Why are so many excluding milk from their diet?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Different binaries for different topics. These were just two popular ones.
Another is IIFYM means eating nothing but junk food all the time, no thanks, I actually care about the quality of my food.0 -
Milk is full of pus.....look it up.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.0 -
We're at the point where people aren't even reading page 1 anymore. Good run guys, let's hit the showers.0
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HeatSeeker61 wrote: »Milk is full of pus.....look it up.
Lol0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46iPFTCZ9LA
Whacky, I was not even referencing that.0 -
HeatSeeker61 wrote: »Milk is full of pus.....look it up.
You know how I know you didn't read the thread?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »Aside from eliminating milk due to a diet, calories, sugar, etc. The very first thing I would ask is why are so many people intolerant to dairy products? That has to say something about the types of products people are consuming.
For me, if a product is making so many people sick, I sure don't want to include it in my nutrition plan. Here is some interesting information, from a vegan perspective on dairy products in general:
Note: This is in no way intended to push any agenda or make it seem like one plan is better/worse than another. It's just some interesting information.
There is a common misperception that the only way to get adequate calcium in your diet is to drink milk and eat dairy products. This may be what the dairy industry wants us to believe, but it is well established that plant-based foods are not only adequate sources of dietary calcium but are superior sources compared to animal sources, specifically dairy. The regular consumption of dairy and meat products together results in urinary losses of calcium, as calcium is released from the bones to neutralize the acid load in the bloodstream caused by eating animal protein. This likely creates a negative balance of calcium intake and loss. As we know, prolonged negative calcium balances could result in the development of osteoporosis for which a person would be given meds and probably told to consume more dairy which would perpetuate the problem and so on and so forth. Congress, pharmaceuticals and lobbyists at their finest. But meanwhile, if meats, dairy and fish are eliminated from the diet in place of plant-based foods, the body's need to neutralize acid in the blood stream disappears hence the body's need for overall calcium intake could be reduced.
Technically, being lactose intolerant is the default state. Mammals are born with the ability to digest lactose in order to be able to breastfeed and lose it as they get older.
So, the correct question would be, why are there so many people who are not lactose intolerant?
We evolved ourselves towards it. When we started domesticating cows we started drinking their milk too because for once we didn't have to hunt and kill animals to get close to them. Some people got sick of it, others didn't or to a lesser extent. The ones who got sick were more likely to die and the rest is biology.
If you look at a map of lactose intolerance, it's most prevalent in the places where domestication of cows didn't happen and much lower in the places where it did. Mostly Europe and places mostly inhabited by people of European descent.
@stevencloser thanks for sharing the graphic.0 -
Alluminati wrote: »HeatSeeker61 wrote: »Milk is full of pus.....look it up.
Lol
This is the song that never ends . . . .0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They're_Made_Out_of_Meat0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
Would juice not be allowed in a "fruit only" diet?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They're_Made_Out_of_Meat
But would they have said the same had they found us made of meat juice?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
Would juice not be allowed in a "fruit only" diet?
I doubt a fruitarian would be cool with meat juice.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
Would juice not be allowed in a "fruit only" diet?
I doubt a fruitarian would be cool with meat juice.
I mean fruit juice. Since you separated the "meat juice" from the "meat only" diet.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They're_Made_Out_of_Meat
I've been thinking of this radio play for the last 3 pages. I'm glad someone brought it up.0 -
ok i have read all 15 pages. Some posts were funny as hell, some were annoying. IMO I drink milk. I love it and always have. I can drink a gallon a day if I could and not gain weight. Hell, I could pretty much drink milk and consume nothing else and be happy but that would be ridiculous and probably weird. lol. So for dieting purposes I like to cut it out most day, that days I know if I have one glass it will lead into 10, and drink 1 or 2 glasses on days I have more self control.0
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skim milk tastes like sadness.
ROFL! I only drink skim. I have been told that I am drinking flavoured water, but I'm okay with that. ;-) I am not a fan of milk in general, so maybe that's why skim is more appealing to me - it has less milk taste. Ha ha. It also makes a mean cappuccino foam. And since I prefer to eat my calories - not drink them - it works well for me. But to each his/her own. Skim milk tastes like sadness to you, but to me, it is my morning joy.
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eileen0515 wrote: »I drink a small amount of fat free milk in my fiber one cereal. I grew up on fat free, so that tastes right. While on a deficit I make a point of not drinking calories, it's what works for me.
Same here. I grew up on skim, higher fat tastes gross to me (too thick!), and I prefer to eat my calories. My milk in my cappuccino is a joyful morning ritual. It is a small part of my day, but a BIG part of my morning.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
Ice cream is meat juice frozen.
::noway::
You extract if from meat while it is still alive, then freeze it.
Hmm, not sure if being extracted from an animal is the same as being extracted from meat, but let's just say it is for now. And not sure being extracted from meat means that it is meat or meat juice, but let's just say it is for now.
It's still not "meat-only", right? If it's only the meat juice, it would be milk.
Would juice not be allowed in a "fruit only" diet?
I doubt a fruitarian would be cool with meat juice.
I mean fruit juice. Since you separated the "meat juice" from the "meat only" diet.
Actually, I excluded ice cream from the meat only diet.
I don't personally know any fruitarians, but I would guess they could include fruit juice.0 -
I can't stand fat-free milk. I only drink 1 or 2%.0
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Just read all of this thread, thanks for the intertainment. Lots of lulz here.
I don't drink milk very often, mostly because I choose not to drink my calories. I do love and eat ice cream and cheeses, sour cream and the like.
Too much dairy for me causes gut issues and we have lovingly coined the term "moopoos" in our house to describe those days where you just needed the largest of large MILKSHAKE.
You may also find yourself sleeping on the couch on those nights
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Whatever. It's just so ridiculously dramatic. You have lactose intolerance and PCOS. Okay. Sucks for you and I'm sorry for that. Still doesn't make milk or gluten "poison" unless you are just trying to be overly dramatic. It's silly.
It's MFP so either one extreme or the other. Either milk is poison or it's nectar of the gods.
And it's either eating no meat at all or eating nothing but meat. There is no other position.
Choose wisely. One side has ice cream...
...and steak.
If one side is no meat and the other meat-only, neither side have both ice cream (not meat) and steak (meat).
OOooo! Me! Me! I'm the ovo-lacto-vegetarian great excluded middle in this binary: I'll take one for the team (both teams?) and eat aalllllll the ice cream!0 -
It's pretty simple. Milk is what baby cows live off of. They grow huge, both in muscle in fat. So to do the same, drink milk. Most don't want to get huge from fat, so drink skim milk instead, and you'll get just the huge muscle result.
Simple, isn't it? There, no need for a page 15.
Yeah that's not how it works.0 -
Unsweetened almond milk or cashew milk is much lower in calories and carbs than even skim milk, and it's actually higher in calcium. But even then, I have to be careful not to binge on it, because it tastes sooo good, and it's a liquid, and it's refreshing, and I'm always thirsty. Liquid calories just go down way too fast and easy. I keep it around only because I'm afraid of not getting enough calcium, but it's a struggle. If I had actual milk here, forget about it. I'd never be able to lose weight. In terms of protein, milk doesn't do much to satisfy my appetite. Generally speaking, I stay away from liquid calories, since they seem to bypass the stomach and go straight to the hips. Dairy is just a ton of extra calories I don't need. For protein, there's meat, which will do a much better job of satisfying my hunger with a reasonable amount of calories, and I won't keep eating it the way that I'll keep drinking a liquid.0
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Almond milk is only high in calcium because it's supplemented. Which is fine, of course, but if that's why you are drinking it a plain supplement might be even lower in calories.
If because you like it, that's different.
I keep meaning to make cashew milk (for example: http://cookieandkate.com/2013/cashew-milk-recipe/), but because it actually contains cashews I assume this kind of thing would be a lot higher cal than the storebought almond milk or strained version of that you make at home. So curious as I am it runs against my general aversion to drinking calories.0 -
I just don't like milk, but if I did I'd drink it. I switched over to vanilla almond milk for cereal which tastes better (to me) and is only 30 calories/8oz...no protein though.0
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I only drink skim milk and not very often due to the sugar content. I can't taste the difference between skim or 1% but hubby will argue there's a huge difference. I'm just happy I don't notice it!0
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It's pretty simple. Milk is what baby cows live off of. They grow huge, both in muscle in fat. So to do the same, drink milk. Most don't want to get huge from fat, so drink skim milk instead, and you'll get just the huge muscle result.
Simple, isn't it? There, no need for a page 15.
Yeah that's not how it works.
I'm glad someone challenged the joke. I got away with one like that in the why we're getting bigger thread.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Almond milk is only high in calcium because it's supplemented. Which is fine, of course, but if that's why you are drinking it a plain supplement might be even lower in calories.
If because you like it, that's different.
I keep meaning to make cashew milk (for example: http://cookieandkate.com/2013/cashew-milk-recipe/), but because it actually contains cashews I assume this kind of thing would be a lot higher cal than the storebought almond milk or strained version of that you make at home. So curious as I am it runs against my general aversion to drinking calories.
They don't universally fortify with Vitamin D which is a minus. More of them are though, and I'd hope it becomes universal.0
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