The Clean Eating Delusion...
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Why write this?
To bash other people's line of thinking? To prove that you are somehow fitness intelligent superior to those ignorant peons that choose to eat organic or gluten free? No you're weak minded and weak willed. Only willing to accept that eating whatever you think is healthy is the only way to "be healthy".
I'm not God, and I'm not smart enough to play God by creating GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD, or to conduct scientific experiments to prove whether or not they are safe. But I'm smart enough to guess that using super powerful pesticides that kill a huge portion of insect life probably has some effect on me. I'm smart enough to infer that maybe the food industry has a monetary interest in making sure we don't know exactly what effects GMOs have on humans.After 20 years of research there is no evidence of any health risk to any currently available GMO foods.
Regardless, if I decide to eat organic or not, *kitten* off why do you care? If the "healthiness" of organics is completely placebo, why does it affect you? More importantly, the vast majority of Americans are not unhealthy because of their internal debate over organic or GMO, it's cause they eat *kitten*.
Making that statement is powerful, “if you can’t pronounce it, you shouldn’t eat it”. For a person who knows nothing about nutrition, about what is healthy and what isn't, the simplest and most effective way of eliminating bad stuff from your diet, is pronouncing what's in your diet.In order to avoid “Food Babe” level ignorance on this issue (“if you can’t pronounce it, you shouldn’t eat it”), some have made the distinction between natural and synthetic chemicals. This is a false dichotomy, however.
And you're argument? Some chemicals are good in certain portions, which I decide upon. Great, tell that to the fat woman who's shoving twinkies down her pie whole that some of the chemicals in that twinkie are only harmful if consumed in large quantities.
There is this constant struggle to dictate what is healthy: eat GMOs they're good for you, eat organic GMOs kill you, eat raw vegetables because it's alive, eat steamed veggies cause it's easily digestible.
How about minding your own business, learning about the benefits and negatives of an eating style that you can accept to improve your own life?
....Well that wouldn't be as much fun as arguing on a forum: Carbs make you fat, eat Ketogenics.
Dude. Go eat a Snickers.
Snickers ftw!!!
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Marathon ftw. Snickers is a stupid name!0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shadowconn wrote: »meeehh . . My only rule is that if I can't reproduce it in my kitchen, I'm not buying it. I have yet to find something I couldn't reproduce in my own kitchen. A hand blender and corn starch can do a lot. *grins*
I can neither grow bananas nor raise chickens in my kitchens.
I can also not bake bread or make pasta.
That just gave me a brilliant idea : banana chickens that you can grow in your kitchen.
Note to self: call Monsanto.
Shrimpanzee
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Carlos_421 wrote: »shadowconn wrote: »meeehh . . My only rule is that if I can't reproduce it in my kitchen, I'm not buying it. I have yet to find something I couldn't reproduce in my own kitchen. A hand blender and corn starch can do a lot. *grins*
I can neither grow bananas nor raise chickens in my kitchen.
I can also not bake bread or make pasta.
sounds like you are never eating chickens, making bread, or eating pasta....sucks to be you bro!0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »shadowconn wrote: »meeehh . . My only rule is that if I can't reproduce it in my kitchen, I'm not buying it. I have yet to find something I couldn't reproduce in my own kitchen. A hand blender and corn starch can do a lot. *grins*
I can neither grow bananas nor raise chickens in my kitchen.
I can also not bake bread or make pasta.
sounds like you are never eating chickens, making bread, or eating pasta....sucks to be you bro!
Man, eating healthy is hard...0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
Too much logic; everyone avoided it.0 -
And now I want a horse-pig @carlos_421Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shadowconn wrote: »meeehh . . My only rule is that if I can't reproduce it in my kitchen, I'm not buying it. I have yet to find something I couldn't reproduce in my own kitchen. A hand blender and corn starch can do a lot. *grins*
I can neither grow bananas nor raise chickens in my kitchen.
I can also not bake bread or make pasta.
sounds like you are never eating chickens, making bread, or eating pasta....sucks to be you bro!
Man, eating healthy is hard...
i guess I can't eat steak anymore since I don't raise my own cattle...0 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »shadowconn wrote: »meeehh . . My only rule is that if I can't reproduce it in my kitchen, I'm not buying it. I have yet to find something I couldn't reproduce in my own kitchen. A hand blender and corn starch can do a lot. *grins*
I can neither grow bananas nor raise chickens in my kitchen.
I can also not bake bread or make pasta.
but you can make tortillas! yes?0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
Who is that even, I bet he works for monsanto or so-
oh he's the co-founder of greenpeace?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-clean-eating-delusion/In practice “clean eating” tends to be avoiding whatever food is the latest boogeyman in the pseudoscientific diet-advice industry. Today this often includes eating organic, avoiding GMOs, avoiding gluten, avoiding perceived “chemicals,” eating “natural” which can mean many things but often means avoiding processed foods and food additives, and sometimes eating raw foods.
It is important to emphasize that none of these food beliefs are science based. After 50 years of research there is no evidence for any health benefit to eating organic. After 20 years of research there is no evidence of any health risk to any currently available GMO foods.
Why is there an assumption that people who prefer organic and avoid GMO are only doing this for health benefits? It is like claiming a vegetarian will not eat a burger because the burger is not "clean".
Because it is marketed toward that reason people. Especially the GMO one.
Marketed by whom? I am in Europe where the majority of countries (and people) are against GMO (and there is a ban in most countries). The main objections are environmental. It is environmental organisations leading both pro-organic and anti-GMO campaigns, not anyone marketing "clean" eating lifestyles, at least from what I have seen all these years.
So Seralini's rat experiment that's been touted over and over again was based on environment?
European constructs whatever reasons get people to believe against GMO. Their biggest reason against it is simple economics: you can't block food that comes from other countries without violating international treaties. The USA got slapped because it had laws requiring food to put country of origin on it, and now that's changed. However, blocking GMOs is a pretty easy way to cut off the USA as an agricultural powerhouse off at the knees without saying "hey USA, stop being better at making food cheaper than us!"0 -
stevencloser wrote: »That's not categories, that's literally what you get immediately after typing in GMO foods.
Half a dozen pictures of various fruits (mostly tomatoes) with syringes sticking in them, one of them with the caption "Do you really want pesticides in the DNA of your food?" Pictures with "Top 10 common GMO foods" one of them adding "a.k.a. frankenfood". Stitched together apples with vials of liquid next to them, zombies munching on corn, rats with tumors (apparently attributed to being fed GMOs), "our bodies on GMOs" (the GMOs being in a font that makes it look like it's gooey, dripping down), claims of health effects of them, how to spot them, talking about labelling them or better yet banning them.
This is the #1 reason people talk about GMOs. Not because of the environment, because they think it makes your brain rot and gives you cancer and various other diseases.
Page 4 has the first one that even mentions the environment.
I have no doubt that there are people trying to promote their eating plan who will use whatever they can find. However, in many places all over the world (I am guessing here you are either American or British, sorry if I am wrong), GMOs are not considered safe for the environment or proven safe for human consumption, they are basically considered a gamble. This is not a new movement associated to losing weight or detoxing or selling new products. Perhaps there is a cultural difference here, so it is hard to understand how what you consider as a normal part of diet is completely banned in other countries, but it is true.
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shadowconn wrote: »meeehh . . My only rule is that if I can't reproduce it in my kitchen, I'm not buying it. I have yet to find something I couldn't reproduce in my own kitchen. A hand blender and corn starch can do a lot. *grins*
I'm thinking just a hand blender and corn starch leads to a very large mess...
Exactly what I was thinking!
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
I just watched it.
I eat GMO foods because I am lazy. It would be too much trouble trying to avoid them. I think even when you actively avoid them, you are eating them anyway.
I love to bake my own bread. I enjoy the process and especially the taste. I assume the ingredients I use are GMO. I assume the vegetables I buy from the small family farm are GMO.
While I eat them and feed them to my family, I do wonder if there is a difference with DNA exchange that happens in nature and with DNA exchange that is manipulated by humans.
Like many issues it is difficult to get straight answers when the issue has been politicized. Both sides of the GMO issue are extremists.0 -
susan100df wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
I just watched it.
I eat GMO foods because I am lazy. It would be too much trouble trying to avoid them. I think even when you actively avoid them, you are eating them anyway.
I love to bake my own bread. I enjoy the process and especially the taste. I assume the ingredients I use are GMO. I assume the vegetables I buy from the small family farm are GMO.
While I eat them and feed them to my family, I do wonder if there is a difference with DNA exchange that happens in nature and with DNA exchange that is manipulated by humans.
Like many issues it is difficult to get straight answers when the issue has been politicized. Both sides of the GMO issue are extremists.
Can you explain the mechanism for which you believe DNA transformation would be increased in GMOs compared to non-GMO foods?0 -
susan100df wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
I just watched it.
I eat GMO foods because I am lazy. It would be too much trouble trying to avoid them. I think even when you actively avoid them, you are eating them anyway.
I love to bake my own bread. I enjoy the process and especially the taste. I assume the ingredients I use are GMO. I assume the vegetables I buy from the small family farm are GMO.
While I eat them and feed them to my family, I do wonder if there is a difference with DNA exchange that happens in nature and with DNA exchange that is manipulated by humans.
Like many issues it is difficult to get straight answers when the issue has been politicized. Both sides of the GMO issue are extremists.
Can you explain the mechanism for which you believe DNA transformation would be increased in GMOs compared to non-GMO foods?
yes, please explain this....0 -
No I can't explain it. It's way above my pay grade.0
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Your comments about chemicals are ridiculous. Of course all things are made of chemical compounds, whether found in nature or the lab. But, people eating organic or raw are trying to avoid or minimize the amount of pesticides, processed foods and toxins in their bodies. Most of what you have written are opinions, not fact, and describing others' choices as ignorant or nonsense just proves that you are the one who is both!
you do realize that organic foods and vegetables are treated with pesticides, correct?
Some are. You do realize that many people grow food that is not treated with pesticides, correct?
The post you replied to said "avoid or minimize" pesticides in your body. If you want to minimize pesticides organic may do that0 -
susan100df wrote: »No I can't explain it. It's way above my pay grade.
Well seeing as the last PhD who proposed DNA somehow possibly surviving digestion had his experiment found unrepeatable with probably explanation of results being lab contamination, yeah, I imagine it would be a pretty high pay grade to show eating DNA changes DNA expression.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Your comments about chemicals are ridiculous. Of course all things are made of chemical compounds, whether found in nature or the lab. But, people eating organic or raw are trying to avoid or minimize the amount of pesticides, processed foods and toxins in their bodies. Most of what you have written are opinions, not fact, and describing others' choices as ignorant or nonsense just proves that you are the one who is both!
you do realize that organic foods and vegetables are treated with pesticides, correct?
Some are. You do realize that many people grow food that is not treated with pesticides, correct?
The post you replied to said "avoid or minimize" pesticides in your body. If you want to minimize pesticides organic may do that
"Treated" by whom? There are no pesticide free plants.0 -
susan100df wrote: »Like many issues it is difficult to get straight answers when the issue has been politicized. Both sides of the GMO issue are extremists.
Truest statement I've seen in this thread.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Your comments about chemicals are ridiculous. Of course all things are made of chemical compounds, whether found in nature or the lab. But, people eating organic or raw are trying to avoid or minimize the amount of pesticides, processed foods and toxins in their bodies. Most of what you have written are opinions, not fact, and describing others' choices as ignorant or nonsense just proves that you are the one who is both!
you do realize that organic foods and vegetables are treated with pesticides, correct?
Some are. You do realize that many people grow food that is not treated with pesticides, correct?
The post you replied to said "avoid or minimize" pesticides in your body. If you want to minimize pesticides organic may do that
GMOs may do that too; the largest decrease in use of pesticides is due to GMO crops.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Your comments about chemicals are ridiculous. Of course all things are made of chemical compounds, whether found in nature or the lab. But, people eating organic or raw are trying to avoid or minimize the amount of pesticides, processed foods and toxins in their bodies. Most of what you have written are opinions, not fact, and describing others' choices as ignorant or nonsense just proves that you are the one who is both!
you do realize that organic foods and vegetables are treated with pesticides, correct?
Some are. You do realize that many people grow food that is not treated with pesticides, correct?
The post you replied to said "avoid or minimize" pesticides in your body. If you want to minimize pesticides organic may do that
"Treated" by whom? There are no pesticide free plants.
Treated by a human. I've never known anyone to refer to a plant's own defense system as treatment.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Your comments about chemicals are ridiculous. Of course all things are made of chemical compounds, whether found in nature or the lab. But, people eating organic or raw are trying to avoid or minimize the amount of pesticides, processed foods and toxins in their bodies. Most of what you have written are opinions, not fact, and describing others' choices as ignorant or nonsense just proves that you are the one who is both!
you do realize that organic foods and vegetables are treated with pesticides, correct?
Some are. You do realize that many people grow food that is not treated with pesticides, correct?
The post you replied to said "avoid or minimize" pesticides in your body. If you want to minimize pesticides organic may do that
"Treated" by whom? There are no pesticide free plants.
Treated by a human. I've never known anyone to refer to a plant's own defense system as treatment.
I tend to trust acts of men over acts of plants. Humans have a nominal interest in not killing me, plants have an outright incentive to see me as little different from an aphid.0 -
susan100df wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
I just watched it.
I eat GMO foods because I am lazy. It would be too much trouble trying to avoid them. I think even when you actively avoid them, you are eating them anyway.
I love to bake my own bread. I enjoy the process and especially the taste. I assume the ingredients I use are GMO. I assume the vegetables I buy from the small family farm are GMO.
While I eat them and feed them to my family, I do wonder if there is a difference with DNA exchange that happens in nature and with DNA exchange that is manipulated by humans.
Like many issues it is difficult to get straight answers when the issue has been politicized. Both sides of the GMO issue are extremists.
ex·trem·ist
ikˈstrēməst/
noun
a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.
Those that agree with the scientific consensus are the polar opposite of extremists.0 -
Fast food and processed foods all day every day.0
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susan100df wrote: »No I can't explain it. It's way above my pay grade.
Well seeing as the last PhD who proposed DNA somehow possibly surviving digestion had his experiment found unrepeatable with probably explanation of results being lab contamination, yeah, I imagine it would be a pretty high pay grade to show eating DNA changes DNA expression.
To be fair, DNA transformation occurs, but at a very small rate. I just can't see how having GMOs vs non-GMO could possibly increase the transformation rate.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Quoting cuz I think no one watched it.
I just watched it.
I eat GMO foods because I am lazy. It would be too much trouble trying to avoid them. I think even when you actively avoid them, you are eating them anyway.
I love to bake my own bread. I enjoy the process and especially the taste. I assume the ingredients I use are GMO. I assume the vegetables I buy from the small family farm are GMO.
While I eat them and feed them to my family, I do wonder if there is a difference with DNA exchange that happens in nature and with DNA exchange that is manipulated by humans.
Like many issues it is difficult to get straight answers when the issue has been politicized. Both sides of the GMO issue are extremists.
ex·trem·ist
ikˈstrēməst/
noun
a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.
Those that agree with the scientific consensus are the polar opposite of extremists.
Dat scientism tho': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Your comments about chemicals are ridiculous. Of course all things are made of chemical compounds, whether found in nature or the lab. But, people eating organic or raw are trying to avoid or minimize the amount of pesticides, processed foods and toxins in their bodies. Most of what you have written are opinions, not fact, and describing others' choices as ignorant or nonsense just proves that you are the one who is both!
you do realize that organic foods and vegetables are treated with pesticides, correct?
Some are. You do realize that many people grow food that is not treated with pesticides, correct?
The post you replied to said "avoid or minimize" pesticides in your body. If you want to minimize pesticides organic may do that
"Treated" by whom? There are no pesticide free plants.
Treated by a human. I've never known anyone to refer to a plant's own defense system as treatment.
I tend to trust acts of men over acts of plants. Humans have a nominal interest in not killing me, plants have an outright incentive to see me as little different from an aphid.
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes! Thanks for that memory.
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