All calories may not be equal
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.
I can do it every day and will do it everyday when I maintain. And I have done it in the past. First thing I add when I increase calories is add more fat to my diet (nuts, avocado, full fat yogurt, granola, etc...).4 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
Cheesecake Factory is at most a once a month occasion. And anyone with half a brain would eat half and take the other half home, because the portions are so large. They also have lots of better options.
Imagine eating the entire Bistro Shrimp Pasta with a couple of beers, and having a piece of strawberry cheesecake for desert. Gut buster!
You said nothing about times a month/occasions or/and brain requirements. All you said was (you are not eating 3,000 calories) it was hard to do. I pointed out that it wasn't and gave just a few of dozens and dozens available examples of why it's not hard to do. My roommate has cooked in the kitchen about 3 times in the last year. It shows.2 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.
Wait a diddly darn second. First you say you ate like a pig and more than anyone you knew and never gained weight and now you're like "Whoah dude, 3000 calories is a ton!"?
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Getting back to the original topic, it's a decidedly anecdotal fact that calories have a more energizing effect on trolls than your average bear. Please don't feed the trolls.9
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I feel so bad for OP.2
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Wynterbourne wrote: »
Sorry, but not as hard as you may think for people that eat out.
Cheesecake Factory The Bistro Shrimp Pasta - 3,120 calories
Cheesecake Factory Bruleed French Toast - 2780 calories
Cheesecake Factory - Farfalle With Chicken and Roasted Garlic - 2410 calories
Sonic: Large Peanut Butter Caramel Pie Malt (just one milkshake) - 2170 calories
Maggiano's Little Italy Veal Porterhouse - 2,710 calories
Johnny Rockets Bacon & Cheddar Double Cheeseburger (just the burger) - 1,770 calories.
I could go on.
Jeebers, remind me not to eat there if they ever open one here! Every one of those sounds like heaven on a plate. I could see myself ordering an entrée, main and dessert
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I can do it every day and will do it everyday when I maintain. And I have done it in the past. First thing I add when I increase calories is add more fat to my diet (nuts, avocado, full fat yogurt, granola, etc...).
When he was working an active job, my 6'2" 155 pound husband required around 4,000 to maintain his weight (we used him as a test subject in my nutrition class). That's a lot of food. When he was single he used to get the family entree sized frozen dinners and eat them - I called them "Glutton Man" dinners.3 -
bethannien wrote: »I feel so bad for OP.
To be fair, going to a calorie-counting website, and posting that calorie-counting isn't necessary as per this book is kinda asking for an argument.
If it makes you feel better, maybe she quit because she doesn't need to count calories? :drinker:8 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.
3000 calories a day, every day? Not even a challenge. I'm losing, on average, a pound a week on around 2300/day, and I eyeball a lot of things and rarely use a food scale so it's probably a bit more than that. I can (and have in the past) easily thrown down 3000+ a day, effortlessly and repeatedly. In fact, when I transition to maintenance/recomp, that's exactly what I'll be doing - somewhere in the range of 3000-3200/day.2 -
3000 calories a day, every day? Not even a challenge. I'm losing, on average, a pound a week on around 2300/day, and I eyeball a lot of things and rarely use a food scale so it's probably a bit more than that. I can (and have in the past) easily thrown down 3000+ a day, effortlessly and repeatedly. In fact, when I transition to maintenance/recomp, that's exactly what I'll be doing - somewhere in the range of 3000-3200/day.
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I could easily hit 3000 calories eating at places like cheesecake factory. But getting that much at home day in day out, i reckon I'd struggle. My blowout cheat days rarely hit 2500 calories. I'm a total lightweight failure
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When I was in treatment for anorexia I was on a 3600 calorie a day meal plan... And I only gained about 0.4-0.6 kg a week surprisingly1
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I'm a huge fan of quite a few calorie dense foods like cheese (smoked gruyère *drool*), sour cream, pasta, cashews, etc... I'd have no problem eating 3000 calories on a regular daily basis. Not to mention the 10+ gallons of homebrewed wine and mead in my closet from before I started the diet. Not going through it anywhere near the pre-diet speed so haven't started any new batches recently. LOL4
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Christine_72 wrote: »I could easily hit 3000 calories eating at places like cheesecake factory. But getting that much at home day in day out, i reckon I'd struggle. My blowout cheat days rarely hit 2500 calories. I'm a total lightweight failure
Adding one pint of Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter ice cream (1360 calories) to my current deficit intake would put me at 3660. I don't think many people would consider a pint of ice cream per day as an undue hardship.
Alternately, I could cook my morning eggs in a couple tablespoons of olive oil (+240 calories), have 2 ounces of almonds for a mid-morning snack (+320 calories), slice up half an avocado and add it to my salad for dinner (+130 calories). Add those to my normal daily intake and boom, I'm at 3000 calories and would barely notice any difference in terms of satiety.6 -
Adding one pint of Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter ice cream (1360 calories) to my current deficit intake would put me at 3660. I don't think many people would consider a pint of ice cream per day as an undue hardship.
Alternately, I could cook my morning eggs in a couple tablespoons of olive oil (+240 calories), have 2 ounces of almonds for a mid-morning snack (+320 calories), slice up half an avocado and add it to my salad for dinner (+130 calories). Add those to my normal daily intake and boom, I'm at 3000 calories and would barely notice any difference in terms of satiety.
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I'd have no problem eating a pint of ice cream, and yes it would be easy adding lashings of oil to things without noticing it much. 1 -
I eat 2800 calories everyday right now. An extra 200? That's just one pop tart.gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
It's not a big deal. Anybody can do it. But everyday? I don't think so. Not even close.
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When you remember that people don't just eat calories; they drink them, it becomes clearer how easy 3000 calories/day would be. Venti caramel frappucino = 510 cals. Venti caramel macchiato = 300 cals. For example.5
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Lol, I could eat that drinking diet soda (which I do now anyway). You could eat 3 foot longs with no chips and no mayo and hit 3000 calories in a day.gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.
Don't hate because you can't do.
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stevencloser wrote: »
Wait a diddly darn second. First you say you ate like a pig and more than anyone you knew and never gained weight and now you're like "Whoah dude, 3000 calories is a ton!"?
I ate like a pig when I was 21. Now I'm 57 and I don't eat like a pig. Nice try. But if I wanted to, I could polish away ANY meal at Cheesecake Factory and finish with a nice piece of cheesecake.0 -
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Wynterbourne wrote: »
You said nothing about times a month/occasions or/and brain requirements. All you said was (you are not eating 3,000 calories) it was hard to do. I pointed out that it wasn't and gave just a few of dozens and dozens available examples of why it's not hard to do. My roommate has cooked in the kitchen about 3 times in the last year. It shows.
My typical breakfast is two eggs with shredded cheese or a Greek yogurt. For lunch I might have a tuna or a turkey sandwich. Snacks are next to nothing. So I'm going into dinner having eaten about 700 calories. Could I have a 2,300-calorie dinner every night? Sure. But I don't because I don't pig out. Could I eat a giant bag of chips with sour cream dip through the course of a day and pack on another 2,000 calories? Of course. But I don't.0 -
I know. Sounds like bull poo. Lol, he probably forgot about that thread. The irony.stevencloser wrote: »
Wait a diddly darn second. First you say you ate like a pig and more than anyone you knew and never gained weight and now you're like "Whoah dude, 3000 calories is a ton!"?
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Lol, I'm 52 and eat almost 3,000 calories daily. That's not "pigging" out either. It's just calorie dense food.gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
I ate like a pig when I was 21. Now I'm 57 and I don't eat like a pig. Nice try. But if I wanted to, I could polish away ANY meal at Cheesecake Factory and finish with a nice piece of cheesecake.
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Well y'all have convinced me that 3000 calories could be easily achieved
I'm eyeballs deep in diet mode! 2 -
3000 calories is nothing. There's a reason I got fat, I can easily scarf down 5000-7000 calories in a day.7
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »3,000 calories? Do you know how much that it is? Sorry, but unless your have a big meal with drinks at a restaurant, drinking a six-pack of Coke, or eating entire giant bags of chips, you are not eating 3,000 calories. And if we were, just about every woman and most men would be obese.
Here's a daily meal plan involving no restaurants, no ridiculous portions, no packaged chips/junk food, no alcohol, no full-calorie sodas, all prepared entirely at home, which is over 3000 calories. It's eggs, bacon and toast for breakfast, a turkey breast sandwich and a handful of almonds for lunch, and a moderate-sized steak, baked potato and broccoli for dinner:
Breakfast - 1080 calories
2 jumbo eggs cooked in 1 tbsp. olive oil (300 calories)
2 slices toast with 2 tbsp. butter (440 calories)
3 slices bacon, cooked in 1 tbsp. olive oil (230 calories)
8 oz. glass orange juice (110 calories)
Lunch - 940 calories
4 oz. sliced turkey breast (120 calories)
2 slices Dave’s Killer Bread Powerseed (220 calories)
1 tbsp. mayonnaise (100 calories)
½ avocado, sliced (130 calories)
Lettuce, tomato, onion (~30 calories)
2 oz. smoked almonds (340 calories)
Diet cola (0 calories)
Dinner - 1210 calories
8 oz. ribeye steak (656 calories)
Baked potato (281 calories)
1 tbsp. butter (110 calories)
2 tbsp. sour cream (60 calories)
3 oz. broccoli (103 calories)
Iced tea, unsweetened (0 calories)
Total daily calories - 32303 -
I can eat 3000 calories without "pigging out" or eating out.
1000 calorie breakfast: breakfast burrito w/ eggs, sausage, cheese, avocado, flour tortilla, 8 oz of orange juice
800 calorie lunch: turkey sandwich on sourdough bread w/ mayo and cheese, single serving bag of chips
1200 calorie dinner: 6oz pan-fried teriyaki-marinated salmon, Brussels sprouts roasted w/ oil, cup of rice, 2 glasses of wine
Part of learning how to control calories involved using smaller amounts of fats, realizing I do better with small or no breakfast, drinking fewer calories, and skipping non-satiating sides like chips. Just because I'm now used to my meals being 300-500 calories doesn't mean I feel like a pig when I eat a lot more than that. Calorie-dense meals feel like reasonable sizes until I log them.6 -
I was consistently consuming 2-2.5k calories per day. 3000 was more than I could ever manage and feel comfortable.
It was still enough for me to creepingly become more and more overweight, though. I maintained around 1900, but it only took a slice of cake or extra round of toast a day to go way over.0
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