WHO says my bacon is not good for me :-(
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OneHundredToLose wrote: »I love the argument "If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it". Half the people I see posting on here would die of starvation.
Not to mention that literally every food has the chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide in it. Watch out! Scary chemicals will kill you!
That's awesome. People forget that literally everything we eat is chemicals. In fact everything is chemicals. You're chemicals. I'm chemicals. We're all just a bunch of chemistry that figured out how to talk.0 -
Of all the wacky things I see and hear, this is my least favorite. Even if you exclude people who can pronounce long words that others aren't familiar with, it still doesn't make sense.OneHundredToLose wrote: »I love the argument "If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it".
We can all pronounce gasoline. That doesn't make it safe to ingest.
The business of basing your diet on your ability to pronounce words makes absolutely no sense.
But, lots of things people do make no sense, so it doesn't really matter. It's just the one that irks me.
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CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
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CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I dislike the "good and bad" food mentality as much as anybody, and I love me some plain steamed brussel sprouts
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CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
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CurlyCockney wrote: »Oh wow, lots of responses here! Thank you everyone! Just to clarify, I wasn't worried I'd get cancer from 2 rashers of bacon. It was more about my circumstances + bacon + frustration because I'd forgotten how much I love bacon until recently.
As (bad) luck would have it, I've been at the hospital most of today and part of it was with a dietician - who said I have to cut back on bacon anyway. Nothing to do with cancer though; I was seeing her about newly-diagnosed prediabetes. She didn't say I have to cut it out completely, just not have it every day (as well as spreading my food out more, somethingsomething glycemic load - I'm very tired and can't remember it all). She's very happy with what I'm eating other than that though, including my lovely lovely carbs, and is delighted at my 26lb loss :-)
I'm prediabetic too so I'm wondering why she would want to to cut back on bacon. Fat and moderate amounts of protein don't do anything bad to blood glucose levels, and may even lower it.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »Oh wow, lots of responses here! Thank you everyone! Just to clarify, I wasn't worried I'd get cancer from 2 rashers of bacon. It was more about my circumstances + bacon + frustration because I'd forgotten how much I love bacon until recently.
As (bad) luck would have it, I've been at the hospital most of today and part of it was with a dietician - who said I have to cut back on bacon anyway. Nothing to do with cancer though; I was seeing her about newly-diagnosed prediabetes. She didn't say I have to cut it out completely, just not have it every day (as well as spreading my food out more, somethingsomething glycemic load - I'm very tired and can't remember it all). She's very happy with what I'm eating other than that though, including my lovely lovely carbs, and is delighted at my 26lb loss :-)
I'm prediabetic too so I'm wondering why she would want to to cut back on bacon. Fat and moderate amounts of protein don't do anything bad to blood glucose levels, and may even lower it.
I think there is a link between eating more saturated vs unsaturated fat and increasing risk for diabetes. Maybe the idea was to increase unsaturated fat by cutting down on animal fat?0 -
Nice analysis of the WHO processed/red meats thing: http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/0
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My mom is a colon cancer survivor.
The great thing about colon cancer is it is easily detectable and pretty treatable (as long as you are ok living with no colon for the rest of your life ). I am a vegetarian so I have no hat in the bacon ring, but my general opinion from what I know about colon, which sadly is a lot, is that if you are making unhealthy colon choices, you better be prepared to poop your brains out for 24 hours and then have them rotoroot you the minute you turn 50, and then regularly after that.
What you eat has nothing to do with getting a colonoscopy at age 50. That's the medical recommendation for everyone.0 -
Just read this article this morning. Thought it might help.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-the-who-report-mean-for-your-meat-eating-habit/#more-577110 -
OneHundredToLose wrote: »You can be an absolute health nut and only ever eat organic, grass-fed grass and bathe in hand sanitizer every night and still get cancer. Or you can be a guy who smokes 4 packs a day and only eats steak and grease and never get cancer.
While this is true, many people like to know how to play the odds in their favor.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I dislike the "good and bad" food mentality as much as anybody, and I love me some plain steamed brussel sprouts
I've lost faith in you entirely. Steamed vegetables are an invention of the devil. Roasted brussel sprouts are amazing. Add bacon, mmm. Sometimes it's a risk I'm willing to take.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I dislike the "good and bad" food mentality as much as anybody, and I love me some plain steamed brussel sprouts
I've lost faith in you entirely. Steamed vegetables are an invention of the devil. Roasted brussel sprouts are amazing. Add bacon, mmm. Sometimes it's a risk I'm willing to take.
Bacon and roasted Brussels sprouts is absolutely one of my favorite foods. NOM.0 -
Brussel sprouts with grapes, fig jam, walnuts and mint yogurt. Topping it with a little bacon wont hurt you.
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mattyc772014 wrote: »Brussel sprouts with grapes, fig jam, walnuts and mint yogurt. Topping it with a little bacon wont hurt you.
I. Just. Can't. Except for the bacon...
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OneHundredToLose wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »I love the argument "If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it". Half the people I see posting on here would die of starvation.
Not to mention that literally every food has the chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide in it. Watch out! Scary chemicals will kill you!
That's awesome. People forget that literally everything we eat is chemicals. In fact everything is chemicals. You're chemicals. I'm chemicals. We're all just a bunch of chemistry that figured out how to talk.
When talking about food labels this is fairly irrelevant. Chemicals naturally found in food will not be on the ingredient label. If blueberries are an ingredient, the label will say "blueberries" not list out every chemical that blueberries contained. So, if there are chemicals listed on a food label they are chemicals that were added by man. It is these added chemicals that many people want to avoid or limit.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I used to respect you...but brussel sprout hate?? C'mon man!
Now if you replace that with Kale, then maybe you're on to something!0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I used to respect you...but brussel sprout hate?? C'mon man!
Now if you replace that with Kale, then maybe you're on to something!
You're both crazy. They're all delicious.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »I love the argument "If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it". Half the people I see posting on here would die of starvation.
Not to mention that literally every food has the chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide in it. Watch out! Scary chemicals will kill you!
That's awesome. People forget that literally everything we eat is chemicals. In fact everything is chemicals. You're chemicals. I'm chemicals. We're all just a bunch of chemistry that figured out how to talk.
When talking about food labels this is fairly irrelevant. Chemicals naturally found in food will not be on the ingredient label. If blueberries are an ingredient, the label will say "blueberries" not list out every chemical that blueberries contained. So, if there are chemicals listed on a food label they are chemicals that were added by man. It is these added chemicals that many people want to avoid or limit.
But why would people seeking to avoid a chemical because it shows up in the label, suddenly be okay with the chemical appearing in a different food without a label because it occurs there naturally?
Why is the same molecule okay naturally, but wrong if people intentionally put it there? Does nature have some kind of molecular feng shui that it does that man can't?0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I dislike the "good and bad" food mentality as much as anybody, and I love me some plain steamed brussel sprouts
I've lost faith in you entirely. Steamed vegetables are an invention of the devil. Roasted brussel sprouts are amazing. Add bacon, mmm. Sometimes it's a risk I'm willing to take.
Bacon and roasted Brussels sprouts is absolutely one of my favorite foods. NOM.
I usually don't add bacon now, but my realization that I love brussels sprouts was almost certainly due to trying them years ago in a delicious dish at Thanksgiving involving bacon.
So for those who argue that there's no health reason for bacon, that's my answer -- it can help someone start on a love affair with brussels sprouts. I do not believe chicken breast would have worked as well.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »I love the argument "If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it". Half the people I see posting on here would die of starvation.
Not to mention that literally every food has the chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide in it. Watch out! Scary chemicals will kill you!
That's awesome. People forget that literally everything we eat is chemicals. In fact everything is chemicals. You're chemicals. I'm chemicals. We're all just a bunch of chemistry that figured out how to talk.
When talking about food labels this is fairly irrelevant. Chemicals naturally found in food will not be on the ingredient label. If blueberries are an ingredient, the label will say "blueberries" not list out every chemical that blueberries contained. So, if there are chemicals listed on a food label they are chemicals that were added by man. It is these added chemicals that many people want to avoid or limit.
But why would people seeking to avoid a chemical because it shows up in the label, suddenly be okay with the chemical appearing in a different food without a label because it occurs there naturally?
Why is the same molecule okay naturally, but wrong if people intentionally put it there? Does nature have some kind of molecular feng shui that it does that man can't?
I think many believe that it does. Or it's probably more correct to say that they believe it's more likely to.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »You can be an absolute health nut and only ever eat organic, grass-fed grass and bathe in hand sanitizer every night and still get cancer. Or you can be a guy who smokes 4 packs a day and only eats steak and grease and never get cancer.
While this is true, many people like to know how to play the odds in their favor.
I agree and can understand that, but it's silly to think you can just avoid getting cancer by cutting out one or two substances.0 -
http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/FoodAdditivesIngredients/ucm094211.htm#how
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153292/
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/277714512_EFFECTS_OF_FOOD_ADDITIVES_AND_PRESERVATIVES_ON_MAN-A_REVIEW
I found these interesting about the tolerable levels of food toxicity in natural and synthetic occurrences0 -
OneHundredToLose wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »You can be an absolute health nut and only ever eat organic, grass-fed grass and bathe in hand sanitizer every night and still get cancer. Or you can be a guy who smokes 4 packs a day and only eats steak and grease and never get cancer.
While this is true, many people like to know how to play the odds in their favor.
I agree and can understand that, but it's silly to think you can just avoid getting cancer by cutting out one or two substances.
Of course, and while I'm sure there are a few who believe that, I doubt it's the majority. I don't really see how paying heed to information like this is so different from losing weight for health. Being thin is no guarantee of health, it just lowers risk of disease.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »My mom is a colon cancer survivor.
The great thing about colon cancer is it is easily detectable and pretty treatable (as long as you are ok living with no colon for the rest of your life ). I am a vegetarian so I have no hat in the bacon ring, but my general opinion from what I know about colon, which sadly is a lot, is that if you are making unhealthy colon choices, you better be prepared to poop your brains out for 24 hours and then have them rotoroot you the minute you turn 50, and then regularly after that.
What you eat has nothing to do with getting a colonoscopy at age 50. That's the medical recommendation for everyone.
Right, but if you are at an elevated risk you might want to make sure you actually do it. Half of people do not get one at 50 (NYT says only 55% of people up to age 65 get one!) because they aren't exactly fun.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »My mom is a colon cancer survivor.
The great thing about colon cancer is it is easily detectable and pretty treatable (as long as you are ok living with no colon for the rest of your life ). I am a vegetarian so I have no hat in the bacon ring, but my general opinion from what I know about colon, which sadly is a lot, is that if you are making unhealthy colon choices, you better be prepared to poop your brains out for 24 hours and then have them rotoroot you the minute you turn 50, and then regularly after that.
What you eat has nothing to do with getting a colonoscopy at age 50. That's the medical recommendation for everyone.
Right, but if you are at an elevated risk you might want to make sure you actually do it. Half of people do not get one at 50 (NYT says only 55% of people up to age 65 get one!) because they aren't exactly fun.
The hype is worse than the test or the prep. Who doesn't like a good cleanse?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »I love the argument "If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it". Half the people I see posting on here would die of starvation.
Not to mention that literally every food has the chemical DiHydrogen Monoxide in it. Watch out! Scary chemicals will kill you!
That's awesome. People forget that literally everything we eat is chemicals. In fact everything is chemicals. You're chemicals. I'm chemicals. We're all just a bunch of chemistry that figured out how to talk.
When talking about food labels this is fairly irrelevant. Chemicals naturally found in food will not be on the ingredient label. If blueberries are an ingredient, the label will say "blueberries" not list out every chemical that blueberries contained. So, if there are chemicals listed on a food label they are chemicals that were added by man. It is these added chemicals that many people want to avoid or limit.
But why would people seeking to avoid a chemical because it shows up in the label, suddenly be okay with the chemical appearing in a different food without a label because it occurs there naturally?
Why is the same molecule okay naturally, but wrong if people intentionally put it there? Does nature have some kind of molecular feng shui that it does that man can't?
I think many believe that it does. Or it's probably more correct to say that they believe it's more likely to.
People believe a lot of stupid things.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I don't think of foods in terms of healthy or unhealthy usually. As long as I'm hitting my personal goals it's all good, and if I'm hitting those goals it's healthy for me. I guess this one just hit me a bit more because I've literally only just figured out how to fit it into my day (smaller portions, poached instead of fried egg, microwaved bacon). But you're right, the only thing that's changed is knowledge. I just wanted someone to say "it's ok, eat the bacon" I guess LOL!
What? You have to think of foods in terms of healthy or not because if you don't then you are just walking around with blinders on. Just because something fits into your macros doesn't mean that it's okay to eat, especially every day. You are just kidding yourself by thinking this way.
Please list some foods that are not ok to eat. And also please explain how they are not healthy assuming one is meeting micro and macronutrients needs.
Califlower and brussel sprout... because no matter how you make them, they are horrible.
I dislike the "good and bad" food mentality as much as anybody, and I love me some plain steamed brussel sprouts
I've lost faith in you entirely. Steamed vegetables are an invention of the devil. Roasted brussel sprouts are amazing. Add bacon, mmm. Sometimes it's a risk I'm willing to take.
add brown sugar and balsamic vinegar along with that bacon and now we're talking.0
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