All calories may not be equal

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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Eating like a horse= 3,000 calories. I've done it, many, many times.

    It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.

    I can do it every day and will do it everyday when I maintain. And I have done it in the past. First thing I add when I increase calories is add more fat to my diet (nuts, avocado, full fat yogurt, granola, etc...).
  • Wynterbourne
    Wynterbourne Posts: 2,225 Member
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    KetoneKaren wrote: »
    @ndj1979

    I was looking for studies that show how much people err in estimating caloric intake and the numbers are all over the place. Could you direct me to the source of your information that people's estimates are off by 30-50%? Thanks in advance.

    I am curious to know just how accurate MFP loggers are...I use a food scale, and after reading on these forums how inaccurate the weight of packaged foods can be, I weigh & measure those, too. It's illuminating to weigh pre-packaged foods.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-36988065
    The Behavioural Insights Team points to scientific and economic data showing people eat 3,000 calories, compared to the 2,000 cited in official surveys.

    http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/16-07-12-Counting-Calories-Final.pdf

    3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.

    Sorry, but not as hard as you may think for people that eat out.

    Cheesecake Factory The Bistro Shrimp Pasta - 3,120 calories
    Cheesecake Factory Bruleed French Toast - 2780 calories
    Cheesecake Factory - Farfalle With Chicken and Roasted Garlic - 2410 calories
    Sonic: Large Peanut Butter Caramel Pie Malt (just one milkshake) - 2170 calories
    Maggiano's Little Italy Veal Porterhouse - 2,710 calories
    Johnny Rockets Bacon & Cheddar Double Cheeseburger (just the burger) - 1,770 calories.

    I could go on.

    Cheesecake Factory is at most a once a month occasion. And anyone with half a brain would eat half and take the other half home, because the portions are so large. They also have lots of better options.

    Imagine eating the entire Bistro Shrimp Pasta with a couple of beers, and having a piece of strawberry cheesecake for desert. Gut buster!

    You said nothing about times a month/occasions or/and brain requirements. All you said was (you are not eating 3,000 calories) it was hard to do. I pointed out that it wasn't and gave just a few of dozens and dozens available examples of why it's not hard to do. My roommate has cooked in the kitchen about 3 times in the last year. It shows.
  • bethannien
    bethannien Posts: 556 Member
    I feel so bad for OP.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited August 2016
    bethannien wrote: »
    I feel so bad for OP.

    I know!

  • kpk54
    kpk54 Posts: 4,474 Member
    Appears the OP may have deleted his/her account.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    KetoneKaren wrote: »
    @ndj1979

    I was looking for studies that show how much people err in estimating caloric intake and the numbers are all over the place. Could you direct me to the source of your information that people's estimates are off by 30-50%? Thanks in advance.

    I am curious to know just how accurate MFP loggers are...I use a food scale, and after reading on these forums how inaccurate the weight of packaged foods can be, I weigh & measure those, too. It's illuminating to weigh pre-packaged foods.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-36988065
    The Behavioural Insights Team points to scientific and economic data showing people eat 3,000 calories, compared to the 2,000 cited in official surveys.

    http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/16-07-12-Counting-Calories-Final.pdf

    3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.

    Sorry, but not as hard as you may think for people that eat out.

    Cheesecake Factory The Bistro Shrimp Pasta - 3,120 calories
    Cheesecake Factory Bruleed French Toast - 2780 calories
    Cheesecake Factory - Farfalle With Chicken and Roasted Garlic - 2410 calories
    Sonic: Large Peanut Butter Caramel Pie Malt (just one milkshake) - 2170 calories
    Maggiano's Little Italy Veal Porterhouse - 2,710 calories
    Johnny Rockets Bacon & Cheddar Double Cheeseburger (just the burger) - 1,770 calories.

    I could go on.

    Jeebers, remind me not to eat there if they ever open one here! Every one of those sounds like heaven on a plate. I could see myself ordering an entrée, main and dessert :open_mouth:

  • RAinWA
    RAinWA Posts: 1,980 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Eating like a horse= 3,000 calories. I've done it, many, many times.

    It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.

    I can do it every day and will do it everyday when I maintain. And I have done it in the past. First thing I add when I increase calories is add more fat to my diet (nuts, avocado, full fat yogurt, granola, etc...).

    When he was working an active job, my 6'2" 155 pound husband required around 4,000 to maintain his weight (we used him as a test subject in my nutrition class). That's a lot of food. When he was single he used to get the family entree sized frozen dinners and eat them - I called them "Glutton Man" dinners.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited August 2016
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.

    3000 calories a day, every day? Not even a challenge. I'm losing, on average, a pound a week on around 2300/day, and I eyeball a lot of things and rarely use a food scale so it's probably a bit more than that. I can (and have in the past) easily thrown down 3000+ a day, effortlessly and repeatedly. In fact, when I transition to maintenance/recomp, that's exactly what I'll be doing - somewhere in the range of 3000-3200/day.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    I could easily hit 3000 calories eating at places like cheesecake factory. But getting that much at home day in day out, i reckon I'd struggle. My blowout cheat days rarely hit 2500 calories. I'm a total lightweight failure :tongue:
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    When I was in treatment for anorexia I was on a 3600 calorie a day meal plan... And I only gained about 0.4-0.6 kg a week surprisingly
  • Wynterbourne
    Wynterbourne Posts: 2,225 Member
    I'm a huge fan of quite a few calorie dense foods like cheese (smoked gruyère *drool*), sour cream, pasta, cashews, etc... I'd have no problem eating 3000 calories on a regular daily basis. Not to mention the 10+ gallons of homebrewed wine and mead in my closet from before I started the diet. Not going through it anywhere near the pre-diet speed so haven't started any new batches recently. LOL
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    I could easily hit 3000 calories eating at places like cheesecake factory. But getting that much at home day in day out, i reckon I'd struggle. My blowout cheat days rarely hit 2500 calories. I'm a total lightweight failure :tongue:

    Adding one pint of Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter ice cream (1360 calories) to my current deficit intake would put me at 3660. I don't think many people would consider a pint of ice cream per day as an undue hardship.

    Alternately, I could cook my morning eggs in a couple tablespoons of olive oil (+240 calories), have 2 ounces of almonds for a mid-morning snack (+320 calories), slice up half an avocado and add it to my salad for dinner (+130 calories). Add those to my normal daily intake and boom, I'm at 3000 calories and would barely notice any difference in terms of satiety.

    True, true :smile: I'd have no problem eating a pint of ice cream, and yes it would be easy adding lashings of oil to things without noticing it much.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,990 Member
    edited August 2016
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    KetoneKaren wrote: »
    @ndj1979

    I was looking for studies that show how much people err in estimating caloric intake and the numbers are all over the place. Could you direct me to the source of your information that people's estimates are off by 30-50%? Thanks in advance.

    I am curious to know just how accurate MFP loggers are...I use a food scale, and after reading on these forums how inaccurate the weight of packaged foods can be, I weigh & measure those, too. It's illuminating to weigh pre-packaged foods.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-36988065
    The Behavioural Insights Team points to scientific and economic data showing people eat 3,000 calories, compared to the 2,000 cited in official surveys.

    http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/16-07-12-Counting-Calories-Final.pdf

    3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.
    Lol, I could eat that drinking diet soda (which I do now anyway). You could eat 3 foot longs with no chips and no mayo and hit 3000 calories in a day.
    Don't hate because you can't do.

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  • gonetothedogs19
    gonetothedogs19 Posts: 325 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Eating like a horse= 3,000 calories. I've done it, many, many times.

    It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.

    Wait a diddly darn second. First you say you ate like a pig and more than anyone you knew and never gained weight and now you're like "Whoah dude, 3000 calories is a ton!"?

    I ate like a pig when I was 21. Now I'm 57 and I don't eat like a pig. Nice try. But if I wanted to, I could polish away ANY meal at Cheesecake Factory and finish with a nice piece of cheesecake.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,990 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    An efficient metabolism is able to do more work with less input.

    ETA: Just like an efficient car gets better gas mileage, so you need to fill it up less often.

    Some people convert their cars to run on grease trap leavings. They then collect the leavings for free so their car essentially is the best mileage of all when you think about the costs.
    Maybe some people's metabolisms are like that.
    Lol, when you say "convert" you're talking about someone changing their genetics? :D

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
    So explain how epigenetics changes DNA sequence. I'd like to hear it.

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  • gonetothedogs19
    gonetothedogs19 Posts: 325 Member
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    KetoneKaren wrote: »
    @ndj1979

    I was looking for studies that show how much people err in estimating caloric intake and the numbers are all over the place. Could you direct me to the source of your information that people's estimates are off by 30-50%? Thanks in advance.

    I am curious to know just how accurate MFP loggers are...I use a food scale, and after reading on these forums how inaccurate the weight of packaged foods can be, I weigh & measure those, too. It's illuminating to weigh pre-packaged foods.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-36988065
    The Behavioural Insights Team points to scientific and economic data showing people eat 3,000 calories, compared to the 2,000 cited in official surveys.

    http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/16-07-12-Counting-Calories-Final.pdf

    3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.

    Sorry, but not as hard as you may think for people that eat out.

    Cheesecake Factory The Bistro Shrimp Pasta - 3,120 calories
    Cheesecake Factory Bruleed French Toast - 2780 calories
    Cheesecake Factory - Farfalle With Chicken and Roasted Garlic - 2410 calories
    Sonic: Large Peanut Butter Caramel Pie Malt (just one milkshake) - 2170 calories
    Maggiano's Little Italy Veal Porterhouse - 2,710 calories
    Johnny Rockets Bacon & Cheddar Double Cheeseburger (just the burger) - 1,770 calories.

    I could go on.

    Cheesecake Factory is at most a once a month occasion. And anyone with half a brain would eat half and take the other half home, because the portions are so large. They also have lots of better options.

    Imagine eating the entire Bistro Shrimp Pasta with a couple of beers, and having a piece of strawberry cheesecake for desert. Gut buster!

    You said nothing about times a month/occasions or/and brain requirements. All you said was (you are not eating 3,000 calories) it was hard to do. I pointed out that it wasn't and gave just a few of dozens and dozens available examples of why it's not hard to do. My roommate has cooked in the kitchen about 3 times in the last year. It shows.

    My typical breakfast is two eggs with shredded cheese or a Greek yogurt. For lunch I might have a tuna or a turkey sandwich. Snacks are next to nothing. So I'm going into dinner having eaten about 700 calories. Could I have a 2,300-calorie dinner every night? Sure. But I don't because I don't pig out. Could I eat a giant bag of chips with sour cream dip through the course of a day and pack on another 2,000 calories? Of course. But I don't.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,990 Member
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Eating like a horse= 3,000 calories. I've done it, many, many times.

    It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.

    Wait a diddly darn second. First you say you ate like a pig and more than anyone you knew and never gained weight and now you're like "Whoah dude, 3000 calories is a ton!"?

    I ate like a pig when I was 21. Now I'm 57 and I don't eat like a pig. Nice try. But if I wanted to, I could polish away ANY meal at Cheesecake Factory and finish with a nice piece of cheesecake.
    Lol, I'm 52 and eat almost 3,000 calories daily. That's not "pigging" out either. It's just calorie dense food.

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  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Well y'all have convinced me that 3000 calories could be easily achieved :lol: I'm eyeballs deep in diet mode!
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
    3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.

    Here's a daily meal plan involving no restaurants, no ridiculous portions, no packaged chips/junk food, no alcohol, no full-calorie sodas, all prepared entirely at home, which is over 3000 calories. It's eggs, bacon and toast for breakfast, a turkey breast sandwich and a handful of almonds for lunch, and a moderate-sized steak, baked potato and broccoli for dinner:

    Breakfast - 1080 calories
    2 jumbo eggs cooked in 1 tbsp. olive oil (300 calories)
    2 slices toast with 2 tbsp. butter (440 calories)
    3 slices bacon, cooked in 1 tbsp. olive oil (230 calories)
    8 oz. glass orange juice (110 calories)

    Lunch - 940 calories
    4 oz. sliced turkey breast (120 calories)
    2 slices Dave’s Killer Bread Powerseed (220 calories)
    1 tbsp. mayonnaise (100 calories)
    ½ avocado, sliced (130 calories)
    Lettuce, tomato, onion (~30 calories)
    2 oz. smoked almonds (340 calories)
    Diet cola (0 calories)

    Dinner - 1210 calories
    8 oz. ribeye steak (656 calories)
    Baked potato (281 calories)
    1 tbsp. butter (110 calories)
    2 tbsp. sour cream (60 calories)
    3 oz. broccoli (103 calories)
    Iced tea, unsweetened (0 calories)

    Total daily calories - 3230
  • ouryve
    ouryve Posts: 572 Member
    I was consistently consuming 2-2.5k calories per day. 3000 was more than I could ever manage and feel comfortable.

    It was still enough for me to creepingly become more and more overweight, though. I maintained around 1900, but it only took a slice of cake or extra round of toast a day to go way over.

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