growth on meat (and its inhibition increasing shelf life) is a huge food safety issue, certainly more important than cancer...
I'm sure it was and probably still is in some areas, but times have changed.
Yes, now we have the advanced sophisticated technology of refrigeration, which means you should go back to as primitive as possible ways to store your meat and keep it as un-sophisticated and unprocessed as possible.
Why?
I don't know, I'm an advocate of sarcasm, rather than an advocate of whole, unprocessed, unrefined, not convenience (would that be inconvenience?), organic, non-GMO verified foods.
Not sure what that has to do with storing meat, but since we're sharing, I'm rather a fan of both.0 -
Wetcoaster wrote: »As Professor Phillips explains, “IARC does ‘hazard identification’, not ‘risk assessment’.
“That sounds quite technical, but what it means is that IARC isn’t in the business of telling us how potent something is in causing cancer – only whether it does so or not”, he says.
To take an analogy, think of banana skins. They definitely can cause accidents, explains Phillips, but in practice this doesn’t happen very often (unless you work in a banana factory). And the sort of harm you can come to from slipping on a banana skin isn’t generally as severe as, say, being in a car accident.
But under a hazard identification system like IARC’s, ‘banana skins’ and ‘cars’ would come under the same category – they both definitely do cause accidents.
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/
Get out of here with your common sense.
I like this perspective a lot.0 -
All things in moderation. Balanced diet. Active lifestyle. No smoking. Social drinker. Live life to the fullest. And love. I really think that's the best we can do. I'm not going to worry about every little thing that is linked to cancer. I'll stick with my almost daily 2 strips of bacon, pork chops, sausages and hot dogs, and ham on occasion.
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