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BreezeDoveal wrote: »
No. He tried drinking a gallon of milk a day to gain weight one summer, though.0 -
Metabolism also plays a part:
https://www.sharecare.com/health/metabolism-and-weight-loss/how-does-metabolism-influence-weight-loss
Metabolism accounts for 60-75% (and in some cases maybe more) of your calories burned. Muscle is directly tied to metabolism. The more muscle one has, the greater their metabolic expenditure. And for every 1lb of muscle gained, an additional 4-6 calories per day are burnt. And as many people age, they tend to lose muscle which can be contributed to a lot of factors (inactivity, poor diets, etc..).
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The son who wants to gain appears to have a really high basal metabolic rate.0
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Bro, let's face it.....................sometimes you can't teach an old dog new tricks.gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I was trying to make two points:
1) If calorie counting, weighing and measuring is too difficult or you just don't want to do it, start off with packaged foods, eggs, etc. that require no counting, weighing and measuring.
2) I never said counting, weighing and measuring is OCD. I said a LIFETIME of counting, weighing and measuring is OCD. You've been counting, weighing and measuring for a year and you reached your goal. That one year has trained you how to eat. And as I said above, if you gain two pounds, start counting, measuring and weighing again to lose the two pounds.
Sheesh!
Yes, you have said all that and you are still wrong.
Like I said, some of us have more goals than a healthy weight that require as much accuracy as we can accomplish. That's not OCD. That's being dedicated to something you ENJOY and working towards goals.
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »
No. He tried drinking a gallon of milk a day to gain weight one summer, though.
Well that would increase his risks of acne, cancner, and 400 other conditions.
Good thing he stopped. You are random.0 -
Lol, when you say "convert" you're talking about someone changing their genetics?BreezeDoveal wrote: »An efficient metabolism is able to do more work with less input.
ETA: Just like an efficient car gets better gas mileage, so you need to fill it up less often.
Some people convert their cars to run on grease trap leavings. They then collect the leavings for free so their car essentially is the best mileage of all when you think about the costs.
Maybe some people's metabolisms are like that.
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Lol, when you say "convert" you're talking about someone changing their genetics?BreezeDoveal wrote: »An efficient metabolism is able to do more work with less input.
ETA: Just like an efficient car gets better gas mileage, so you need to fill it up less often.
Some people convert their cars to run on grease trap leavings. They then collect the leavings for free so their car essentially is the best mileage of all when you think about the costs.
Maybe some people's metabolisms are like that.
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Hehe. Convertibles0 -
Bro, let's face it.....................sometimes you can't teach an old dog new tricks.gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I was trying to make two points:
1) If calorie counting, weighing and measuring is too difficult or you just don't want to do it, start off with packaged foods, eggs, etc. that require no counting, weighing and measuring.
2) I never said counting, weighing and measuring is OCD. I said a LIFETIME of counting, weighing and measuring is OCD. You've been counting, weighing and measuring for a year and you reached your goal. That one year has trained you how to eat. And as I said above, if you gain two pounds, start counting, measuring and weighing again to lose the two pounds.
Sheesh!
Yes, you have said all that and you are still wrong.
Like I said, some of us have more goals than a healthy weight that require as much accuracy as we can accomplish. That's not OCD. That's being dedicated to something you ENJOY and working towards goals.
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He isn't eating enough to support gaining mass. I've had this same discussion with skinny guys who train a million times. Until they actually track how much they eat, they really don't have any idea. Many times I see guys claiming they eat a lot, then when calorie counts come out, they are eating 2500-3000 calories. Now that may seem a lot, but for an active teen/20 year old male, that's usually just maintenance.I guess my skinny boy secretly starved himself? Not! He is still working hard to gain. He is frustrated because he is weight training and having trouble putting on mass.
If he ate just a large pizza 4 times a day (even if it was just cheese), he'd gain weight.
This coming from a former skinny kid who became a bodybuilder and found out I needed to eat 4,000+ calories to put on mass.
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The son who wants to gain appears to have a really high basal metabolic rate.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10326769/are-you-a-hard-gainer-please-read#latest
That might be a helpful thread for your son. Lots of high calorie food options in there. But as a growing child, their metabolic rates are going to be a lot higher. When we generally talk metabolism, we are speaking in terms of grown adults.3 -
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Metabolism also plays a part:
https://www.sharecare.com/health/metabolism-and-weight-loss/how-does-metabolism-influence-weight-loss
Metabolism accounts for 60-75% (and in some cases maybe more) of your calories burned. Muscle is directly tied to metabolism. The more muscle one has, the greater their metabolic expenditure. And for every 1lb of muscle gained, an additional 4-6 calories per day are burnt. And as many people age, they tend to lose muscle which can be contributed to a lot of factors (inactivity, poor diets, etc..).
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He isn't eating enough to support gaining mass. I've had this same discussion with skinny guys who train a million times. Until they actually track how much they eat, they really don't have any idea. Many times I see guys claiming they eat a lot, then when calorie counts come out, they are eating 2500-3000 calories. Now that may seem a lot, but for an active teen/20 year old male, that's usually just maintenance.I guess my skinny boy secretly starved himself? Not! He is still working hard to gain. He is frustrated because he is weight training and having trouble putting on mass.
If he ate just a large pizza 4 times a day (even if it was just cheese), he'd gain weight.
This coming from a former skinny kid who became a bodybuilder and found out I needed to eat 4,000+ calories to put on mass.
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Thanks! He will be happy to know that there is still hope to gain muscle mass and bulk.0 -
He isn't eating enough to support gaining mass. I've had this same discussion with skinny guys who train a million times. Until they actually track how much they eat, they really don't have any idea. Many times I see guys claiming they eat a lot, then when calorie counts come out, they are eating 2500-3000 calories. Now that may seem a lot, but for an active teen/20 year old male, that's usually just maintenance.I guess my skinny boy secretly starved himself? Not! He is still working hard to gain. He is frustrated because he is weight training and having trouble putting on mass.
If he ate just a large pizza 4 times a day (even if it was just cheese), he'd gain weight.
This coming from a former skinny kid who became a bodybuilder and found out I needed to eat 4,000+ calories to put on mass.
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To build on to niner. If you spend time in the gaining weight section, there is a thread about fast metabolisms almost every day (the opposite of GD&WL). Interestingly enough, when they document how many calories they are eating, they fall within the standard deviation. In the few years I have been in that section, anecdotally, only one guy had a fast metabolism (diagnosed hyperthyroidism) and one had a malabsorption issue which is another ball game.1 -
I would think 4000+ calories is a lot, though. Wouldn't that indicate a good calorie burn rate?0
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He does like high adrenaline sports. Okay. He probably does need more. But what comes first, good metabolism and desire for sports or vice versa? Could I up my TDEE calories to 3000 from 1700?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »You must have never tried/will never try to cook any of the recipes Modernist Cuisine puts out. Or lurked the uber-serious baking forums to scrape recipes/troubleshoot baking problems. Everything is in grams and/or Baker's percentages.
I understood @stevencloser to be joking. Perhaps because he is, or perhaps because of my time in restaurants in which the bakers used food scales.
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