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Do Vegan diets for children really need to be outlawed?
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VividVegan wrote: »My mother forced me to eat wholesome plant foods when I was very young. By the age of 7, I was snacking on raw radishes (by choice). I thank her to this day. Obesity, Diabetes, Strokes, Heart Disease, and Cancer does not run in our family. Nothing wrong with veganism. My mom even did professional modeling in the 80's on a plant-based diet.
Absolutely agree there is nothing wrong with veganism.
Having said that, would you agree that veganism is no more inherently healthy then any other balanced diet that provides the body with all its nutrients?
There are other ways of eating that can be beneficial, of course. What I dislike are the stereotypes that vegans don't get enough protein or lack muscle or only do it for animal rights. That isn't always the case. As for me getting fed a lot of plant based foods and raw vegetables, fruits, etc during childhood. There were children in the grade school I attended who ate only fried greasy foods that their parents fed them (mainly fast foods). Didn't turn out well and quite a few were obese. If they want to eat meat, their parents should at least introduce them to lean meats. I was pescetarian at one point. Ate a lot of lean meat (fish to be precise).0 -
brichards_ wrote: »If the parents are educated and are feeding their children nutritiously, and breastfeeding when needed, there should be no problem. They are helping their child be healthier. The same could be said for parents who feed their children processed unhealthy foods. That can be a problem for the kids health.
I'm confused about the recommendation that you would mix breast feeding when needed with whatever diet a parent is feeding their child. Presumably, the vegan diet would follow the period of time when an infant would be either breast fed or formula fed... There may be some period of time where there is overlap but many of the initial weaning foods are usually fruits, vegetables and cereals...
Care to qualify the "processed unhealthy foods" comment with some examples, as well as dosage?
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »If the parents are educated and are feeding their children nutritiously, and breastfeeding when needed, there should be no problem. They are helping their child be healthier. The same could be said for parents who feed their children processed unhealthy foods. That can be a problem for the kids health.
I'm confused about the recommendation that you would mix breast feeding when needed with whatever diet a parent is feeding their child. Presumably, the vegan diet would follow the period of time when an infant would be either breast fed or formula fed... There may be some period of time where there is overlap but many of the initial weaning foods are usually fruits, vegetables and cereals...
Care to qualify the "processed unhealthy foods" comment with some examples, as well as dosage?
I thought vegans couldn't breastfeed vegan babies as the breast milk is an animal product:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/115985/is_breastmilk_vegan_enough_for
I actually wondered about that as I was typing it, but I've known a couple of vegans who breastfed so I'm not sure what the rules are there... The point I was trying to make was that the solid food diet usually comes after an infant is weaned off of formula or breast milk, with some overlap of puréed and soft table foods, but the primary nutrition for an infants first year comes from the formula or breast milk. Of course there are some who continue with breast feeding after the first year and that's an individual's choice... I just didn't understand what the poster I quoted meant with their comments related to supplementing a nutrient poor diet with breastfeeding...0 -
You can't exploit animals, but breastfeeding your own child wouldn't be considered exploitation.3
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VividVegan wrote: »VividVegan wrote: »My mother forced me to eat wholesome plant foods when I was very young. By the age of 7, I was snacking on raw radishes (by choice). I thank her to this day. Obesity, Diabetes, Strokes, Heart Disease, and Cancer does not run in our family. Nothing wrong with veganism. My mom even did professional modeling in the 80's on a plant-based diet.
Absolutely agree there is nothing wrong with veganism.
Having said that, would you agree that veganism is no more inherently healthy then any other balanced diet that provides the body with all its nutrients?
There are other ways of eating that can be beneficial, of course. What I dislike are the stereotypes that vegans don't get enough protein or lack muscle or only do it for animal rights. That isn't always the case. As for me getting fed a lot of plant based foods and raw vegetables, fruits, etc during childhood. There were children in the grade school I attended who ate only fried greasy foods that their parents fed them (mainly fast foods). Didn't turn out well and quite a few were obese. If they want to eat meat, their parents should at least introduce them to lean meats. I was pescetarian at one point. Ate a lot of lean meat (fish to be precise).
My last forty pounds were shed while eating mostly extremely fatty meat, often supplemented with butters, cheese, and further oils. The problem isn't any particular food. It's that people either suck at math.or are too lazy to use it.5 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »If the parents are educated and are feeding their children nutritiously, and breastfeeding when needed, there should be no problem. They are helping their child be healthier. The same could be said for parents who feed their children processed unhealthy foods. That can be a problem for the kids health.
I'm confused about the recommendation that you would mix breast feeding when needed with whatever diet a parent is feeding their child. Presumably, the vegan diet would follow the period of time when an infant would be either breast fed or formula fed... There may be some period of time where there is overlap but many of the initial weaning foods are usually fruits, vegetables and cereals...
Care to qualify the "processed unhealthy foods" comment with some examples, as well as dosage?
I thought vegans couldn't breastfeed vegan babies as the breast milk is an animal product:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/115985/is_breastmilk_vegan_enough_for
Those babies! Always exploiting their mother.2 -
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Vegan diet is great . Everyone should eat one
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VividVegan wrote: »My mother forced me to eat wholesome plant foods when I was very young. By the age of 7, I was snacking on raw radishes (by choice). I thank her to this day. Obesity, Diabetes, Strokes, Heart Disease, and Cancer does not run in our family. Nothing wrong with veganism. My mom even did professional modeling in the 80's on a plant-based diet.
My family wasn't vegan or vegetarian, but my mum cooked uber healthy meals and sent me to school with sprouts,salad on my sandwiches and a side of veggies etc etc . Nobody ever wanted to trade their lunch with me :sad: I sometimes got teased for what i had in my lunch box. All i wanted was a peanut butter sandwich like the other kids!!! I got to buy the lunch of my choice once a week, which was always a hotdog or chicken burger.
My long winded point is, dont make your kid stand out in school, try and pack relatively "normal" looking food, kids can be stupid and cruel.2 -
VividVegan wrote: »VividVegan wrote: »My mother forced me to eat wholesome plant foods when I was very young. By the age of 7, I was snacking on raw radishes (by choice). I thank her to this day. Obesity, Diabetes, Strokes, Heart Disease, and Cancer does not run in our family. Nothing wrong with veganism. My mom even did professional modeling in the 80's on a plant-based diet.
Absolutely agree there is nothing wrong with veganism.
Having said that, would you agree that veganism is no more inherently healthy then any other balanced diet that provides the body with all its nutrients?
There are other ways of eating that can be beneficial, of course. What I dislike are the stereotypes that vegans don't get enough protein or lack muscle or only do it for animal rights. That isn't always the case. As for me getting fed a lot of plant based foods and raw vegetables, fruits, etc during childhood. There were children in the grade school I attended who ate only fried greasy foods that their parents fed them (mainly fast foods). Didn't turn out well and quite a few were obese. If they want to eat meat, their parents should at least introduce them to lean meats. I was pescetarian at one point. Ate a lot of lean meat (fish to be precise).
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »
Instead of healthy food delivered by uber, they should have packed you healthy vegan food. You could have sat at the vegan tables and traded food with them.Christine_72 wrote: »VividVegan wrote: »My mother forced me to eat wholesome plant foods when I was very young. By the age of 7, I was snacking on raw radishes (by choice). I thank her to this day. Obesity, Diabetes, Strokes, Heart Disease, and Cancer does not run in our family. Nothing wrong with veganism. My mom even did professional modeling in the 80's on a plant-based diet.
My family wasn't vegan or vegetarian, but my mum cooked uber healthy meals and sent me to school with sprouts,salad on my sandwiches and a side of veggies etc etc . Nobody ever wanted to trade their lunch with me :sad: I sometimes got teased for what i had in my lunch box. All i wanted was a peanut butter sandwich like the other kids!!! I got to buy the lunch of my choice once a week, which was always a hotdog or chicken burger.
My long winded point is, dont make your kid stand out in school, try and pack relatively "normal" looking food, kids can be stupid and cruel.
Haha, she cooked very healthy meals, there were no vegan kids in my school, and if there were, they kept it well hidden!
I wrote my last post after getting a flashback from childhood, it's still very clear in my mind. Aah the little things that will bother kids..0 -
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BreezeDove, your posts have always and continue to confuse me
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »
Instead of healthy food delivered by uber, they should have packed you healthy vegan food. You could have sat at the vegan tables and traded food with them.Christine_72 wrote: »VividVegan wrote: »My mother forced me to eat wholesome plant foods when I was very young. By the age of 7, I was snacking on raw radishes (by choice). I thank her to this day. Obesity, Diabetes, Strokes, Heart Disease, and Cancer does not run in our family. Nothing wrong with veganism. My mom even did professional modeling in the 80's on a plant-based diet.
My family wasn't vegan or vegetarian, but my mum cooked uber healthy meals and sent me to school with sprouts,salad on my sandwiches and a side of veggies etc etc . Nobody ever wanted to trade their lunch with me :sad: I sometimes got teased for what i had in my lunch box. All i wanted was a peanut butter sandwich like the other kids!!! I got to buy the lunch of my choice once a week, which was always a hotdog or chicken burger.
My long winded point is, dont make your kid stand out in school, try and pack relatively "normal" looking food, kids can be stupid and cruel.
Haha, she cooked very healthy meals, there were no vegan kids in my school, and if there were, they kept it well hidden!
I wrote my last post after getting a flashback from childhood, it's still very clear in my mind. Aah the little things that will bother kids..
You might have just had a more indigo aura than most of them.
Ah, Jenny McCarthy fan (didn't she claim to have an indigo child?). All is explained.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »BreezeDove, your posts have always and continue to confuse me
Your post is interesting considering the indigo aura description:
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »BreezeDove, your posts have always and continue to confuse me
Your post is interesting considering the indigo aura description:
Oh yes, that is so me
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Christine_72 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »BreezeDove, your posts have always and continue to confuse me
Your post is interesting considering the indigo aura description:
Oh yes, that is so me
I knew it! He nailed it
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »BreezeDove, your posts have always and continue to confuse me
Your post is interesting considering the indigo aura description:
Oh yes, that is so me
I knew it! He nailed it
You go girl
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lemurcat12 wrote: »You can't exploit animals, but breastfeeding your own child wouldn't be considered exploitation.
No vegans believe human milk for human babies and cow milk for only cows etc.
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brichards_ wrote: »If the parents are educated and are feeding their children nutritiously, and breastfeeding when needed, there should be no problem. They are helping their child be healthier. The same could be said for parents who feed their children processed unhealthy foods. That can be a problem for the kids health.
@brichards_
How many kids do you have?0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »If the parents are educated and are feeding their children nutritiously, and breastfeeding when needed, there should be no problem. They are helping their child be healthier. The same could be said for parents who feed their children processed unhealthy foods. That can be a problem for the kids health.
@brichards_
How many kids do you have?
I haven't got any. But I really do believe there should not be any laws against having vegan children, as long as you feed them enough, and get the macros right. A plant based diet will help them avoid disease and could help prevent them from being overweight.
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My husband used to own a bar. One of the wise and weathered regulars used to say "two things in life are guaranteed... Guys on this side of the bar will tell you how to run yours just like people with no kids will give you parenting advice..."
RIP Bull.4 -
Christine_72 wrote: »BreezeDove, your posts have always and continue to confuse me
Truer words have never been spoken...
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Ooh, getting advice on how to feed your kids from non-parents. Lol. Walk a mile in my shoes.3
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queenliz99 wrote: »Ooh, getting advice on how to feed your kids from non-parents. Lol. Walk a mile in my shoes.
I called it at the beginning of this thread. Vegan diets and parenting advice. Throw in some politics and you've got the trifecta of controversial topics...1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Ooh, getting advice on how to feed your kids from non-parents. Lol. Walk a mile in my shoes.
For some reason people with no kids tend to be the loudest and most opinionated when it comes to parenting advice.
You would never catch me on a parenting forum, I've heard they are brutal!!!5 -
I'm childfree, have made my comments in this thread (some agree and others disagree... that is normal with most topics). Here's how I feel about "non-parents giving parenting advice" - I may not be a pilot, but when I see a helicopter in a tree, I know somebody screwed up.
With vegan diets, my point has been that it is fine as long as the kid is not suffering medical problems (such as malnutrition) as a result (same with any diet). Still, I see parents (who are apparently the experts) leaving their kids in hot cars, overdosing them on painkillers, and letting them play in murky water known to contain alligators. I don't have to be a parent, a meteorologist, a physician, or a wildlife biologist to know that these parents screwed up.9 -
Don't most countries in the developed world already have "failure to thrive" laws in place? Why single out vegans?2
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