There are 'BAD' foods
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
My wife struggles with Worcestershire sauce.
Instead of "worce-ster-shire," it'll come out "wor-Chester-shire" if she doesn't stop to think about it.
I went to college in MA. They have even more whacked out ways of pronouncing it. Wiister.
It's basically wouster or maybe worster.
I grew up in western MA. (Thankfully. I cannot stand Boston speak.) It's Wistah. No "R" in the Boston language, apparently. And Gloucester is Glostah.
In SC we have a county called Horry county and the first time I pronounced it at work after I moved here, everyone laughed at me (in fun, they weren't meanies). Apparently, the "H" is silent, so it's pronounced Orry.
I took some paper, wrote down Worcester and Gloucester and asked them to pronounce them. Who's laughing now? LOL0 -
I remember asking where LEO-minster was when I was up there years ago. When folks said do you mean "LEN mistah" I had no idea what the hell they were saying.0
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I love odd ways to pronounce words
Try and do Featherstonehaugh :bigsmile:0 -
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Morning turtle
It's Fanshaw by the way .. chuckles0 -
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Don't use government pronouncements as a basis for foods that are "good", "bad", or otherwise.
Those statements are not based on science, they are based in Politics. Everything they say and do is the result of a lobbyist writing a check.
THIS! Read Health at Every Size and you'll quickly realise how much of the 'healthy guidelines' we're given is complete crap.0 -
Health at every size
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Don't use government pronouncements as a basis for foods that are "good", "bad", or otherwise.
Those statements are not based on science, they are based in Politics. Everything they say and do is the result of a lobbyist writing a check.
THIS! Read Health at Every Size and you'll quickly realise how much of the 'healthy guidelines' we're given is complete crap.
Health at Any Size. Take a look at this. Obesity rates are lower for people over 65+ than those 45-64 and in many cases lower than those 26-44. Did all the 65+ suddenly decide to watch their diet and start exercising or are the obese dying off faster? Early death is usually not a sign of good health.
http://stateofobesity.org/obesity-by-age/0 -
allaboutthefood wrote: »Some people may feel there are no "bad" foods but there is a difference in the amount of food you can eat, bad vs good. I believe that yes some foods are better for you than others, doesn't matter if they fit within your calories or not. But everyone has the right to their opinion and everyone can eat what they want. rhttp://shareably.net/this-is-what-200-calories-of-food-looks-like/
calorie dense does not equal bad, it just means it has more calories.
what matter is ones overall diet and meeting micro, macro, and calorie targets.0 -
MommyL2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
My wife struggles with Worcestershire sauce.
Instead of "worce-ster-shire," it'll come out "wor-Chester-shire" if she doesn't stop to think about it.
I went to college in MA. They have even more whacked out ways of pronouncing it. Wiister.
It's basically wouster or maybe worster.
I grew up in western MA. (Thankfully. I cannot stand Boston speak.) It's Wistah. No "R" in the Boston language, apparently. And Gloucester is Glostah.
Oh, right. I forgot to indicate the dropping of the second r!
Of course, probably best not to get into the pronunciation of Versailles, IL (or KY or OH) or, cringe, Cairo, IL, among many others.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »MommyL2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
My wife struggles with Worcestershire sauce.
Instead of "worce-ster-shire," it'll come out "wor-Chester-shire" if she doesn't stop to think about it.
I went to college in MA. They have even more whacked out ways of pronouncing it. Wiister.
It's basically wouster or maybe worster.
I grew up in western MA. (Thankfully. I cannot stand Boston speak.) It's Wistah. No "R" in the Boston language, apparently. And Gloucester is Glostah.
Oh, right. I forgot to indicate the dropping of the second r!
Of course, probably best not to get into the pronunciation of Versailles, IL (or KY or OH) or, cringe, Cairo, IL, among many others.
Everyone I know pronounces it Woostah Sauce, similar to the third audio down here http://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/worcestershire-sauce
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diannethegeek wrote: »Do I need to go back to page 7 and read from where I left off or can I assume I know how this went
Highlights reel anyone ?
There was some interesting talk, imo, about the nature of words and how we talk about things somewhere around page 17. But no one wanted to talk about that. Mostly it's the same old arguments again and again just like every other thread like this.
And Carlos posted a cool story about his parents and M&Ms. I think it was M&Ms, anyway.
eta: I should have read the rest of the thread, as that had already been pointed out.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
My wife struggles with Worcestershire sauce.
Instead of "worce-ster-shire," it'll come out "wor-Chester-shire" if she doesn't stop to think about it.
I went to college in MA. They have even more whacked out ways of pronouncing it. Wiister.
It's basically wouster or maybe worster.
I found this on the webz, LOL
http://www.worcestermass.com/pronounce/0 -
fyoung1111 wrote: »Unplanned food is almost always bad almost no matter what it is. Face it. Unplanned food is very rarely steamed broccoli.
I added grapefruit and an apple to my pre-logged foods for the day. I have the calories available. I don't think unplanned food is almost always bad, although it certainly can be. Some of us just like to have flexibility in our day sometimes.0 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MommyL2015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
My wife struggles with Worcestershire sauce.
Instead of "worce-ster-shire," it'll come out "wor-Chester-shire" if she doesn't stop to think about it.
I went to college in MA. They have even more whacked out ways of pronouncing it. Wiister.
It's basically wouster or maybe worster.
I grew up in western MA. (Thankfully. I cannot stand Boston speak.) It's Wistah. No "R" in the Boston language, apparently. And Gloucester is Glostah.
Oh, right. I forgot to indicate the dropping of the second r!
Of course, probably best not to get into the pronunciation of Versailles, IL (or KY or OH) or, cringe, Cairo, IL, among many others.
Everyone I know pronounces it Woostah Sauce, similar to the third audio down here http://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/worcestershire-sauce
Around here we pronounce it "worse-TER-sure". When I am on the phone to a call canter and I need to confirm my address, I always wait for them to try to pronounce my city. I've heard some funny ones (Waukesha).
Regarding high glucose spikes after eating. I am T2Dm, controlled fully by diet and exercise. I only need to test once a day upon waking, but I have a second meter and I test other times for more information. 2 things I have noticed: my highest readings of the day come after a long workout with no food or drink except water (not after eating a meal with carbs) and my readings climb in the morning if I haven't eaten anything so fasting can raise my BG levels. My doctor, who is a diabetes specialist, told me that the important thing is how quickly your numbers drop, not necessarily how high they go (as long as they don't spike above 150 or so). If I am back to 100 within 2 hours, I am good.0 -
That's partially correct. Prediabetes does mean someone is at risk for developing diabetes, but there are specific blood tests used for glucose levels that determine whether someone has (1) normal blood sugar, (2) prediabetes, and (3) diabetes. In a way, someone who is obese could be considered at risk for diabetes since that is a risk factor, but if their blood sugar is normal then they aren't medically considered to be prediabetic.ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't know if you read that study, but there were prediabetics included in it. So if we are going to discuss it, that must be taken into account.ForecasterJason wrote: »
When applying this study to those that don't have defective genes for glucose metabolism (diabetes genes) in the first place, I can understand your point. But for those that do have these genes, an unusually high surge after meals is problematic.Wetcoaster wrote: »This is an interesting study
http://news.meta.com/2015/11/19/cell-nutrition-is-personal-identical-foods-produce-healthy-and-unhealthy-responses-in-different-individuals/
Nutrition is personal. A high degree of variability exists in the responses of different people to the same food.
The collected observations further revealed both an individual’s responses to the same food were reproducible, and that there exists a high levels of variability in the responses of different individuals to the same foods. The researchers found that the food associated with an individual’s highest glucose response varied greatly between individuals. Foods that induced a “healthy” response in one individual might induce an “unhealthy” response in another. In a particularly compelling figure, the researchers showed an example where two participants had opposite responses to cookies and bananas
I don't feel this study really makes a case why normal blood sugar fluctuations following meals are unhealthy in and of themselves, particularly as their illustrated levels look well within established post-meal guidelines. The R-value correlations with obesity and H1CA levels, never mind actual disease, are unconvincing in establishing a causal effect. Thus labeling the fluctuations in blood glucose "healthy" and "unhealthy" seems a long stretch here.
pretty sure nothing in this thread is about anyone with a medical condition ….
we understand that some people may need to avoid insulin spikes due to medical condition, but every single post on this board does not need that disclaimer.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't pre-diabetes a catch all term to define those at risk of developing diabetes due to all possible factors eg those without a genetic marker but with obesity? And haven't many with pre diabetes effectively become non pre diabetic by dropping weight?
For some people, the link between obesity and blood sugar regulation is very strong. For these people, yes they can and have reversed their condition by losing weight. However, for others, it's possible to have above normal blood sugar (prediabetes) without excess weight if genetic factors are strong enough.0 -
There are nutritious foods and less nutritious foods.
If you have to put quotes around the word, that generally means you're not using the word in its true sense.
Morality should not be attached to food. No food is inherently good or evil.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't know if you read that study, but there were prediabetics included in it. So if we are going to discuss it, that must be taken into account.ForecasterJason wrote: »
When applying this study to those that don't have defective genes for glucose metabolism (diabetes genes) in the first place, I can understand your point. But for those that do have these genes, an unusually high surge after meals is problematic.Wetcoaster wrote: »This is an interesting study
http://news.meta.com/2015/11/19/cell-nutrition-is-personal-identical-foods-produce-healthy-and-unhealthy-responses-in-different-individuals/
Nutrition is personal. A high degree of variability exists in the responses of different people to the same food.
The collected observations further revealed both an individual’s responses to the same food were reproducible, and that there exists a high levels of variability in the responses of different individuals to the same foods. The researchers found that the food associated with an individual’s highest glucose response varied greatly between individuals. Foods that induced a “healthy” response in one individual might induce an “unhealthy” response in another. In a particularly compelling figure, the researchers showed an example where two participants had opposite responses to cookies and bananas
I don't feel this study really makes a case why normal blood sugar fluctuations following meals are unhealthy in and of themselves, particularly as their illustrated levels look well within established post-meal guidelines. The R-value correlations with obesity and H1CA levels, never mind actual disease, are unconvincing in establishing a causal effect. Thus labeling the fluctuations in blood glucose "healthy" and "unhealthy" seems a long stretch here.
pretty sure nothing in this thread is about anyone with a medical condition ….
we understand that some people may need to avoid insulin spikes due to medical condition, but every single post on this board does not need that disclaimer.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't pre-diabetes a catch all term to define those at risk of developing diabetes due to all possible factors eg those without a genetic marker but with obesity? And haven't many with pre diabetes effectively become non pre diabetic by dropping weight?
Worse yet is risk of pre-diabetes. Being 65 or over is automatically at risk of pre-diabetes.
John Yudkins lectured about that issue in a decent lecture.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=l3pVadh4yzM0 -
Don't use government pronouncements as a basis for foods that are "good", "bad", or otherwise.
Those statements are not based on science, they are based in Politics. Everything they say and do is the result of a lobbyist writing a check.
THIS! Read Health at Every Size and you'll quickly realise how much of the 'healthy guidelines' we're given is complete crap.
You can be healthier than you were, at any size. You cannot be Healthy at Every Size.
http://examine.com/faq/can-you-be-healthy-and-obese/Using sumo wrestlers and National League American Football players as models for 'High adiposity paired with High activity', there still appear to be risks associated with the state of obesity or the high calorie diet that activity cannot compensate for completely (some compensation does seem apparent, however)
Exercise does not appear to be potent enough to normalize all health biomarkers of an obese (BMI greater than 30) person if weight loss does not also occur; this may not hold for overweight persons where the state of health is inherently more favorable (than obese age-matched persons)0
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