I keep seeing "you NEED to lift heavy"
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Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
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lol
I think it's tricky to discuss high vs medium vs low weight/rep lifting because we're all coming from a different place, have different preferences, different goals, etc. I try not to dismiss any as better/worse than the others because I think there is merit to all the options. Plus I don't want to discourage anybody from trying a new activity.2 -
Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
I didn't
I used the acronym IMHO
Meaning "in my humble opinion"
It is an opinion, clearly stated, and not a directive1 -
lol
I think it's tricky to discuss high vs medium vs low weight/rep lifting because we're all coming from a different place, have different preferences, different goals, etc. I try not to dismiss any as better/worse than the others because I think there is merit to all the options. Plus I don't want to discourage anybody from trying a new activity.
It's a good point and well made
But you can keep your shoulder shrugs
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so funny how quick people are to argue opinions on here. If someone asks a question on a forum and is expecting opinions in return then why are so many people trying to discredit those opinions? LMAO! Spend more time trying to help and less time worrying about what anyone else has to say...5
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lol
I think it's tricky to discuss high vs medium vs low weight/rep lifting because we're all coming from a different place, have different preferences, different goals, etc. I try not to dismiss any as better/worse than the others because I think there is merit to all the options. Plus I don't want to discourage anybody from trying a new activity.
It's a good point and well made
But you can keep your shoulder shrugs
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Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
I didn't
I used the acronym IMHO
Meaning "in my humble opinion"
It is an opinion, clearly stated, and not a directive
I acknowledged you original opinion, that's why I said "but then telling her in your opinion" and then in your follow up, you said you were stating that being the right weight for you height does not mean that you have the body you want. That's why I replied with "But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want." I guess I should have said, But the point is you can't state the type of body somebody wants.
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so funny how quick people are to argue opinions on here. If someone asks a question on a forum and is expecting opinions in return then why are so many people trying to discredit those opinions? LMAO! Spend more time trying to help and less time worrying about what anyone else has to say...
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I think we have to do whatever gets results. For you, it's been running and congrats on your weight loss! The folks who believe in strength training are *usually replying to people who are not happy with their progress or have stagnated somehow. If we get discouraged, we tend to quit and we all want each other to succeed so folks preach the glory of lifting heavy (I must admit I'm a believer even if the advice giver comes across too strongly). Weights are a great way to get and sustain muscle, hence, results.
I know for me I lost 36 lbs in 6 months I have a lot of loss skin for the last 3 weeks I go to planet fitness and it helping with all my loss skin just saying0 -
Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
I didn't
I used the acronym IMHO
Meaning "in my humble opinion"
It is an opinion, clearly stated, and not a directive
I acknowledged you original opinion, that's why I said "but then telling her in your opinion" and then in your follow up, you said you were stating that being the right weight for you height does not mean that you have the body you want. That's why I replied with "But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want." I guess I should have said, But the point is you can't state the type of body somebody wants.
I'm getting lost now
Are you saying that I was telling her, or anyone else, what kind of body they want? Or not.
Are you saying that on a discussion forum I'm not supposed to give my opinion? Or is that ok?
It's not going to change how I post or the opinions I hold, I am just interested why you keep referring to my post(s) as though I've said something offensive when on my reading I haven't
I find people's perceptions interesting but I am currently failing to understand what, if anything is the problem
If it helps I agree you can't tell someone else what type of body they want ...and I don't believe I have
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Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
I didn't
I used the acronym IMHO
Meaning "in my humble opinion"
It is an opinion, clearly stated, and not a directive
I acknowledged you original opinion, that's why I said "but then telling her in your opinion" and then in your follow up, you said you were stating that being the right weight for you height does not mean that you have the body you want. That's why I replied with "But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want." I guess I should have said, But the point is you can't state the type of body somebody wants.
I'm getting lost now
Are you saying that I was telling her, or anyone else, what kind of body they want? Or not.
Are you saying that on a discussion forum I'm not supposed to give my opinion? Or is that ok?
It's not going to change how I post or the opinions I hold, I am just interested why you keep referring to my post(s) as though I've said something offensive when on my reading I haven't
I find people's perceptions interesting but I am currently failing to understand what, if anything is the problem
If it helps I agree you can't tell someone else what type of body they want ...and I don't believe I have
Are we making things up now?
Did I ever say you can't have an opinion, or that you should change how you post your opinion?
I simply had an opinion on your original opinion, that to look good naked you should lift weights, otherwise your just going to look good in clothes, because that's not the only way to look good naked, and then when you stated that if somebody is at the right weight for their height, that does not mean that you have the body you want, I stated that you can't tell somebody what type of body they want. I don't mean you specifically, I mean in general people shouldn't tell other people what type of body they want, if somebody gets to the weight they want without lifting weights, and they are happy with their body then that is a wonderful thing. I referenced your post because you are the one that brought those points up. If not I would just be giving my opinion on something that was never said, which would just be weird.
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Opinions about opinions regarding other people's opinions? It's an opinion-pocolypse6
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Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
I didn't
I used the acronym IMHO
Meaning "in my humble opinion"
It is an opinion, clearly stated, and not a directive
I acknowledged you original opinion, that's why I said "but then telling her in your opinion" and then in your follow up, you said you were stating that being the right weight for you height does not mean that you have the body you want. That's why I replied with "But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want." I guess I should have said, But the point is you can't state the type of body somebody wants.
I'm getting lost now
Are you saying that I was telling her, or anyone else, what kind of body they want? Or not.
Are you saying that on a discussion forum I'm not supposed to give my opinion? Or is that ok?
It's not going to change how I post or the opinions I hold, I am just interested why you keep referring to my post(s) as though I've said something offensive when on my reading I haven't
I find people's perceptions interesting but I am currently failing to understand what, if anything is the problem
If it helps I agree you can't tell someone else what type of body they want ...and I don't believe I have
Are we making things up now?
Did I ever say you can't have an opinion, or that you should change how you post your opinion?
I simply had an opinion on your original opinion, that to look good naked you should lift weights, otherwise your just going to look good in clothes, because that's not the only way to look good naked, and then when you stated that if somebody is at the right weight for their height, that does not mean that you have the body you want, I stated that you can't tell somebody what type of body they want. I don't mean you specifically, I mean in general people shouldn't tell other people what type of body they want, if somebody gets to the weight they want without lifting weights, and they are happy with their body then that is a wonderful thing. I referenced your post because you are the one that brought those points up. If not I would just be giving my opinion on something that was never said, which would just be weird.
This whole derailment is weird.3 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Opinions about opinions regarding other people's opinions? It's an opinion-pocolypse
I agree it is way too much! I should have stopped a long time about, but I just like to talk about these things! I didn't mean to offend @Sued0nim, and I'm sorry if I have. I just have this thing were I can't stop arguing unfortunately, which in never should have turned into an argument, I kind of high jacked the OP's thread which isn't cool either.
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Depends on goal ..if you like to run, run ...you can make that progressive through intensity, incline, speed, distance, carrying weight if you choose to
IMHO Progressive resistance makes you look good naked, whereas being the appropriate weight means you look good in clothes
I think this is part of the problem right here, you're telling the OP to run if she likes to run, but then telling her that in your opinion if that is all she is doing that she wont look good naked, and that the 50lbs she lost only means she is going to look good in clothes and I'm not sure what type of message that is telling people. I'm also not sure where this whole notion came from anyways, because there millions and millions of people who look good naked no matter what size they are, or what they do health wise.
No I'm not
I'm simply stating that being the "right" weight for your height does not mean that you have the body you want...that scale weight is the smallest part of the physique battle, whatever your desired physique is (and we all have different body aesthetics)
In general losing 50lbs will mean you weigh 50lbs less not that your body composition will be what you aspire to ...if you want specific shape at a lower weight it is generally created through musculature on top of bone structure with an element of fat
When you read progressive resistance do you read "lifting weights" only because that would be misunderstanding the term ...progressive resistance can be achieved through running (intensity, speed, incline) ...progressive resistance can mean more reps at lower weights
But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want.
I didn't
I used the acronym IMHO
Meaning "in my humble opinion"
It is an opinion, clearly stated, and not a directive
I acknowledged you original opinion, that's why I said "but then telling her in your opinion" and then in your follow up, you said you were stating that being the right weight for you height does not mean that you have the body you want. That's why I replied with "But the point is you can't tell somebody the type of body they want." I guess I should have said, But the point is you can't state the type of body somebody wants.
I'm getting lost now
Are you saying that I was telling her, or anyone else, what kind of body they want? Or not.
Are you saying that on a discussion forum I'm not supposed to give my opinion? Or is that ok?
It's not going to change how I post or the opinions I hold, I am just interested why you keep referring to my post(s) as though I've said something offensive when on my reading I haven't
I find people's perceptions interesting but I am currently failing to understand what, if anything is the problem
If it helps I agree you can't tell someone else what type of body they want ...and I don't believe I have
Are we making things up now?
Did I ever say you can't have an opinion, or that you should change how you post your opinion?
I simply had an opinion on your original opinion, that to look good naked you should lift weights, otherwise your just going to look good in clothes, because that's not the only way to look good naked, and then when you stated that if somebody is at the right weight for their height, that does not mean that you have the body you want, I stated that you can't tell somebody what type of body they want. I don't mean you specifically, I mean in general people shouldn't tell other people what type of body they want, if somebody gets to the weight they want without lifting weights, and they are happy with their body then that is a wonderful thing. I referenced your post because you are the one that brought those points up. If not I would just be giving my opinion on something that was never said, which would just be weird.
Well then it is weird because she very clearly did not say you must lift weights to look good naked.0 -
Now that is one hell of a convoluted sentence
It's ok no offence taken
No clarity gained either, might be me though, I gave up halfway because I'm not good on roller coasters3 -
I have neither the money nor inclination to 'lift heavy'. When I have the money, I don't have the time. When I have the time, I don't have the money. I'm one of those rare and unusual fellows who supports a family by working a job. Yes, there are many fellows who support their family by working a job and vigorously lift heavy 3-5 times per week and maintain their second dwelling in a gym. I get that. I don't. That's why I don't post questions asking "How do I get 6-pack abs" because the answer is "lift heavy". I don't ask "How do I get a big back" because the answer is "lift heavy". I don't ask "How to eliminate man boobs" because the answer is "lift heavy. So what if I have saggy man boobs and loose skin after losing another 50 lb? I'm not going to be strutting a Speedo on your beach, so don't worry about it.6
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so funny how quick people are to argue opinions on here. If someone asks a question on a forum and is expecting opinions in return then why are so many people trying to discredit those opinions? LMAO! Spend more time trying to help and less time worrying about what anyone else has to say...
then what fun would that be? The forums are open to the masses.0 -
When you lose weight you will also lose muscle mass along with fat. To lessen the amount of muscle loss, you should do lifting or resistance training and get an adequate amount of protein. Running is not what made you lose 50lbs,k your diet did that. You were burning more calories than you consumed.
Lifting has helped me with my endurance and speed when it comes to running.1 -
Diet is for losing weight, running and lifting weights is for health. I run about 18 miles a week, usually run 6 miles 3 days a week in the morning and then in the evening I lift. I found a progressive dumbbell program because well thats what I have available to me as far as free weights go.
I started lifting because I had reached my weightloss goals about 6 months ago(lost about 120lbs) I also met my running goal of completing a half marathon in about 2 hours, and I was unsatisfied with what I saw in the mirror. I have gobs of loose skin, and I don't like it. So Im trying to fill some of it in with muscle...This is a journey of years, not months or days, enjoy your running now, and if the fancy strikes you lift weights weights later, I won't think less of you either way.
Congrats on everyones success and have a great day!
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So does running not build muscle then? Because my legs have got pretty solid since I started! Before running I was swimming (1 mile 3-4 times per week, fast- in around 25 mins) and I could have sworn my muscles were working and even aching afterwards then! Or does that not count?
I know everyone says that if you dont lift while losing weight that you lose muscle aswel as fat, but honestly how true is this, are you all fully qualified human biologists? Because I actually have a qualification in human biology and sports science which I studied at college for 2 years and never was this an actual fact stated!! Yes if you starve yourself and dont move much to lose weight you will waste away, but if you increase your excersise in any form you use your muscles, therefore they increase endurance.0 -
xjessicaxrx wrote: »So does running not build muscle then? Because my legs have got pretty solid since I started! Before running I was swimming (1 mile 3-4 times per week, fast- in around 25 mins) and I could have sworn my muscles were working and even aching afterwards then! Or does that not count?
I know everyone says that if you dont lift while losing weight that you lose muscle aswel as fat, but honestly how true is this, are you all fully qualified human biologists? Because I actually have a qualification in human biology and sports science which I studies at college for 2 years and never was this an actual fact stated!! Yes if you starve yourself and dont move much to lose weight you will waste away, but if you increase your excersise in any form you use your muscles, therefore they increase endurance.
They are solid because you lost the fat that was surrounding the muscle mass that was already there. Running is for cardiovascular health weight lifting is to improve strength and reduce loss of muscle mass while in a deficit.
But if you think you know better that everyone else, by all means do what you want. We are just trying to answer the question you asked about why people always suggest a heavy lifting program.2 -
But you do still build muscle strength while running and other exercises (other than lifting) thats my point. Or else how and why would it get easier and your performance improve the more you do it?1
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xjessicaxrx wrote: »But you do still build muscle strength while running and other exercises (other than lifting) thats my point. Or else how and why would it get easier and your performance improve the more you do it?
Define "other exercises".
The reason running gets easier is improved endurance.
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Theres a ton of opinions on here because that's what worked for them. I think the same thing about the posts saying you have to do low carb to lose weight. I roll my eyes everytime lol. You do you and do what you enjoy!2
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xjessicaxrx wrote: »But you do still build muscle strength while running and other exercises (other than lifting) thats my point. Or else how and why would it get easier and your performance improve the more you do it?
You don't build strength or muscle size by running, you do build muscular endurance. You sound like the bros on the other side of the spectrum who argue they don't need cardio because they're doing sets of 20 and then struggle through a 2-3 mile run. No one is telling you that you have to lift weights, but if you have the goal of a toned body it certainly is an efficient way to get there. Exercises are like tools. You want the most efficient ones for the job, or at least I do.4 -
Well anything, swimming, cycling, rowing etc. Improved endurance comes from using your muscles more, therefore they get more efficient, am I wrong?1
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xjessicaxrx wrote: »But you do still build muscle strength while running and other exercises (other than lifting) thats my point. Or else how and why would it get easier and your performance improve the more you do it?
Neuroplasticity refers to the potential that the brain has to reorganize by creating new neural pathways to adapt, as it needs. Think of the neurological changes being made in the brain as the brain's way of tuning itself to meet your needs.
Also, as has been mentioned, your cardiovascular endurance has probably been improving due to all of the running you are performing. So these two things--neuroplasticity and endurance-- may explain why you find running X amount of distance easier.3 -
xjessicaxrx wrote: »So does running not build muscle then? Because my legs have got pretty solid since I started! Before running I was swimming (1 mile 3-4 times per week, fast- in around 25 mins) and I could have sworn my muscles were working and even aching afterwards then! Or does that not count?
I know everyone says that if you dont lift while losing weight that you lose muscle aswel as fat, but honestly how true is this, are you all fully qualified human biologists? Because I actually have a qualification in human biology and sports science which I studies at college for 2 years and never was this an actual fact stated!! Yes if you starve yourself and dont move much to lose weight you will waste away, but if you increase your excersise in any form you use your muscles, therefore they increase endurance.
I totally and absolutely disagree on only looking good naked if you lift weights. That's silly. You can have a lovely body without lifting weights, if you get to a lowish bodyfat by any means you can look the same good out of clothes as in them, that's how my body is, and that's how it was when I was just doing the cardio and really minimal silly light weights in Jazzercise. I think lean men look good even without big muscles, too; there's a pretty wide range of body types that "look good naked" or at least look good in swimwear.
Really, to have conventional look good naked looks, I'd need things I can't get from any sort of exercising, since I don't have the T part of T&A, but I definitely look as good out of clothes as in them, it's the same body either way. For me it's just staying down at a reasonable bodyfat %. Skinnyfit looks good, fit fit looks good, fit bodies look good.5
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