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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »You get boxed macaroni cheese here, but it's not like that's the gold standard. It doesn't have the same status as it seems to in the States where it's a kind of Platonic ideal. Nor is it usual to use processed cheese for cooking. It only comes in slices and is for sandwiches or cheeseburgers.
We make macaroni with cheese. Cheese, milk, butter and flour. Cheddar, usually.
Frankly, I don't get the obsession with boxed macaroni cheese. It's rubbish. If you want ready made macaroni cheese, you can buy it frozen, but honestly, plain pasta with butter and grated cheese is better than that boxed stuff. It doesn't taste of anything and it isn't even that easy to make, you have to add milk and butter and stir it for ages, it's hardly instant. Certainly no easier than making a cornflour-based cheese sauce.
I can only assume it's one of those nostalgia things, but to voluntarily choose that over real macaroni cheese... It's sadness in a box.
But then, we have CANNED macaroni cheese, and that is WORSE.
Omg that canned macaroni cheese had an interesting after taste didn't it?
Heinz ..how do you do so wrong2 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »You get boxed macaroni cheese here, but it's not like that's the gold standard. It doesn't have the same status as it seems to in the States where it's a kind of Platonic ideal. Nor is it usual to use processed cheese for cooking. It only comes in slices and is for sandwiches or cheeseburgers.
We make macaroni with cheese. Cheese, milk, butter and flour. Cheddar, usually.
Frankly, I don't get the obsession with boxed macaroni cheese. It's rubbish. If you want ready made macaroni cheese, you can buy it frozen, but honestly, plain pasta with butter and grated cheese is better than that boxed stuff. It doesn't taste of anything and it isn't even that easy to make, you have to add milk and butter and stir it for ages, it's hardly instant. Certainly no easier than making a cornflour-based cheese sauce.
I can only assume it's one of those nostalgia things, but to voluntarily choose that over real macaroni cheese... It's sadness in a box.
But then, we have CANNED macaroni cheese, and that is WORSE.
LOL, I didn't even imagine something like that COULD be canned.
I do think it's a nostalgia thing.
Truthfully, I'm a little out of the loop as to what's popular nowadays - no t.v. and so no ads (I do use netflix), and I've unintentionally surrounded myself with people who have similar ways of doing things. Do most of my neighbors live on processed cheese and bad chocolate? I have no idea. They seemed to back in the days when I was more social, but I've also noticed that better quality items are more accessible now than they used to be.0 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »You get boxed macaroni cheese here, but it's not like that's the gold standard. It doesn't have the same status as it seems to in the States where it's a kind of Platonic ideal. Nor is it usual to use processed cheese for cooking. It only comes in slices and is for sandwiches or cheeseburgers.
We make macaroni with cheese. Cheese, milk, butter and flour. Cheddar, usually.
Frankly, I don't get the obsession with boxed macaroni cheese. It's rubbish. If you want ready made macaroni cheese, you can buy it frozen, but honestly, plain pasta with butter and grated cheese is better than that boxed stuff. It doesn't taste of anything and it isn't even that easy to make, you have to add milk and butter and stir it for ages, it's hardly instant. Certainly no easier than making a cornflour-based cheese sauce.
I can only assume it's one of those nostalgia things, but to voluntarily choose that over real macaroni cheese... It's sadness in a box.
But then, we have CANNED macaroni cheese, and that is WORSE.
Wait, cornflour? No no no. Plain flour!
And for added yum, a few slices of tomato, a sprinkle of cheese and breadcrumbs, under the grill. YUM!
Canned macaroni is so weird. But I've had mac and cheese in the States that has tasted eerily similar.........2 -
I'm about to go find out if it's possible to make a single serving of mac & cheese with just a teaspoon of flour and a teaspoon of butter and a single ounce of cheddar. Wish me luck!1
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I'm sad that none of the macaroni cheese recipes so far have beer in them. Beer macaroni cheese is the best.2
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VintageFeline wrote: »Also, Velveeta isn't a thing here in the UK.
Not a thing in the US either. Also, the current presidential election is not happening.
Denial works for me. ;-)
I don't think I've ever actually had Velveeta, however. We did used to make an afternoon snack involving 4 saltines, a quartered slice of American cheese product, and pimento-stuffed olives, though. You melted the cheese on the cracker in the microwave.4 -
Plain flour and butter is best, but cornflour is the "instant" version - no need for a roux. My brother favours it (his kids are largely made of macaroni cheese) but my go to quick version is the aforementioned plain pasta with butter and cheese.
If you want to speed up the roux, stir some frozen veg (eg peas, sweetcorn) into the melted butter, dump in the flour, stir to coat, then add all the milk at once. The veg holds the flour and stops it going into lumps. And the veg is quite a nice addition, we prefer this to the plain sort now.
Re: -"I didn't know you could put mac and cheese in a can" - you CAN'T. The result is not macaroni cheese but an unholy, benighted creation. It is an abomination in the sight of the Lord. It tastes of feet. If you ever see it for sale and are tempted, for the love of all that is holy and precious, DON'T DO IT.!7 -
I know what a roux is and I use cheddar cheese to make mac and cheese, but I admit to have microwaved a block of velveeta with a can of rotel tomatoes. Pretty good as a dip.1
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My Mom always started mac & cheese with a proper butter/flour roux - and then added 2 lbs. of Velveeta
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I don't think I would like that.
It's like, there seems to be this perception of Velveeta as a naughty indulgence. It seems more like a punishment to me. A whole block of processed cheese? Do you want some Soylent Green with that?0 -
It's especially puzzling because as I understand it it's just as expensive as real cheese. That has me stumped. The only point of fake cheese is that it's cheap, surely?0
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@nutmegoreo I knew I liked you & this is why, your sense of humor!! :laugh:nutmegoreo wrote: »Well, if you had eaten 14, you would have been fine, but you had to cross the line. Diabetes for you!
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »It's especially puzzling because as I understand it it's just as expensive as real cheese. That has me stumped. The only point of fake cheese is that it's cheap, surely?
It's the way it melts. It's kind of creamy.
BTW, my single serve of scratch macaroni & cheese worked except I tried to top it with a little sprinkle of red pepper flakes but the bottle turned out not to be a shaker. It's pretty spicy.2 -
CorneliusPhoton wrote: »I know what a roux is and I use cheddar cheese to make mac and cheese, but I admit to have microwaved a block of velveeta with a can of rotel tomatoes. Pretty good as a dip.
I've had this. You're right, it's pretty tasty. Rotel is one of those things I found late in life.0 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »It's especially puzzling because as I understand it it's just as expensive as real cheese. That has me stumped. The only point of fake cheese is that it's cheap, surely?
Like I said, not an expert, but this (from wiki) is consistent with what I've heard from those who have fond memories of it:
"Velveeta is the brand name of a processed cheese product having a taste that is identified as a type of American cheese, but with a softer and smoother texture than cheese. As a result, when melted/heated, Velveeta maintains a fully integrated, and evenly clump-free liquid texture—the opposite of what results when cheese is melted or cooked at high heat."
As a kid my sister would always want American cheese on a burger/grilled cheese sandwich for similar reasons and because it had less of a distinctive taste than swiss or cheddar so melded better or something.0 -
Please stop boogering up this glorious chocolate thread with talk of the disgustingness that is Velveeta.3
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In the US section of the supermarket the other day they had jars of queso dip and I nearly bought it because curious.0
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I don't remember the last time I had cheese slices, well, outside Maccas anyway and even then that's rare. If I make burgers at home they do slices of blue cheese now for burgers, so I get those because I'm such a food snob.*
*Actually just making up for lost time, took my palate 32 years to come to terms with how awesome mouldy cheese is.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Also, Velveeta isn't a thing here in the UK.
Then how do you make Mac and cheese???
Ummm
Boil macaroni
Melt butter, tsp English mustard powder, clove garlic for 1 minute, add flour to make roue, add milk then extra strong cheddar
Mix with macaroni, top with more cheese and some panko breadcrumbs and bake till top is crispy
Why? How do you make macaroni cheese (no and)
That sounds delicious and is what we call specifically Baked Macaroni and Cheese.
When I make Mac and cheese I:
1) boil and drain macaroni
2) add milk and velveeta
3) heat and stir on stove until melty
4) serve
We have Kraft boxed Mac and cheese made from powder but that's the kind of thing you get for cheap and serve with hot dogs to children for an easy lunch. It's not our standard bearer.3 -
Velveeta sure didn't taste as good as I remembered it...1
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Another thought about fake cheese: I never had real mac & cheese and rarely had the boxed stuff as a kid. I remember the first time I made it from scratch I thought I had screwed up because it was grainy. Velveeta doesn't do that. I'm not a fan, but that's why people like it.0
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VintageFeline wrote: »I don't remember the last time I had cheese slices, well, outside Maccas anyway and even then that's rare. If I make burgers at home they do slices of blue cheese now for burgers, so I get those because I'm such a food snob.*
*Actually just making up for lost time, took my palate 32 years to come to terms with how awesome mouldy cheese is.
I never actually put cheese on a burger, as I like burgers as well without it, so I'd rather save the calories for some cheese on its own, for dessert. That way I also don't have to worry about how the flavors will meld.
I tend to use swiss for grilled cheese (not that I've had one in ages). Should probably branch out, but I want it to taste like it did when I was a kid.0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »I JUST ATE LIKE 15 FERRERO ROCHES CHOCOLATES! Ik that one day of really bad eating wont affect ur whole weightloss journey just like one day of healthy eating wont make you lose weight but seriously will i get diabetes or something, this is literally more addictive than cocaine. Sorry if this post is stupid but i can't make myself be in control around food!
Something tells me you haven't tried cocaine then.
Your fine, relax....eating some chocolate isn't going to instantly give you diabetes. Work on your self control and general confidence and remind yourself of your goals and why you want them. If ferro Roche chocolates are more important than those goals then dig in...if they are less important put them aside. Self control is a skill learned through practice and repetition.
@Aaron_K123 I agree on the coke comment. The rest of your post is very enlightening and quite helpful. It's way more than that for me but can't think of any better words at the moment. Thank you for posting, amazing how one person can begin a thread and so many others can benefit from it by others comments!
Insightful, that's what we'll go with on your response. Your words helped me put things in perspective once again.
OP - you got some good responses, the ones that suggest you log and move on and perhaps enjoy a few as a treat ..that in a nutshell. So no freaking out, just breathe.... maybe go for a walk, drink plenty of water to get rid of some of the sugar so you're not up all night.
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From my past experience, keep the damn chocolates out of the house. I dont care for that silly advice about having one every now and again. Stale chocolate is grey and yuck.0
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »It's especially puzzling because as I understand it it's just as expensive as real cheese. That has me stumped. The only point of fake cheese is that it's cheap, surely?
Honestly? I think we're paying for the brand name. It's been around forever and they keep charging us for that fact. Yes cheese food/product should definitely NOT be more expensive than cheese, one would think. But.... it's Velveeta :laugh: and apparently there's a shortage of Velveeta currently?
Here's a recipe for homemade Velveeta using only 4 ingredients: powdered milk, gelatin, shredded cheddar cheese & water.
http://www.spendwithpennies.com/copycat-recipe-homemade-velveeta-cheese/0 -
CorneliusPhoton wrote: »
This is just so good. It shouldn't be, but it is. Though there was the time when I made a batch, turned my back for a moment and turned back round to find the cat on the worktop with his head in the dish. He was up to his ears in it.4 -
To be fair, it takes 1 minute to stir Kraft Mac and Cheese. And my kids will take that over homemade. Sigh.
I really like Amy's mac and cheese though.1 -
I'm jumping in without reading this whole thing. Sorry. There's this recipe for mac and cheese where you cook the pasta in a measured amount of milk and then when it's done, stir in grated cheese. The starch in the pasta thickens the milk and takes the place of roux.
I keep wanting to try it. The kids keep acting like I want to poison them.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »In the US section of the supermarket the other day they had jars of queso dip and I nearly bought it because curious.
Tostitos brand?? You should have!!1
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