All calories may not be equal
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DebSozo wrote:
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Of course you know. I certainly believe you. But most of the posters will say you have a hazy memory, or something like that, because there is no such thing as naturally thin people, when we all know there are plenty of naturally thin people.
Intuitively, if you feed 500 full-grown 19-year-olds 2,000 calories a day, and they all exercise X amount, does anyone honestly believe they will gain/lose the same amount of weight?
Based on facts:
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/Extending this into practical terms and assuming an average expenditure of 2000kcal a day, 68% of the population falls into the range of 1840-2160kcal daily while 96% of the population is in the range of 1680-2320kcal daily. Comparing somebody at or below the 5th percentile with somebody at or above the 95th percentile would yield a difference of possibly 600kcal daily, and the chance of this occurring (comparing the self to a friend) is 0.50%, assuming two completely random persons.
So there is some variation, but not that huge.
See the study I posted. There was a huge variation.0 -
He burned more calories because of his higher metabolism. No doubt in my mind.0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!1 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
I think people don't want to acknowledge that some people are more efficient burning calories.2 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DebSozo wrote:
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Of course you know. I certainly believe you. But most of the posters will say you have a hazy memory, or something like that, because there is no such thing as naturally thin people, when we all know there are plenty of naturally thin people.
Intuitively, if you feed 500 full-grown 19-year-olds 2,000 calories a day, and they all exercise X amount, does anyone honestly believe they will gain/lose the same amount of weight?
Based on facts:
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/Extending this into practical terms and assuming an average expenditure of 2000kcal a day, 68% of the population falls into the range of 1840-2160kcal daily while 96% of the population is in the range of 1680-2320kcal daily. Comparing somebody at or below the 5th percentile with somebody at or above the 95th percentile would yield a difference of possibly 600kcal daily, and the chance of this occurring (comparing the self to a friend) is 0.50%, assuming two completely random persons.
So there is some variation, but not that huge.
See the study I posted. There was a huge variation.
Non exercise activity thermogenesis is an increase in activity outside of metabolism and exercise. It doesn't mean they have a high metabolism, it means they move a lot. High NEAT is very common with those with active jobs (construction worker, teachers, nurse, etc...). Where metabolic rate is the amount of calories burned from running your body system. There is no doubt that some have higher NEATs, but metabolic rates don't vary too much.
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
How many calories do you eat?2 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
I think people don't want to acknowledge that some people are more efficient burning calories.
It's not about burning more effeciency, as there are some differences as demonstrated above, but many will confuse metabolism with NEAT/TEF/TEA3 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
How many calories do you eat?
No idea.0 -
Big muscular guys don't burn more calories per hour sitting on their couches than sarcopenic little old ladies sitting on their couches. And since we don't have any big muscular guys or sarcopenic little old ladies on this site it really doesn't matter anyway.
Right?
(Big sigh)2 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
The point about pre-packaged stuff being potentially off was a response to a poster who was claiming that it was better to change one's diet to be all packaged single-serving stuff vs. to have to weigh. IMO, saying you must use pre-packaged to count properly is way more neurotic than weighing one's foods*, and once you weigh it's not much of a hassle to weigh everything you put in a bowl or on a plate or use in cooking.
*If I were going to make such judgments, but I personally think it's wrong to do so.
I was that poster.
Bottom line - the vast majority of people fail at diets, whether they count calories or don't count calories.
My suggestion was that in order to make calorie counting easier for newbies, it would be much better to eat pre-packaged foods (including things like single-serve yogurts, cans of tuna fish and soup) or foods where you don't have to weigh or measure anything (like an egg).
It's hard enough to start any diet (which is why most people fail). Making newbies weigh and measure and obsess over calories on Day 1 makes the situation even worse, and will result in more failure.
The people here on this site who say its easy to weigh, measure and count remind me of vegans who say it's easy to be a vegan. Both are not easy.
You've revealed one of your hidden assumptions here - that the failure of newbies is disproportionately related to being overwhelmed by weighing of food. I would say it's far more likely that the failure of newbies is disproportionately related to not being able to eat everything they want in the portions that they want, which is not resolved by limiting them to specific foods (that will still be off by hundreds of calories).
In fact, you contradicted your own assumption at the start by saying that most people fail at diets regardless of counting calories. So why would counting calories in a way that severely restricts your eating solve the problem?
You missed the point. If you want more people to join the fraternity of calories counters, it is suggested that they start out eating pre-packaged food, eggs, etc.
And another thought - You are more likely to get an accurate count that way (add 10% to the label if you want to), than doing it on your own.
And another thought - Weigh and measuring yogurt because it's in a large container? How about keeping an empty single-serve container, and scooping the yogurt from the large container into the single-serve container? No counting necessary.
Now I'm wondering if you are serious or not.
Fraternity of calorie counters? What is that?
If you feel your method of estimation works for you, wonderful. Calorie counting and weighing food works for others of us.
Now I'm wondering what all of this has to do with a calorie being a calorie.
I realized I had no idea how this started too so I followed it back - looks like it went "all calories aren't equal, otherwise everyone would be losing weight" to "people aren't losing weight because they count calories inaccurately" to "counting calories is easy -lots of incorrect calorie counting- and also newbies should eat all prepackaged foods" and it all spiraled downhill from there.
Now we are off on a tangent again.0 -
NEAT plays a part:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9880251
This is an interesting study which I think highlights the difference in analysis on both sides. From your side, you use this as proof that excess food, for some people, is converted into them using more energy without them even thinking about it, therefore those people must be naturally thinner.
However, those who don't believe naturally thin people exist see this study as proof of their side - because all the extra energy expenditure was through extra activity, no matter how subconscious. The BMR remained similar enough to not account for the phenomenon ("BMR increased by an average of 5% in response to overfeeding (Table 2), accounting for 8% of the excess ingested energy."). The difference in calories burned was entirely in extra activity on top of BMR, although the activity wasn't intentional activity.
It's really the difference between an observation and scientific rigor. The observation says "that person is thin and doesn't seem to be doing much more than me/doesn't actively try to lose weight, that means they're naturally thin". The science says "that person is thin because they fidget more than others to burn off the calories they're consuming - naturally thin doesn't exist, they're just moving more in unnoticeable ways." You two are working from different definitions of "naturally thin".4 -
KetoneKaren wrote: »Big muscular guys don't burn more calories per hour sitting on their couches than sarcopenic little old ladies sitting on their couches. And since we don't have any big muscular guys or sarcopenic little old ladies on this site it really doesn't matter anyway.
Right?
(Big sigh)
I think the argument here is about whether one big muscular guy doing the same activity as another guy of same age, weight, muscles, etc. will burn significantly more.
Or same with the little old ladies.
No one is claiming that the big guy and the little old lady burn the same.
With Deb's brother, it's hardly unusual for a teen in the process of a growing period, especially one who gets to 6'3, to be able to eat lots and lots and not gain. It's really common (or was when I was young) for young men (and women) to sprout up before catching up in mass with their height, and to be fueling their growth by eating seemingly everything.
This is especially the case if the person noticing the eating is an older woman (mom) or smaller girl (sister). When I was a college freshman I ate whatever and didn't gain, but certainly was not skinny. My 6'5 boyfriend was able to eat seemingly endlessly and was much thinner than me. I didn't think this was remarkable -- he had 14 inches on me and was actually more active.
I do think NEAT, including that we don't do intentionally, plays a role -- Alan Aragon's Lean Muscle Diet book (decent despite the name) talks about some studies. I notice that when I'm not overweight I am naturally fidgity and tend to move a lot. When I am, sadly, I don't. Many people have the opposite, where they naturally decrease activity as they lose, whereas others are more likely to increase as they eat more (making it harder to gain for them). I don't think any of this is so extreme as to say people can't lose or are gravely at a disadvantage vs. others with weight maintenance, which is what people are arguing against (the "it's not fair, it's harder for me" thing).
Clearly overall TDEE varies a ton -- I am quite active and yet can never get anywhere near the calorie burn reported by a number of the men on the site. But that's fine, I'm smaller, why should I eat as much?4 -
NEAT plays a part:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9880251
This is an interesting study which I think highlights the difference in analysis on both sides. From your side, you use this as proof that excess food, for some people, is converted into them using more energy without them even thinking about it, therefore those people must be naturally thinner.
However, those who don't believe naturally thin people exist see this study as proof of their side - because all the extra energy expenditure was through extra activity, no matter how subconscious. The BMR remained similar enough to not account for the phenomenon ("BMR increased by an average of 5% in response to overfeeding (Table 2), accounting for 8% of the excess ingested energy."). The difference in calories burned was entirely in extra activity on top of BMR, although the activity wasn't intentional activity.
It's really the difference between an observation and scientific rigor. The observation says "that person is thin and doesn't seem to be doing much more than me/doesn't actively try to lose weight, that means they're naturally thin". The science says "that person is thin because they fidget more than others to burn off the calories they're consuming - naturally thin doesn't exist, they're just moving more in unnoticeable ways." You two are working from different definitions of "naturally thin".
Okay. I will remain open to other explanations.1 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
no, the point is it is impossible to truly know how many calories this person consumed on a daily basis. Studies have shown that most people under or over estimate the calories in their food portions by 35 to 50%.
Most people that everyone assumes have high metabolisms either 1) eat a lot less then you think they do or 2) have a higher activity level...
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NEAT plays a part:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9880251
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
I think people don't want to acknowledge that some people are more efficient burning calories.
How dare you! Hahaha thats gota be the best comment on here1 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
I think people don't want to acknowledge that some people are more efficient burning calories.
And more efficient means they burn LESS doing the same thing.9 -
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Metabolism and NEAT are factors.0
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Serious questions:
Is basic science education in public schools really this bad? I mean, adults, that I would think had similar education to what I had, constantly make fundamental mistakes regarding things that nobody past 9th grade should make.
Why aren't there more critical thinking classes as part of mandatory curriculum?
Is English still taught in schools? Because people seem to not understand basic words and what they mean.
Are people simply not smart enough to understand what they're reading and/or saying?7 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »Personally, If I was buying a horse, I'd want the low metabolism one. Think about all the money you'd save on horse feed that way. I wonder if anyone has studied the most efficient ways to feed animals and what level their metabolism varies. Maybe that kind of research would help both in the food supply and could be applied to humans.
The horse on the right should fit your needs. I'd go for the hat as well.
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Haven't read any responses, but I think if it were so easy to simply eat until satisfied most people wouldn't need to be here.4
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »
Intuitively, if you feed 500 full-grown 19-year-olds 2,000 calories a day, and they all exercise X amount, does anyone honestly believe they will gain/lose the same amount of weight?gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
You keep repeating the same old stuff as your argument that people have repeatedly told you is not what any single person is arguing. It's beginning to smell.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »NEAT plays a part:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9880251
You do know that NEAT is NOT metabolism, right?
Yes, the post you are quoting (that I wrote) clearly states "NEAT plays a part."
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Metabolism also plays a part:
https://www.sharecare.com/health/metabolism-and-weight-loss/how-does-metabolism-influence-weight-loss0 -
xjessicaxrx wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
I think people don't want to acknowledge that some people are more efficient burning calories.
How dare you! Hahaha thats gota be the best comment on here
Okay, I'll bite....but only because I think the point is being misunderstood in superfluous barbs.
Yes, some people are more efficient at burning calories, but it's not about having a magical metabolism, it's about activity level and, whether consciously or unconsciously, balancing that with how much you eat. How could it really be anything else?
My brothers and dad were similar in that they could eat anything they wanted, as much as they wanted, and still not gain an ounce. I was sure I ate about the same amount of food but I was overweight.
My dad worked at a strenuous job where he was constantly on the go.
My brothers seemed to eat a lot but were outside running and playing and were very active.
Me? I ate and was in my room reading all the time. I rarely moved, unless someone drug me out of the house to go and do something.
To this date, my younger brother is tall and skinny, and I once accused him of being lucky to have a fast metabolism. He said, "No, SLLRunnder, I don't have a fast metabolism. I just burn off any extra calories through activity."
There is no magic in losing weight, or maintaining gaining weight or maintaining.
If someone is losing weight quickly, or eating boatloads of food and not gaining weight, or they not losing weight when they are sure they are eating at a calorie deficit, they need to go to the doctor to be checked for a medical issue.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Maxematics wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »DancingDaffydils wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »Let me be clear, the OCD comment was aimed at those who stress over weighing a pre-packaged, single serving yogurt just incase the calories are off by +/- 5-10kcal. Those who weigh restaurant food and pick apart meals "just incase".
Counting calories is one thing but that is just not normal behaviour.
If I weren't weighing my food, I would be eating at least 200 more calories more than I should every day. Slices of bread, cups of yogurt, packaged food that says it has "about 1.5 servings" that really has more than three. I'm far from OCD, but yeah, I'm going to weigh all of that--because having lost 75lbs is better than not.
The receptionist at my physical therapist's office and I got to talking. She used to be obese. She has peanut butter and apples for breakfast, and still weighs it all out. She's not OCD either. She's doing what she needs to do to maintain her healthy weight. Over five years and counting.
Labeling people with a mental condition because you don't understand why they do what they do is ridiculous.
If you have reached your goal weight, and five years later you are still counting every calorie and weighing and measuring everything you eat, it is OCD.
God forbid you gain two pounds. Guess what? You can start counting again and lose the two pounds.
You are clueless about OCD and you have no business speaking about it. At this point I think you are purposely being disrespectful.
I mean no disrespect and I do not mean to be argumentative. It is just beyond my comprehension that a healthy person who works out and has reached the correct weight by counting, weighing and measuring, would continue to count, weigh and measure meal after meal after meal, year after year after year.
Just enjoy your food. Weigh yourself every day. I guarantee that nothing bad will happen to you other than gaining two pounds, which you can lose right away by counting, measuring and weighing.
Sorry, but I do not understand the obsession. And it is, in my opinion, an obsession.
There is a different between a habit and an obsession. There is a difference between a choice and a compulsion. There is a difference between having an obsession or a compulsion and having obsessive compulsive disorder. There is a difference between choosing to weigh and stressing about weighing. There is a difference between stressing about weighing and having obsessive compulsive disorder. Until you understand any of these differences, you need to stop throwing diagnoses around like they're Mardi Gras beads.
OK, here is my new diagnosis - it's odd.
You know what I think is odd? Someone who claims they ate more than all of their college friends and never gained weight. Someone who claims they can recall everything both them and their friends ate when they were in college over 30 years ago. I knew I remembered you. I remember calling you out in that other thread for having problems with a food scale and you said you didn't. I apologized for being mistaken. Now I'm annoyed that I apologized for that because you clearly do.
That's right. Almost 6' 1", 145 lbs., no exercise other than walking to class (like everyone else), and eating like a horse. That's me! Thanks for remembering.
And by the way, it's called a fast metabolism. I'm sure you have heard of that term.
My brother was like that. He was 6'3", 145 pounds, and ate like a horse. So I tend to think that certain individuals do have higher "engine" speeds and fast metabolisms.
I'll save the others from responding. This is a typical canned response:
- You weren't with him all the time. How do you know he wasn't running five miles everyday?
- You say he ate lie a "horse." What does that mean? You weren't counting his calories. And maybe he only ate like a horse when you were with him, and he didn't eat the rest of the day.
Something like that. In other words, the posters here who never met your brother, know more about him than you do.
He grew up with me. So I do know. As soon as my mom brought in groceries he was climbing on the counter as a child and eating up food. He kept the fast metabolism into teens and adulthood.
Did you weigh, measure, and log every morsel of food he ate???
See. I told you! This is the canned response. Did you weigh, measure and log his food?
Because you didn't, how dare you comment on his metabolism!!!
I think people don't want to acknowledge that some people are more efficient burning calories.
And more efficient means they burn LESS doing the same thing.
Clarification for you: Efficient Metabolism.0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Just a thought on my previous post.
If there are newbies who want to start counting calories, it should be strongly suggested to them, at least for the first month or so, that they only purchase foods where there can be no possible way of screwing up the calorie count.
A can of tuna fish, two eggs, pre-packaged frozen burgers on a bun, a can of soup, an ice cream bar (as opposed to scooping ice cream from a container), a pre-packaged burrito, etc. Just about anything where you can "leave your brain at home" when counting.
I have never read ANYBODY suggest this incredible simplification of the process.
Why would you ever suggest somebody only eat prepackaged foods? Frozen burgers on a bun? Barf.
I will continue cooking my meals from scratch, measure/weigh as closely as possible, and risk the calories in my homemade soup being less accurate than your can. Thanks.4
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