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Is dairy good or bad?
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I just snorted my lunch milk!!0
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I am slightly lactose intolerant, having milk causes serious gastrointestinal distress, but I am able to have an occasional yogurt, ice cream, and cheese on my pizza without crying.
So a thumbs up for dairy from me. I could never give up pizza!0 -
I am slightly lactose intolerant, having milk causes serious gastrointestinal distress, but I am able to have an occasional yogurt, ice cream, and cheese on my pizza without crying.
So a thumbs up for dairy from me. I could never give up pizza!
I understand that many people consider the dairy cheese to be an integral part of pizza, but it's totally possible to do pizza without dairy. I have pizza several times a month. I wouldn't want to give it up either, I just do dairy-free.1 -
Hard cheeses have very little lactose btw2
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There is dairy free cheese? What is it made out of?0
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There is dairy free cheese? What is it made out of?
There are tons of dairy-free cheeses on the market and many that you can make at home. One of the most popular brands in the US is Daiya, another I like is Miyoko's Creamery. They're often made out of soy, but can also be coconut or nut (cashew or almond) based. I will sometimes make a tofu ricotta or cashew cheese at home to top pizza or just skip the cheese and enjoy the sauce and the veggies (or maybe add a bit of hummus for creaminess after it is done baking).0 -
This report combines the findings of over 400 scientific papers from reputable peer-reviewed journals such as the British Medical Journal and the Lancet. The research is clear – the consumption of cow’s milk and dairy products is linked to the development of teenage acne, allergies, arthritis, some cancers, colic, constipation, coronary heart disease, Crohn’s disease, diabetes, dementia, ear infection, food poisoning, gallstones, kidney disease, migraine, autoimmune conditions, including multiple sclerosis, overweight, obesity and osteoporosis
http://www.whitelies.org.uk/sites/default/files/milkmyths/White Lies report 2014.pdf0 -
lcrampton44 wrote: »This report combines the findings of over 400 scientific papers from reputable peer-reviewed journals such as the British Medical Journal and the Lancet. The research is clear – the consumption of cow’s milk and dairy products is linked to the development of teenage acne, allergies, arthritis, some cancers, colic, constipation, coronary heart disease, Crohn’s disease, diabetes, dementia, ear infection, food poisoning, gallstones, kidney disease, migraine, autoimmune conditions, including multiple sclerosis, overweight, obesity and osteoporosis
http://www.whitelies.org.uk/sites/default/files/milkmyths/White Lies report 2014.pdf
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cottage cheese is best thin ever invented1
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There is dairy free cheese? What is it made out of?
The imitation shredded "cheese" bits I picked up were made from soy. It tasted oily to me and did not melt the same.
IMO, if food products were left alone, not trying to imitate each other, all the food tastes better. Ice cream made from cream. Tofu made from soy. And so on.
I looked up the nutritional profile of cream and if it wasn't so calorie dense, it's a glorious food.0 -
There is dairy free cheese? What is it made out of?
The imitation shredded "cheese" bits I picked up were made from soy. It tasted oily to me and did not melt the same.
IMO, if food products were left alone, not trying to imitate each other, all the food tastes better. Ice cream made from cream. Tofu made from soy. And so on.
I looked up the nutritional profile of cream and if it wasn't so calorie dense, it's a glorious food.
Or, people who enjoy that brand of cheese can eat it and those who don't enjoy it can avoid it.0 -
There is dairy free cheese? What is it made out of?
The imitation shredded "cheese" bits I picked up were made from soy. It tasted oily to me and did not melt the same.
IMO, if food products were left alone, not trying to imitate each other, all the food tastes better. Ice cream made from cream. Tofu made from soy. And so on.
I looked up the nutritional profile of cream and if it wasn't so calorie dense, it's a glorious food.
Almond and cashew ice cream are amazing.0 -
cottage cheese is best thin ever invented
I wholeheartedly agree with this.singingflutelady wrote: »lcrampton44 wrote: »This report combines the findings of over 400 scientific papers from reputable peer-reviewed journals such as the British Medical Journal and the Lancet. The research is clear – the consumption of cow’s milk and dairy products is linked to the development of teenage acne, allergies, arthritis, some cancers, colic, constipation, coronary heart disease, Crohn’s disease, diabetes, dementia, ear infection, food poisoning, gallstones, kidney disease, migraine, autoimmune conditions, including multiple sclerosis, overweight, obesity and osteoporosis
http://www.whitelies.org.uk/sites/default/files/milkmyths/White Lies report 2014.pdf
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Hah, I was just going to say that.
All the trolls are out today. 0 -
TheCrawlingChaos wrote: »There is dairy free cheese? What is it made out of?
The imitation shredded "cheese" bits I picked up were made from soy. It tasted oily to me and did not melt the same.
IMO, if food products were left alone, not trying to imitate each other, all the food tastes better. Ice cream made from cream. Tofu made from soy. And so on.
I looked up the nutritional profile of cream and if it wasn't so calorie dense, it's a glorious food.
Almond and cashew ice cream are amazing.
Cashew ice cream is the greatest!
I also love the new Califia Farms "Betterhalf" creamer. It's a coconut-based half-and-half -- it's the best vegan creamer that I've tried.0 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »In other news, cows who use antiperspirant get beaten less often but produce milk that glows in the dark.
Well that stinks either way.
Why would you bother putting antiperspirant on a cow, it doesn't have sweat glands on most of its skin, and the manure it produces is already going to cause enough smell.
Because if she smelled better she might attract a mate so the nazi farmer wouldn't have to forcefully inseminate her.2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
I'm not a cow, but I did give birth to a human and had to deal with breasts swollen with milk. It is painful and made me upset that I couldn't pump out the milk to relieve the pain.
How about if you'd given birth and your baby was taken away from you. Then you could be hooked up to machines for the milk... that could be given to cows to drink. Then when you're done you could have another baby.. oh hell, let's make it a dozen more babies until you're all used up. Sound like an awesome way to spend a life.
How would you feel if someone demolished your house, claimed the land their own, planted their crops and trees and killed your children for nibbling on "their" crops? How would you feel to be walking around minding your own business only to get mortally injured because someone decided to put up an invisible barrier? How would you feel if someone poisoned your food sources?
If you want to appeal to emotion in every scenario that might hurt animals you would be a breatharian living in a cave. Taking a stand for an issue of choice is a good thing (I'm passionate about my own issues of choice which I don't push on anyone), but I don't see how any of this has anything to do with the effect of dairy on health for those who are not lactose intolerant.
I'm not pushing anything, just following up on some comments
Hey, what's wrong with living in a cave?
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stevencloser wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
I'm not a cow, but I did give birth to a human and had to deal with breasts swollen with milk. It is painful and made me upset that I couldn't pump out the milk to relieve the pain.
How about if you'd given birth and your baby was taken away from you. Then you could be hooked up to machines for the milk... that could be given to cows to drink. Then when you're done you could have another baby.. oh hell, let's make it a dozen more babies until you're all used up. Sound like an awesome way to spend a life.
How would you feel if someone demolished your house, claimed the land their own, planted their crops and trees and killed your children for nibbling on "their" crops? How would you feel to be walking around minding your own business only to get mortally injured because someone decided to put up an invisible barrier? How would you feel if someone poisoned your food sources?
If you want to appeal to emotion in every scenario that might hurt animals you would be a breatharian living in a cave. Taking a stand for an issue of choice is a good thing (I'm passionate about my own issues of choice which I don't push on anyone), but I don't see how any of this has anything to do with the effect of dairy on health for those who are not lactose intolerant.
You monster, that cave could be a bear's home that now has to freeze to death in winter with its family.
I suppose I could kill the bear for its fur.
But that would be highly unethical
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cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.
Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.
The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.
The literal dozens of local dairy farms with calves in the pasture alongside their mothers says, "you have no clue what you're talking about."
Never said all dairy farms. Mainly just the ones making all the money.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »You have to ask yourself why so many millions of people are lactose intolerant. Some people just simply adapt to digesting the sugar enzymes contained in milk out of survival. Others don't. I wonder about things like this... like if something is giving you heart burn would you just take a pill and continue to eat the item? Personally I feel like that's my body telling me to stop. So many people forgot to listen to their bodies thought it's just sad. A lot of people actually let a computer program and application developers tell them when they should eat instead of trying to figure out if their actually hungry or not
that last statement is pretty ironic given that you have an open diary that you are using to track calories on a site that is designed by others...
Really? out of the entire statement all you can come up with picking on the very last sentence? LOL!
Okay, I'll play, yes I'm using a site built and maintained by developers. But that doesn't mean I have forgotten how to listen to my body. It was a general statement, not aimed at anyone in particular. Are we done now?
I sure hope so. The anthropomorphizing and illogical appeals to emotion posing as legitimate arguments against the nutritional benefits of milk consumption are getting old.
Ahhh....The plagiarism of another (illogial, unscientific) site combined with the distinct increase in screechiness and general hysteria in response to the debunking of a position took me back to my days of teaching college writing. Next, the crying. I would collect the tears in a vial and wear them on a chain around my neck.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/03/over-75-of-earths-population-is-lactose-intolerant-for-a-reason-dairy-is-harmful/
From that same site:
Deodorant causes breast cancer.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/10/23/how-to-prevent-breast-cancer-through-an-armpit-detox/
If I have to give up deodorant to avoid breast cancer, I think I'll just deal with the cancer. Deodorant is, in my opinion, a foundation of civilization.
I worked with a woman who had breast cancer. She was convinced it was caused by the titanium in her deodorant so she stopped using it. She started rubbing a large crystal on her armpits. She said it worked, same as deodorant... but I didn't think so. I don't know what ever happened to her. Just mentioned it because the comment sparked a memory.0 -
BillMcKay1 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »You have to ask yourself why so many millions of people are lactose intolerant. Some people just simply adapt to digesting the sugar enzymes contained in milk out of survival. Others don't. I wonder about things like this... like if something is giving you heart burn would you just take a pill and continue to eat the item? Personally I feel like that's my body telling me to stop. So many people forgot to listen to their bodies thought it's just sad. A lot of people actually let a computer program and application developers tell them when they should eat instead of trying to figure out if their actually hungry or not
Rather than asking *myself* why millions of people are lactose intolerant, I asked science, specifically genetics. Interestingly, your musings here aren't entirely incorrect, but more along the line of the hazy explanation my 7 year old would provide when asked about the unique preponderance of lactose tolerance among British, Scandinavian, and other northern European populations ("simply adapt...out of survival"), how it helped them survive a harsh climate and genetically out-compete individuals with less-suitable genetic adaptations ("Others don't."), and the subsequent dispersal of the genome across at least seven millennia, while still leaving "so many millions [who are] lactose intolerant" (aka, two-thirds of the world population). You might find the following to be helpful:
http://www.nature.com/news/archaeology-the-milk-revolution-1.13471
And yes, anyone who has dysentary-esque explosions from their posterior should probably listen to their body and stop drinking milk. It leaves more for those of us with Viking-Celt-Teutonic ancestry and a 90% tolerance rate.
On the question of calves being separated immediately from their mothers, it is actually less stressful for both the cow and calf if the separation happens immediately. The cow rapidly forgets, and the calf doesn't know any different, as opposed to weaning after a month or two, where the stress and grief can last for days for both parties. I am an occasional visitor to both a conventional dairy farm (where the cows enjoy a particularly cushy life, including self-selecting milking, deep sand beds, automated manure clean-up, and fans, massage and misting machines), and a 100% grass-fed raw-milk operation where the cows greatly enjoy being on pasture for most of the year. It doesn't stop most from becoming hamburger at some point in their lives, but we all eventually become hamburger anyway, even the apex predators.
Sorry about my "fuzzy" science. Please see my last post above for the actual science.
Less stressful for the calf and the mother? Really? How about let's make it not stressful by not practicing it at all.
Well, if we don't need the milk or the meat, Why would anyone even bother to feed and raise cows? Taken to the ultimate goal you are advocating for the gradual extinction of the entire species. Seems pretty harsh.
Uhm, I don't know. I'm pretty sure cows and calfs just happened long before any human intervention.
This reminds me of the hunters who say they have to kill the deer because we're over-run with them LOL!0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I am slightly lactose intolerant, having milk causes serious gastrointestinal distress, but I am able to have an occasional yogurt, ice cream, and cheese on my pizza without crying.
So a thumbs up for dairy from me. I could never give up pizza!
I understand that many people consider the dairy cheese to be an integral part of pizza, but it's totally possible to do pizza without dairy. I have pizza several times a month. I wouldn't want to give it up either, I just do dairy-free.
Daiya has a really good "cheese" pizza.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »In other news, cows who use antiperspirant get beaten less often but produce milk that glows in the dark.
Well that stinks either way.
Why would you bother putting antiperspirant on a cow, it doesn't have sweat glands on most of its skin, and the manure it produces is already going to cause enough smell.
Because if she smelled better she might attract a mate so the nazi farmer wouldn't have to forcefully inseminate her.
Why is the farmer a Nazi?0 -
lcrampton44 wrote: »This report combines the findings of over 400 scientific papers from reputable peer-reviewed journals such as the British Medical Journal and the Lancet. The research is clear – the consumption of cow’s milk and dairy products is linked to the development of teenage acne, allergies, arthritis, some cancers, colic, constipation, coronary heart disease, Crohn’s disease, diabetes, dementia, ear infection, food poisoning, gallstones, kidney disease, migraine, autoimmune conditions, including multiple sclerosis, overweight, obesity and osteoporosis
http://www.whitelies.org.uk/sites/default/files/milkmyths/White Lies report 2014.pdf
And let's not forget that a cow was the third shooter on the grassy knoll....3 -
cushman5279 wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »You have to ask yourself why so many millions of people are lactose intolerant. Some people just simply adapt to digesting the sugar enzymes contained in milk out of survival. Others don't. I wonder about things like this... like if something is giving you heart burn would you just take a pill and continue to eat the item? Personally I feel like that's my body telling me to stop. So many people forgot to listen to their bodies thought it's just sad. A lot of people actually let a computer program and application developers tell them when they should eat instead of trying to figure out if their actually hungry or not
Rather than asking *myself* why millions of people are lactose intolerant, I asked science, specifically genetics. Interestingly, your musings here aren't entirely incorrect, but more along the line of the hazy explanation my 7 year old would provide when asked about the unique preponderance of lactose tolerance among British, Scandinavian, and other northern European populations ("simply adapt...out of survival"), how it helped them survive a harsh climate and genetically out-compete individuals with less-suitable genetic adaptations ("Others don't."), and the subsequent dispersal of the genome across at least seven millennia, while still leaving "so many millions [who are] lactose intolerant" (aka, two-thirds of the world population). You might find the following to be helpful:
http://www.nature.com/news/archaeology-the-milk-revolution-1.13471
And yes, anyone who has dysentary-esque explosions from their posterior should probably listen to their body and stop drinking milk. It leaves more for those of us with Viking-Celt-Teutonic ancestry and a 90% tolerance rate.
On the question of calves being separated immediately from their mothers, it is actually less stressful for both the cow and calf if the separation happens immediately. The cow rapidly forgets, and the calf doesn't know any different, as opposed to weaning after a month or two, where the stress and grief can last for days for both parties. I am an occasional visitor to both a conventional dairy farm (where the cows enjoy a particularly cushy life, including self-selecting milking, deep sand beds, automated manure clean-up, and fans, massage and misting machines), and a 100% grass-fed raw-milk operation where the cows greatly enjoy being on pasture for most of the year. It doesn't stop most from becoming hamburger at some point in their lives, but we all eventually become hamburger anyway, even the apex predators.
Sorry about my "fuzzy" science. Please see my last post above for the actual science.
Less stressful for the calf and the mother? Really? How about let's make it not stressful by not practicing it at all.
Well, if we don't need the milk or the meat, Why would anyone even bother to feed and raise cows? Taken to the ultimate goal you are advocating for the gradual extinction of the entire species. Seems pretty harsh.
Uhm, I don't know. I'm pretty sure cows and calfs just happened long before any human intervention.
This reminds me of the hunters who say they have to kill the deer because we're over-run with them LOL!
I've never heard the argument that we need to shoot deer because we're overrun with them but I can tell you that the management of deer populations by/for hunting has exponentially improved the health and quality of said deer populations.
Without herd management via hunting, deer populations would fluctuate greatly due to increased populations leading to the spread of fatal diseases like Blue Tongue which decimate densely populated deer populations. Then when populations finally recover, the die off again.
Hunting effectively stops that cycle.6 -
cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.
Totally wrong.
Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.
Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.
The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.
The literal dozens of local dairy farms with calves in the pasture alongside their mothers says, "you have no clue what you're talking about."
Never said all dairy farms. Mainly just the ones making all the money.
Why is making money off cows a bad thing?0
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