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    • Posts: 16,049 Member
      Christine_72 wrote: »
      Here's my take on food OCD, wright or wrong..

      People who never eat outside of their home because they can't get an accurate calorie count/ people who take their food scale everywhere and weigh every crumb on their plate and log it there and then before deciding to eat it.

      If they prelog 150g of broccoli, they will take off every tiny spear until it weighs exactly 150g. Their diaries must show perfectly rounded numbers.

      If they weigh a prepackaged food that says 60g but it is 63g, they will cut off bits until it reaches 60g and throw that extra 3g in the trash.

      They will NEVER accept foods from someone else.

      If they buy a small tub of yogurt that weighs more or less than what is stated on the label, they will go in to full on panic mode and may stress over this conundrum for hours, and in the end will not eat it.

      They will panic over a 6oz increase on the scale.

      They will deny social invitations because it falls within their meal time/exercise schedule.



      Someone who simply weighs their food is NOT ocd.

      Talking of obsession.. The bolded is driving me nuts!!!!!!!

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      Christine_72 wrote: »
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      Talking of obsession.. The bolded is driving me nuts!!!!!!!

      Lolz nice.
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      Annahbananas wrote: »
      I proved calorie and calorie out only works. One week I ate nothing but donuts ice cream and other sweets just to see if it really was on par with science.

      I would never recommend this and I felt horrible that week but I lost the same amount of weight that week as I do when I lose weight eating the healthy foods of the same caloric intake.

      Why don't you try the donuts and ice cream for a year and see what happens. One week is meaningless.
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      gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
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      If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.

      God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.

      So.....saying if anyone reaches their goal weight but chooses to count calories and weigh food long term, they have OCD? You're really saying this?

      Please tell me I've misunderstood so that I can try to understand where you are coming from.
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      BreezeDoveal wrote: »
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      I'm not going to go tally and count who has OCD from their posts. As gonetothedogs19 points out, if I pay attention to all those little details, I'd have OCD myself. I'm not falling for SLLRunner's trick to have me give myself OCD.

      You are way off on your assumption. ;)
    • Posts: 325 Member
      edited August 2016
      Maxematics wrote: »
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      You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.

      That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.

      And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
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      Christine_72 wrote: »
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      Well said. I like the shaving off the 3 calories to get from 63 to 60. Excellent example of calorie counting gone awry.
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      gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
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      That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.

      And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.

      How many calories do you eat?
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      gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
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      That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.

      And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.

      My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
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      Maxematics wrote: »
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      This was from another thread about naturally lean people where he claimed that when he was in college he used to outeat all his friends and he never gained weight. That weight gain didn't start until he got older then piled on. We said he was underestimating his calorie intake back then. He said he wasn't and that he could remember everything both he and his friends ate in a day back in college 30 years ago. When asked for a sample day, he didn't provide one. Liquid calories were brought up, which he ignored because it didn't support his stance that some people can eat and eat and eat and never gain, despite eating at a surplus. I know some people want to believe it badly, but nobody's metabolism is that special aside from extremely rare medical conditions. The people who believe that tend to be justifiers of their own failure to lose weight.

      Interesting.
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      Maxematics wrote: »
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      This was from another thread about naturally lean people where he claimed that when he was in college he used to outeat all his friends and he never gained weight. That weight gain didn't start until he got older then piled on. We said he was underestimating his calorie intake back then. He said he wasn't and that he could remember everything both he and his friends ate in a day back in college 30 years ago. When asked for a sample day, he didn't provide one. Liquid calories were brought up, which he ignored because it didn't support his stance that some people can eat and eat and eat and never gain, despite eating at a surplus. I know some people want to believe it badly, but nobody's metabolism is that special aside from extremely rare medical conditions. The people who believe that tend to be justifiers of their own failure to lose weight.

      So you are saying that every bone-thin high school senior is bone thin strictly only because he or she doesn't eat a lot and/or is on the track team or another team. I find that incredibly hard to believe.
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      DebSozo wrote: »
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      My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.

      I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:

      - You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
      - You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.

      Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
    • Posts: 38,442 MFP Moderator
      edited August 2016
      gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
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      So you are saying that every bone-thin high school senior is bone thin strictly only because he or she doesn't eat a lot and/or is on the track team or another team. I find that incredibly hard to believe.

      In high school, many kids are still growing which is why they have an increase in metabolism. You will see the same thing with burn victims (which isn't uncommon to see 5000 calories/day expenditure). Also, many bone thin kids also tend to have weird/less patterned eating habits or are highly active. I used to be able to eat large pizzas, 3 big macs in one sitting, drink 72 oz of soda, etc.. and never gained weight during high school. But I was also a ice hockey player and soccer player. Also, would like to point out, that even daily self recollection/self surverying is very poor, let alone doing it from 30 years ago.

      But I digress, would you mind telling me how many calories you are eating now?
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      gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
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      I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:

      - You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
      - You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.

      Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.

      He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
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      gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
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      So you are saying that every bone-thin high school senior is bone thin strictly only because he or she doesn't eat a lot and/or is on the track team or another team. I find that incredibly hard to believe.

      There are loads of studies supporting the fact that the fact majority of people fall within the normal statistics regarding energy balance. Short of certain illnesses or metabolic disorders a persons size is dictated by CICO. There is some variance in absorbtion, TEF, food combinations etc that will alter a persons exacts of energy in, but in daily normal diets probably not more than a 15-20% influence, if that much.

      If you have any studies that show some people have no such disorders yet defy the laws of energy balance, I'm sure people would be open to reviewing them.

    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      I was never overweight growing up, but he was a seriously skinny kid. When you did the "pinch" test he only had skin and about a quarter inch between the fingers.
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      No worries. I know that my brother did eat a lot and burned it all off plus some. He was always scavenging food and didn't gain. On top of that he got the good hair (wavy and thick) and I got the poker straight thin hair. Genetics.
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      DebSozo wrote: »
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      He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.

      Of course you know. I certainly believe you. But most of the posters will say you have a hazy memory, or something like that, because there is no such thing as naturally thin people, when we all know there are plenty of naturally thin people.

      Intuitively, if you feed 500 full-grown 19-year-olds 2,000 calories a day, and they all exercise X amount, does anyone honestly believe they will gain/lose the same amount of weight?
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      edited August 2016
      Yeah sure. My underweight brother burned calories the same as everyone. Lol. ;):D. Suuuure....
    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      DebSozo wrote: »
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      He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.

      Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      NEAT plays a part:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9880251
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