WHO says my bacon is not good for me :-(
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i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.0 -
GirlNGlasses wrote: »I personally believe processed and smoked foods arent healthy. But colonoscopy well show you quite literally if there is anything to be concerned about there. Plus you get to show people the pictures to prove that your head really isnt up there. Win win!
so if your get adequate nutrition and hit macros and eat processed foods you are are not healthy???
You can have adequate nutrition, hit your macros, never eat processed food and smoke.
Smoking still puts you at increased risk for cancer.
You can be a non-smoker, with "perfect" nutrition, be regularly exposed to direct sunlight without protection, and you are again at increased risk for cancer, regardless of your other habits.
WHO did not report that processed meat affects your macros. It reported it increases your risk for cancer.
You can chose to ignore the reports, same as many people prefer to ignore warnings about smoking or about sunbathing. It comes down to priorities and the risks one is willing to take. It does not discredit the reports.
so now you are saying that I should never go in the sun, because sun cancer?
should I also not swim in the ocean, because sharks?
You totally missed the point that I was making, which is that you can eat processed foods, get adequate nutrition, and hit you macros and ones diet is still healthy.0 -
What I am getting from these discussions is that everything increases my chance of getting cancer.0
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »aflatoxin B1 contamination for both corn and peanuts (counts as much as nitrogen added to cured meats if you ask me).
Contamination is usually low (almost always within established safety limits), but ubiquitous in those foods.
There's little political pressure to quantify their increase in excess cancers, so little to no press, though there's no doubt AFB1 is one of the most toxic and cancer causing compounds humans are regularly exposed to.
Aflatoxins are not part of processing peanuts or grains for consumption, they are a result of contamination. And in most countries there are supposed to be regulations and contaminated products discarded.
Other things in the same cancer causing category as meat:
Being a painter
Being an Iron worker
or a wood worker
or a shoemaker
eating salted fish (chinese style)
drinking alcohol
getting X-rays done or going out into the sun (UV rays)
oral and hormonal contraceptives
Some professions are indeed increasing a person's overall risk of cancer. Which is also reason why there are often safety measures (protective garments, ventilation, short shifts, early retirement etc).
Foods and drinks other than meat have been also associated with increased risk of cancer depending on amounts consumed, which is why there are also recommendations about how much and how often is safe to consume these things.
X-rays are known to cause cancer, which why they are to be avoided when not necessary (I have never heard of anyone having X-rays for fun).
Unlimited exposure to sun is known to cause cancer for several decades now.
Hormonal contraceptives, and other hormonal treatments are known also to increase risk of cancer, which is why there are regulations, labs tests etc.
So what do you mean? Having processed meats in the same category as UV rays and X-rays is not really a comforting thought for people who enjoy their bacon!
I mean you don't stop going out in the sun to avoid rising your cancer risk, going out into the sun is even encouraged for health. It's the dose that matters as always.
No debate there. Which is why the report also states numbers. Something like 50 grams of processed meat daily increasing risk of bowel cancer by 18%. I am guessing that this means that e.g. 2 slices of processed meat once per month would put one at a much lower risk.
"For an individual, the risk of developing colorectal (bowel) cancer because of their consumption of processed meat remains small, but this risk increases with the amount of meat consumed," Dr Kurt Straif from the WHO said.
Do you know if there was any correlation done with those who had colorectal cancer and fiber intake? I would suspect that if you eat a diet high in vitamins, minerals and fiber, that would significantly reduce that increase of processed meats.
This is an important point that many overlook, I think. Processed meats increase risk of colon cancer. Other things reduce that risk. It seems smart to me to balance in favor of the good, which is not the same as totally avoiding the bad.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »aflatoxin B1 contamination for both corn and peanuts (counts as much as nitrogen added to cured meats if you ask me).
Contamination is usually low (almost always within established safety limits), but ubiquitous in those foods.
There's little political pressure to quantify their increase in excess cancers, so little to no press, though there's no doubt AFB1 is one of the most toxic and cancer causing compounds humans are regularly exposed to.
Aflatoxins are not part of processing peanuts or grains for consumption, they are a result of contamination. And in most countries there are supposed to be regulations and contaminated products discarded.
Other things in the same cancer causing category as meat:
Being a painter
Being an Iron worker
or a wood worker
or a shoemaker
eating salted fish (chinese style)
drinking alcohol
getting X-rays done or going out into the sun (UV rays)
oral and hormonal contraceptives
Some professions are indeed increasing a person's overall risk of cancer. Which is also reason why there are often safety measures (protective garments, ventilation, short shifts, early retirement etc).
Foods and drinks other than meat have been also associated with increased risk of cancer depending on amounts consumed, which is why there are also recommendations about how much and how often is safe to consume these things.
X-rays are known to cause cancer, which why they are to be avoided when not necessary (I have never heard of anyone having X-rays for fun).
Unlimited exposure to sun is known to cause cancer for several decades now.
Hormonal contraceptives, and other hormonal treatments are known also to increase risk of cancer, which is why there are regulations, labs tests etc.
So what do you mean? Having processed meats in the same category as UV rays and X-rays is not really a comforting thought for people who enjoy their bacon!
Technically, everyone who's had a DEXA scan to determine their body fat percentage with increased accuracy is getting x-rays for fun.0 -
i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?
because it is impossible to point to one cause of cancer as some people may be genetically more inclined to getting cancer and processed food would have nothing to do with that. Unless, you want to claim that processed foods now affect genetics?
take the example of skin cancer. You can have moles that are never exposed to sunlight and they still develop into a melanoma, because of ones family history or other factors.0 -
GirlNGlasses wrote: »
RIGHT!?! So this reminds me of a conversation I was having with my OB/GYN. I guess I was diagnosed with HPV at 30, which I got as a teenager (before they knew what it was) and my doc said it could cause cervical cancer. I begged him to just take it all cause I was done having kids. He refused of course but my point was that if I didn't have a cervix, I couldn't get cervical cancer, right? I thought it was logical. LOL0 -
I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
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Luckily for me, I can pronounce all the items in Oscar Meyer bacon.0
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amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
so you don't eat chicken either, because processed?0 -
amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
Just FYI...they replace the "artificial" nitrates/nitrites with celery powder (which is high in nitrates) in organic bacon
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ORLY?amberlyda1 wrote: »Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer.I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find.
On the contrary, they are impossible to find because they don't exist.I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
So if you're illiterate, you can't eat anything?
ONOEZ!!!! Sodium ascorbate!!!! Don't put that in your body, because Vitamin C is so terrible for you.
Wait, wut?
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amberlyda1 wrote: »If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
Am I allowed to guess? What if I look it up in the dictionary? Am I good then?
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amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
can you pronounce all the ingredients in an apple?0 -
I'm still trying to figure out which of those ingredients are supposed to be difficult to pronounce.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?
because it is impossible to point to one cause of cancer as some people may be genetically more inclined to getting cancer and processed food would have nothing to do with that. Unless, you want to claim that processed foods now affect genetics?
take the example of skin cancer. You can have moles that are never exposed to sunlight and they still develop into a melanoma, because of ones family history or other factors.
But they aren't saying it is guaranteed to cause cancer or that it is the only cause of cancer. Personally, I appreciate that they share information on foods that are carcinogenic. Why would anyone not want to know this information?0 -
amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
can you pronounce all the ingredients in an apple?
Is it Po-TAY-to or Po-TAH-to?
Does my answer change whether or not I may consume it?0 -
I once had someone tell me that if you can't pronounce it, your body can't process it.
I thought it was horrible that I got fat just because I'm a cunning linguist, but people that can't pronounce sucrose get to eat all the cake they want calorie free.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?
because it is impossible to point to one cause of cancer as some people may be genetically more inclined to getting cancer and processed food would have nothing to do with that. Unless, you want to claim that processed foods now affect genetics?
take the example of skin cancer. You can have moles that are never exposed to sunlight and they still develop into a melanoma, because of ones family history or other factors.
But they aren't saying it is guaranteed to cause cancer or that it is the only cause of cancer. Personally, I appreciate that they share information on foods that are carcinogenic. Why would anyone not want to know this information?
because then people like the OP think they are going to get cancer if they eat two strips of bacon a day...
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
can you pronounce all the ingredients in an apple?
Is it Po-TAY-to or Po-TAH-to?
Does my answer change whether or not I may consume it?
you are forever banned from eating apples...0 -
amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
Is there any data showing organic bacon is less carcinogenic than non-organic?
Curing and smoking changes meat, even if it's done naturally and organically. It is just as much a science experiment as synthetic food additives.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?
because it is impossible to point to one cause of cancer as some people may be genetically more inclined to getting cancer and processed food would have nothing to do with that. Unless, you want to claim that processed foods now affect genetics?
take the example of skin cancer. You can have moles that are never exposed to sunlight and they still develop into a melanoma, because of ones family history or other factors.
But they aren't saying it is guaranteed to cause cancer or that it is the only cause of cancer. Personally, I appreciate that they share information on foods that are carcinogenic. Why would anyone not want to know this information?
because then people like the OP think they are going to get cancer if they eat two strips of bacon a day...
I don't see anything in the OP that suggests that, but even if it were true I don't see how it would be relevant. It sounds as though you are suggesting public health organizations should only share information that will be correctly interpreted by every person on Earth. THAT would be ridiculous.0 -
I once had someone tell me that if you can't pronounce it, your body can't process it.
I thought it was horrible that I got fat just because I'm a cunning linguist, but people that can't pronounce sucrose get to eat all the cake they want calorie free.
Is it only the sucrose in cake that makes us fat?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »i eat two strips a day and blood work comes back perfect every year.
sounds more food fear mongering by the folks over at WHO, just like they do with sugar.
Also, a lot of things are related to colon cancer, and I would be curious to read the entire study, and that article does not link to it.
eat your bacon and be happy. If you were eating a package a day then you might have something to worry about.
/sigh the who did not do a study. They analyzed around 800 studies. This isn't based off one study. I think a lot of people just read the title without actually reading what the WHO released. Blood work does not generally test for cancer, only one I know off hand is prostate, admittedly not an oncology nurses. Most is detected through other means.
i never said blood work tested for cancer….my point is that bacon can be part of a healthy overall diet…
A lot of factors lead to cancer and singling out one is utterly ridiculous. I would like to review the studies to see what was actually studied, without that the information in the article is useless.
I was not aware that there was a report saying that eating processed meat is the one and only factor contributing to cancer. Are you sure you are referring to the same report?
where in any of my quotes did I say that?
My point is that to try to point to one cause of cancer is ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous?
because it is impossible to point to one cause of cancer as some people may be genetically more inclined to getting cancer and processed food would have nothing to do with that. Unless, you want to claim that processed foods now affect genetics?
take the example of skin cancer. You can have moles that are never exposed to sunlight and they still develop into a melanoma, because of ones family history or other factors.
But they aren't saying it is guaranteed to cause cancer or that it is the only cause of cancer. Personally, I appreciate that they share information on foods that are carcinogenic. Why would anyone not want to know this information?
because then people like the OP think they are going to get cancer if they eat two strips of bacon a day...
I don't see anything in the OP that suggests that, but even if it were true I don't see how it would be relevant. It sounds as though you are suggesting public health organizations should only share information that will be correctly interpreted by every person on Earth. THAT would be ridiculous.
to review, here is OP's OP:
"Having recently found out that I can have bacon and eggs with baked beans every day and still keep my deficit, I've just read this report regarding processed meats increasing likelihood of colorectal cancer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34615621.
Could someone please put this into non-scaremongering terms for me, because I've just bought 3 packs on offer!"
so OP obviously had some fear from the report...
And please find the direct quote where I said anything about public health organizations only sharing certain information that can only be interpreted by everyone. I simply said that there are many factors that lead to cancer. Please stop trying to attribute quotes to me that I have never made.0 -
Tastes like chicken? just kidding...tastes like salted from the gods goodness...lol0
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »amberlyda1 wrote: »I love my organic bacon! Its not so much the bacon and meat...its the processing. Lots of people will defend processed foods, diet sodas, GMo etc. They will say they are totally safe. I personally believe that our bodies were not designed to handle and metabolize these science experiments we are putting into our bodies. Study after study has come out and shown that some of these artificial ingredients cause cancer or significantly up our chances of getting cancer. I dont have time to pull them up right now, but the studies are easy to find. I pulled up a snap shot of Oscar myer bacon ingredients. If you cant pronounce it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
can you pronounce all the ingredients in an apple?
Is it Po-TAY-to or Po-TAH-to?
Does my answer change whether or not I may consume it?
you are forever banned from eating apples...
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