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Is dairy good or bad?
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ninhogorgfan wrote: »Dairy is highly processed and youd never get it in nature. It really has no place in the human diet. The calcium in it praised for bone growth and strength . Its too much calcium and it actually hurts bone health and contributes to osteoporosis. Plants have all the calcium and fat you need.
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it is nutrition and fuel. it is not good or bad. it is up to you whether it fits in your food plan
i have yogurt, milk, cottage cheese and ice cream on a regular basis and as of today i think i'm down 32lbs. i love it. cottage cheese and yogurt keep me full and ice cream is great because ice cream
milk is wonderful after a run
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ninhogorgfan wrote: »Dairy is highly processed and youd never get it in nature. It really has no place in the human diet. The calcium in it praised for bone growth and strength . Its too much calcium and it actually hurts bone health and contributes to osteoporosis. Plants have all the calcium and fat you need.
dead wrong....7 -
All mammals get their milk in nature.5
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I love dairy. I can't do nut or soy milks since I'm allergic to most nuts and soy. Milk has fat to keep me full, calcium, a ton of protien...it is a near perfect substance to put in my body...and you can use it to make cheese and icecream so it gets even more points.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Milk products are good in many ways. They are full of nutrients, minerals which are particularly good for one. Iodine is something which hardly ever gets a mention. True one only needs a little 150 microns on a daily basis, dairy is a good way to achieve this and other minerals which promote good thyroid health. Iodine is found in many foods but more often in smaller amounts, 100 gram of dark green veg only provides 4 microns for example when 100 ml of either cow or goat milk provides 30. Cow milk is type 1 casein the protein which can be problematic for many but goat is type two like A2 milk. It is also considered that goat milk lactose is probably easier to digest for some because the body has less stress utilising the milk in comparison to that of cows.
I love the goat juice and everything that comes from it. I just wish more of the population would get on board, so farming can be ramped up without financial risk, so the prices can come down a bit.
I love Feta cheese, but the last time I tried goat milk, it tasted exactly the way goats smell. I couldn't finish the container.
Feta is usually made with sheep milk, sometimes cow. There is a magically awesome french goat milk feta, though, that I think is much better than either of the others.
But anyway, if you are buying feta in the regular grocery, it's probably sheep milk, maybe cow.1 -
Dairy is how I've been able to meet my protein goals. I've increased my intake of 0% fat Greek yogurt and 2% cottage cheese significantly in the past few months. I enjoy the taste, they fit well with my calorie/nutrient goals and they're relatively inexpensive. All three add up to good for me.
OP, the question is, is dairy good for you? Evaluate the nutrients and calories in various dairy products you want to eat and determine if they fit your goals.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Milk products are good in many ways. They are full of nutrients, minerals which are particularly good for one. Iodine is something which hardly ever gets a mention. True one only needs a little 150 microns on a daily basis, dairy is a good way to achieve this and other minerals which promote good thyroid health. Iodine is found in many foods but more often in smaller amounts, 100 gram of dark green veg only provides 4 microns for example when 100 ml of either cow or goat milk provides 30. Cow milk is type 1 casein the protein which can be problematic for many but goat is type two like A2 milk. It is also considered that goat milk lactose is probably easier to digest for some because the body has less stress utilising the milk in comparison to that of cows.
I love the goat juice and everything that comes from it. I just wish more of the population would get on board, so farming can be ramped up without financial risk, so the prices can come down a bit.
I love Feta cheese, but the last time I tried goat milk, it tasted exactly the way goats smell. I couldn't finish the container.
Feta is usually made with sheep milk, sometimes cow. There is a magically awesome french goat milk feta, though, that I think is much better than either of the others.
But anyway, if you are buying feta in the regular grocery, it's probably sheep milk, maybe cow.
Honestly, I don't really care if it's made from cat milk, as long as it doesn't taste like I'm licking a goat. :sick:
But thank you for the info!8 -
It causes the 'beetus:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16530335
It is used to addict children to mothers:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21240335
It even causes the autisms:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24657283
It causes you to not have the fattyness though:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27465374
Particularly if you are young chinese boy:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27459802
For women, it just makes them less Hulk smash:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27252768
That last one, though...
In my anecdotal n=1, I partake of the dairy and want to hulk-smash all kinds of *babysloth* on the regular.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »It causes the 'beetus:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16530335
It is used to addict children to mothers:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21240335
It even causes the autisms:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24657283
It causes you to not have the fattyness though:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27465374
Particularly if you are young chinese boy:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27459802
For women, it just makes them less Hulk smash:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27252768
That last one, though...
In my anecdotal n=1, I partake of the dairy and want to hulk-smash all kinds of *babysloth* on the regular.
You should note when these happen in your MFP notes section, particularly if it includes increased verbal aggression. Then you'd have a diary of dairy diatribes.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »It causes the 'beetus:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16530335
It is used to addict children to mothers:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21240335
It even causes the autisms:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24657283
It causes you to not have the fattyness though:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27465374
Particularly if you are young chinese boy:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27459802
For women, it just makes them less Hulk smash:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27252768
That last one, though...
In my anecdotal n=1, I partake of the dairy and want to hulk-smash all kinds of *babysloth* on the regular.
You should note when these happen in your MFP notes section, particularly if it includes increased verbal aggression. Then you'd have a diary of dairy diatribes.
This was quite enjoyable.0 -
rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
Your statement leads me to conclude you have never been on a 5-10-15K animal dry lot dairy CAFO. If you have, it was not in any capacity beyond a tourist. Pampered is not the word that comes to mind.
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.
Probably the most "pampered" farm animal is beef cows in the west being run on private and/or public range. They tend to spend their life out on range/pasture with comparatively minimal human interference in their lives as long as they produce their commodity - a live calf that makes it to market weight or the replacement heifer pool - every year with minimal cost input.
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Dairy foods provide some nutrition and calories if you consume them. It is like any other food in that way.
Good or bad depends on your preferences, goals, conditions of the food, allergies or intolerances and personal views.
Dairy is just fine for me. I enjoy it in moderation.0 -
grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?9 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?
Walmart has employees????1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?
Walmart has employees????
What's wrong with shopping at Walmart?0 -
Alluminati wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?
Walmart has employees????
What's wrong with shopping at Walmart?
It makes me angry. I want to throat punch all the people. But that's just crowded places in general. I worked at a Wal-Mart for 6 years in my younger days. I've also worked at McDs. I have seen things...11 -
Alluminati wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?
Walmart has employees????
What's wrong with shopping at Walmart?
Call me crazy but I love Walmart.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?
Walmart has employees????
They are a rare breed. You have to go looking for them, and you need to be quiet. They spook easily.9 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Alluminati wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »
What they are, is a commodity managed to minimize costs, maximize profit, and optimize production. If an individual animal does not fit the mold, they absolutely can suffer because of it.rankinsect wrote: »
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
So they're basically Walmart employees, eh?
Walmart has employees????
What's wrong with shopping at Walmart?
It makes me angry. I want to throat punch all the people. But that's just crowded places in general. I worked at a Wal-Mart for 6 years in my younger days. I've also worked at McDs. I have seen things...
Still have nightmares?1 -
rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.
Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.
The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.
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ninhogorgfan wrote: »Dairy is highly processed and youd never get it in nature. It really has no place in the human diet. The calcium in it praised for bone growth and strength . Its too much calcium and it actually hurts bone health and contributes to osteoporosis. Plants have all the calcium and fat you need.
Except for not getting in nature, this statement is actually true. The enzymes in milk create acid in the bones which comes out in urine, which binds with the vitamin D. So yeah... go to the doctor about a vitamin D deficiency and they'll most likely put you on a supplement, and tell you to keep drinking milk. A clear contradiction. The problem is the dairy industry is making a fortune, the medical industry and big pharma is making a fortune, they are treating the symptoms, not the root cause, just putting a band aid on it. Most doctors don't bother to discuss nutrition because they are not required to take nutritional courses in med school. Most of them know about the issues and problems related to dairy consumption, but it's easier and better for their bottom line to just prescribe a drug.
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You have to ask yourself why so many millions of people are lactose intolerant. Some people just simply adapt to digesting the sugar enzymes contained in milk out of survival. Others don't. I wonder about things like this... like if something is giving you heart burn would you just take a pill and continue to eat the item? Personally I feel like that's my body telling me to stop. So many people forgot to listen to their bodies thought it's just sad. A lot of people actually let a computer program and application developers tell them when they should eat instead of trying to figure out if their actually hungry or not
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cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.
Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.
The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.
I grew up on a dairy farm. NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED on our farm. None of the cows were artificially inseminated. The calves drank from their mothers until they were ready to be weaned. The calves were well cared for and were either added to the heard, or sold at market once they were older. It is absolutely possible to make choices that don't support the practices you are talking about. But to be honest, when someone comes in with the type of approach as you are using here, I actually want to eat all the cows and drink all the milk.
ETA: and yes, failing to milk the cows was painful for them.35 -
cushman5279 wrote: »You have to ask yourself why so many millions of people are lactose intolerant. Some people just simply adapt to digesting the sugar enzymes contained in milk out of survival. Others don't. I wonder about things like this... like if something is giving you heart burn would you just take a pill and continue to eat the item? Personally I feel like that's my body telling me to stop. So many people forgot to listen to their bodies thought it's just sad. A lot of people actually let a computer program and application developers tell them when they should eat instead of trying to figure out if their actually hungry or not
that last statement is pretty ironic given that you have an open diary that you are using to track calories on a site that is designed by others...14 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.
Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.
The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.
I grew up on a dairy farm. NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED on our farm. None of the cows were artificially inseminated. The calves drank from their mothers until they were ready to be weaned. The calves were well cared for and were either added to the heard, or sold at market once they were older. It is absolutely possible to make choices that don't support the practices you are talking about. But to be honest, when someone comes in with the type of approach as you are using here, I actually want to eat all the cows and drink all the milk.
ETA: and yes, failing to milk the cows was painful for them.
Oh good, it's not just me then. Thought maybe I was just being spiteful.6 -
cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
I'm not a cow, but I did give birth to a human and had to deal with breasts swollen with milk. It is painful and made me upset that I couldn't pump out the milk to relieve the pain.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.
Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.
The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.
I grew up on a dairy farm. NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED on our farm. None of the cows were artificially inseminated. The calves drank from their mothers until they were ready to be weaned. The calves were well cared for and were either added to the heard, or sold at market once they were older. It is absolutely possible to make choices that don't support the practices you are talking about. But to be honest, when someone comes in with the type of approach as you are using here, I actually want to eat all the cows and drink all the milk.
ETA: and yes, failing to milk the cows was painful for them.
Oh good, it's not just me then. Thought maybe I was just being spiteful.
I'm not saying it isn't spiteful, but the pushy, approach has never worked with me. It's the words chosen for maximum shock value that make me *eyeroll*.6 -
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I suppose a vegan "exploiting animals is eevviiilll" thread is a nice break from all the sugar is addictive/no it's not battles.
I like my cheese. I like me some yogurt or ice cream from time to time. If God is a cow, I'm screwed when I pass on to the next life. Oh, well.6
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