Obesity. Are you just lazy and dumb?
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My take....don't have kids unless you absolutely can care for them by yourself, and have great life insurance in case.
#1 reason why women are poor, usually overweight with no time for themselves is because they have a kid or two, or three. If I could get into the face of as many high school females as I could this is what I would share. Margaret has a degree in Mathematics, but since the degree wasn't a doctorate, and had no clue the sperm donor would vacate and leave her nothing, she couldn't save her from her situation because she had kids to care for by herself.
And look at Chad....if he had kids, he's not getting fat cause he didn't physically have them, nor is at home with the kids. He is out building a business, networking, socializing, probably without the ball and chain and the rug rats.
I love kids, I have one, and I love her and sacrificed so much for her. But I knew if I did not make a great income beforehand, our lives could have been much like Margaret. I still put on weight cause after work and homework and dinner, there's an exhausted Mom who has to start over again the next day, get kid ready, drop kid off at childcare/school, then get to work by 9:00 so that you can leave by 5:00 to get the kid before the 6:00p deadline (or you're paying $5 each minute you're late.
Unless you're a single dad, most men have not a clue. They are being Chad.12 -
I have never been dumb. I think few of us live as polarised lives as your clearly extreme examples
I was obese because I ate too much, didn't move enough and didn't commit enough to changing because I was convinced I was fine and because I was too lazy to find a way too change, it wasn't a priority to me
I'm not sure what I think about your post. I'm not one to fat shame but I also can't abide excuses.
I appreciate it is harder for some than others. I get that society stacks the decks. But there's also a line of personal responsibility.
I work with people who have the cards stacked against them in many ways (not in fitness) excuses don't cut it, failing to try is trying to fail.
I really don't know what to think of your postI have never been dumb. I think few of us live as polarised lives as your clearly extreme examples
I was obese because I ate too much, didn't move enough and didn't commit enough to changing because I was convinced I was fine and because I was too lazy to find a way too change, it wasn't a priority to me
I'm not sure what I think about your post. I'm not one to fat shame but I also can't abide excuses.
I appreciate it is harder for some than others. I get that society stacks the decks. But there's also a line of personal responsibility.
I work with people who have the cards stacked against them in many ways (not in fitness) excuses don't cut it, failing to try is trying to fail.
I really don't know what to think of your post
Nothing in my post removes the importance of personal responsibility nor does it have anything to do with "making excuses".11 -
KimCarbdashian wrote: »Margaret and I could be siblings.
I couldn't lose weight when I was working 70 hours per week.
I couldn't lose weight when my pantry was full of cheap processed foods.
I couldn't lose weight when I had no support from family and friends who also ate cheap processed foods.
I couldn't lose weight when all of my knowledge about health and fitness could be summarized as "follow this fad" and "Dude, just stop being fat".
What changed?
Skills training to get a better job
Access to healthier food and an affordable gym
A supportive fitness-focused friend group
A trainer who provided empathy and education
It took years of effort to clear the roadblocks between myself and a healthy lifestyle. The comments, the stares, the unsolicited advice, the "tough love" did nothing but make me withdraw more, eat more, and hate myself more.
Offer your hand to others, not your judgement.
You're an awesome human
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Being morbidly obese is a bit different than needing to lose 20 pounds to fit into a bikini. Being obese has nothing to do with being dumb, or lazy. There are a multitude of factor that work to get folks there, and a multitude more that KEEP people there. Mental, physical, biological, and emotional reasons.
And unless you have walked that path yourself, you are not qualified to judge. Period.
But this post gets at the root of a lot of it. Not excuses. Just the fact that everyone with a severe weight problem walked a long and different path to get there. And self hatred and the judgement of others can be one of the reasons they STAY there.
I can't tell you how many people I know that won't go to the gym because they are so terrified of being judged as dumb, lazy, or disgusting. They are afraid of change, and of failure, and the prison of fat they have built around themselves may be stealing their mobility, but at least it's familiar and "safe".
The best way to help people break out of that self imposed prison is to value people for who they are, and where they are. And for goodness sake, welcome ANYONE in your gym. Even that 50 year old 300 pound woman who made the amazing and brave decision to try.
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Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.14 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.
Not necessarily.
You absolutely cannot look at someone's body and tell what their priorities are.
That 300lb person might have already lost 150 and still be losing.7 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.
Not necessarily.
You absolutely cannot look at someone's body and tell what their priorities are.
That 300lb person might have already lost 150 and still be losing.
True. But I think it's safe to assume that at the time they became obese they were prioritizing things other than their health. Doesn't make them dumb or lazy, they may have had good reasons.
That applies to me as well, times I've become overweight I wasn't prioritizing my health. I was very busy at the time so not lazy and I don't think I caught a case of the dumb or anything. I own my decisions.9 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.
Not necessarily.
You absolutely cannot look at someone's body and tell what their priorities are.
That 300lb person might have already lost 150 and still be losing.
True. But I think it's safe to assume that at the time they became obese they were prioritizing things other than their health. Doesn't make them dumb or lazy, they may have had good reasons.
In many cases definitely but I'd still say not in all cases, and so I disagree that this is a safe assumption.
In fact I'm willing to wager that there are multiple people on this website who have made diligent efforts to prioritize their health and who were obese as a child and are still obese now.
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mysteps2beauty wrote: »My take....don't have kids unless you absolutely can care for them by yourself, and have great life insurance in case.
#1 reason why women are poor, usually overweight with no time for themselves is because they have a kid or two, or three. If I could get into the face of as many high school females as I could this is what I would share. Margaret has a degree in Mathematics, but since the degree wasn't a doctorate, and had no clue the sperm donor would vacate and leave her nothing, she couldn't save her from her situation because she had kids to care for by herself.
And look at Chad....if he had kids, he's not getting fat cause he didn't physically have them, nor is at home with the kids. He is out building a business, networking, socializing, probably without the ball and chain and the rug rats.
I love kids, I have one, and I love her and sacrificed so much for her. But I knew if I did not make a great income beforehand, our lives could have been much like Margaret. I still put on weight cause after work and homework and dinner, there's an exhausted Mom who has to start over again the next day, get kid ready, drop kid off at childcare/school, then get to work by 9:00 so that you can leave by 5:00 to get the kid before the 6:00p deadline (or you're paying $5 each minute you're late.
Unless you're a single dad, most men have not a clue. They are being Chad.
To make this happen we need free access to contraceptives and/or abortion services.
The sex drive is one of the strongest drives (most) people have, and expecting the population to be perfectly abstinent and only have sex when they are prepared for the possibility of pregnancy is both moralistic and naive.31 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.
Not necessarily.
You absolutely cannot look at someone's body and tell what their priorities are.
That 300lb person might have already lost 150 and still be losing.
True. But I think it's safe to assume that at the time they became obese they were prioritizing things other than their health. Doesn't make them dumb or lazy, they may have had good reasons.
In many cases definitely but I'd still say not in all cases, and so I disagree that this is a safe assumption.
In fact I'm willing to wager that there are multiple people on this website who have made diligent efforts to prioritize their health and who were obese as a child and are still obese now.
This is probably going to sound harsh but if someone prioritizes their health but is not healthy (or on their way to being healthy) wouldn't that mean they are ineffective? And if ineffective wouldn't that mean they are either not putting in the required effort (lazy) or they are taking the wrong approaches (maybe not dumb, but ignorant)?
That is why I choose to assume they just aren't prioritizing health...because if they are it's hard not to come to some judgmental conclusion.2 -
In your example SideSteel I feel Margaret is prioritizing her children, not her health. Most of her time is spent earning what she can and watching after them and as a result she is too tired and doesn't have the time to apply to her health nor the financial means to pay for help. Her situation is crappy...but it still means she isn't prioritizing her health, perhaps because in that situation it would be ethically wrong to do so.
She isn't healthy because in her life her own health isn't her priority. Understand I'm saying that without judgement. She may WANT to be healthy...but wanting something and applying oneself to it are not the same. When I say prioritize I'm not saying wish for, I'm saying put actual time and effort into.
Your example is of someone with too many responsibilities to adequately care for themselves. Can you think of an example of someone with plenty of free time who prioritizes their health but yet is consistently obese?10 -
Dude, seriously, let the poverty crutch go. The correlation only exists in the Western world, and only for the last half century or so. Obesity rates that are on the rise in places other than the first world are seeing their increases among the wealthiest classes.
So, we have three solutions to this. One is cruel, and two are outright inpossible.
A: micromanage what the poor are allowed to spend public funds on. (Impossible)
B: cut off all public assistance. (Cruel)
C: eliminate poor people. (Impossible)
The fact is that we live in a part of the world where food is just too damned easy to acquire, and our system enables harmful behavior in this area.
Personally though, I'd take the cruel option over the impossible. Funny enough, every working poor person that I know has the exact opposite problem. They don't qualify for public assistance, and are more on the "I look Ethiopian" side than Samoan.
ETA: my most strict and drastic cuts are done using frozen and canned foods, so yeah, that's irrelevant as well.1 -
mysteps2beauty wrote: »My take....don't have kids unless you absolutely can care for them by yourself, and have great life insurance in case.
#1 reason why women are poor, usually overweight with no time for themselves is because they have a kid or two, or three. If I could get into the face of as many high school females as I could this is what I would share. Margaret has a degree in Mathematics, but since the degree wasn't a doctorate, and had no clue the sperm donor would vacate and leave her nothing, she couldn't save her from her situation because she had kids to care for by herself.
And look at Chad....if he had kids, he's not getting fat cause he didn't physically have them, nor is at home with the kids. He is out building a business, networking, socializing, probably without the ball and chain and the rug rats.
I love kids, I have one, and I love her and sacrificed so much for her. But I knew if I did not make a great income beforehand, our lives could have been much like Margaret. I still put on weight cause after work and homework and dinner, there's an exhausted Mom who has to start over again the next day, get kid ready, drop kid off at childcare/school, then get to work by 9:00 so that you can leave by 5:00 to get the kid before the 6:00p deadline (or you're paying $5 each minute you're late.
Unless you're a single dad, most men have not a clue. They are being Chad.
I'm childfree, very much by choice. However, even I have to say that if people actually abided by this the human race would be well on the way to dying out, and the world economies would have been crushed by the aging population.5 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Dude, seriously, let the poverty crutch go. The correlation only exists in the Western world, and only for the last half century or so. Obesity rates that are on the rise in places other than the first world are seeing their increases among the wealthiest classes.
So, we have three solutions to this. One is cruel, and two are outright inpossible.
A: micromanage what the poor are allowed to spend public funds on. (Impossible)
B: cut off all public assistance. (Cruel)
C: eliminate poor people. (Impossible)
The fact is that we live in a part of the world where food is just too damned easy to acquire, and our system enables harmful behavior in this area.
Personally though, I'd take the cruel option over the impossible. Funny enough, every working poor person that I know has the exact opposite problem. They don't qualify for public assistance, and are more on the "I look Ethiopian" side than Samoan.
ETA: my most strict and drastic cuts are done using frozen and canned foods, so yeah, that's irrelevant as well.
The study I linked references the US only, as stated.
And I'm not using a "poverty crutch" as much as I'm trying to present an example to illustrate a point.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.
Not necessarily.
You absolutely cannot look at someone's body and tell what their priorities are.
That 300lb person might have already lost 150 and still be losing.
True. But I think it's safe to assume that at the time they became obese they were prioritizing things other than their health. Doesn't make them dumb or lazy, they may have had good reasons.
In many cases definitely but I'd still say not in all cases, and so I disagree that this is a safe assumption.
In fact I'm willing to wager that there are multiple people on this website who have made diligent efforts to prioritize their health and who were obese as a child and are still obese now.
This is probably going to sound harsh but if someone prioritizes their health but is not healthy (or on their way to being healthy) wouldn't that mean they are ineffective? And if ineffective wouldn't that mean they are either not putting in the required effort (lazy) or they are taking the wrong approaches (maybe not dumb, but ignorant)?
That is why I choose to assume they just aren't prioritizing health...because if they are it's hard not to come to some judgmental conclusion.
Regarding the bold: Sometimes, however quite often you can only conclude that the approach they are taking is not working and needs to be modified. This is not the same thing as being ignorant.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »In your example SideSteel I feel Margaret is prioritizing her children, not her health. Most of her time is spent earning what she can and watching after them and as a result she is too tired and doesn't have the time to apply to her health nor the financial means to pay for help. Her situation is crappy...but it still means she isn't prioritizing her health, perhaps because in that situation it would be ethically wrong to do so.
She isn't healthy because in her life her own health isn't her priority. Understand I'm saying that without judgement. She may WANT to be healthy...but wanting something and applying oneself to it are not the same. When I say prioritize I'm not saying wish for, I'm saying put actual time and effort into.
Your example is of someone with too many responsibilities to adequately care for themselves. Can you think of an example of someone with plenty of free time who prioritizes their health but yet is consistently obese?
Yes and in most cases they have successfully lost weight and maintained some of that loss but are still obese.
Although perhaps "plenty of free time" is not accurate in the examples I'm considering.
Multiple people who don't have children and have the financial resources to go to a gym and hire a trainer/coach however.
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Well it's 4am and I'm still pondering. I think I'm taking this thread a little personally as it touches on so many areas that quite clearly piss me off. Not least chattering classes PC agreement with oh yes must not judge as they turn away from problems, hard thoughts and realisations and continue to take no action.
In my line of work there were too many words, too many well meaning organisations caring about public perceptions; too many ever-changing policies and procedures, studies and extrapolations (I've recently left the coal-face cos I can't find it in me any more to continue to battle words and wish for actions even if that comes with judgement)
Anyway it's not the crux of this thread. My main contention is that people, irrespective of money or ease of situation, are not impotent.
I'm backing away now.7 -
You make a lot of good points.
I hope you're not saying it's impossible for Margarets to lose weight. It's not. Apologies if you think you'd made that obvious.
I'm sure as a PT you take a different approach to Margaret as to Chad.
Likewise as MFP Community posters, we need to reply to each poster differently depending on the individual's circumstances. A lot of tips and tricks are more appropriate for Margaret than they are for Chad and vice versa.
I feel I must also point out that in my innumerable hours spent in this forum, I can't recall an outright instance of fat-shaming.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Necessarily lazy and dumb? No.
Prioritizing other things over their health? Yeah.
Not necessarily.
You absolutely cannot look at someone's body and tell what their priorities are.
That 300lb person might have already lost 150 and still be losing.
Like me at the moment
It's been three years of work
After years of counseling to get a grip on the abuse.
Which I dealt with the pain by
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Self-medicating with food.
It's called comfort food for a reason.6 -
You make a lot of good points.
I hope you're not saying it's impossible for Margarets to lose weight. It's not. Apologies if you think you'd made that obvious.
I'm sure as a PT you take a different approach to Margaret as to Chad.
Likewise as MFP Community posters, we need to reply to each poster differently depending on the individual's circumstances. A lot of tips and tricks are more appropriate for Margaret than they are for Chad and vice versa.
I feel I must also point out that in my innumerable hours spent in this forum, I can't recall an outright instance of fat-shaming.
I'm not at all saying it's impossible for Margaret or anyone else to succeed.
I'm also not removing the importance of personal responsibility.
Fat shaming doesn't happen often at all on these forums which is quite fortunate and if it did I trust the moderators would handle it as they're pretty good overall here.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Dude, seriously, let the poverty crutch go. The correlation only exists in the Western world, and only for the last half century or so. Obesity rates that are on the rise in places other than the first world are seeing their increases among the wealthiest classes.
So, we have three solutions to this. One is cruel, and two are outright inpossible.
A: micromanage what the poor are allowed to spend public funds on. (Impossible)
B: cut off all public assistance. (Cruel)
C: eliminate poor people. (Impossible)
The fact is that we live in a part of the world where food is just too damned easy to acquire, and our system enables harmful behavior in this area.
Personally though, I'd take the cruel option over the impossible. Funny enough, every working poor person that I know has the exact opposite problem. They don't qualify for public assistance, and are more on the "I look Ethiopian" side than Samoan.
ETA: my most strict and drastic cuts are done using frozen and canned foods, so yeah, that's irrelevant as well.
The study I linked references the US only, as stated.
And I'm not using a "poverty crutch" as much as I'm trying to present an example to illustrate a point.
In retrospect, I see what you are doing. I tend to get a bit...agitated with anything that takes even a slight "your fat is not your fault" lean, even if it's not intentional. That monkey *kitten* reasoning is why my entire family, other than myself, remain landwhales to this day. "Genetics" and the reaffirming group-think that comes with it.7 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Dude, seriously, let the poverty crutch go. The correlation only exists in the Western world, and only for the last half century or so. Obesity rates that are on the rise in places other than the first world are seeing their increases among the wealthiest classes.
So, we have three solutions to this. One is cruel, and two are outright inpossible.
A: micromanage what the poor are allowed to spend public funds on. (Impossible)
B: cut off all public assistance. (Cruel)
C: eliminate poor people. (Impossible)
The fact is that we live in a part of the world where food is just too damned easy to acquire, and our system enables harmful behavior in this area.
Personally though, I'd take the cruel option over the impossible. Funny enough, every working poor person that I know has the exact opposite problem. They don't qualify for public assistance, and are more on the "I look Ethiopian" side than Samoan.
ETA: my most strict and drastic cuts are done using frozen and canned foods, so yeah, that's irrelevant as well.
The study I linked references the US only, as stated.
And I'm not using a "poverty crutch" as much as I'm trying to present an example to illustrate a point.
In retrospect, I see what you are doing. I tend to get a bit...agitated with anything that takes even a slight "your fat is not your fault" lean, even if it's not intentional. That monkey *kitten* reasoning is why my entire family, other than myself, remain landwhales to this day. "Genetics" and the reaffirming group-think that comes with it.
I think there are plenty of people who have a variety of conditions including obesity who don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and so hopefully nobody reads this post and assumes I'm encouraging this behavior.
I assure you I'm not, and I recognize that this attitude exists and it is preventative of success.
But I can see how people sensitive to this attitude could read into things whether I'm saying them or not, much in the same way that I am sensitive to people who judge or blame obese people without first making an effort to understand them, and I've made the mistake of assuming ill intent when it wasn't there.7 -
I heart you. Plain and simple.0
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I love this. Brilliant post.
I didn't see this as an excuses post. Not at all.
Thank you for this.2 -
mysteps2beauty wrote: »My take....don't have kids unless you absolutely can care for them by yourself, and have great life insurance in case.
#1 reason why women are poor, usually overweight with no time for themselves is because they have a kid or two, or three. If I could get into the face of as many high school females as I could this is what I would share. Margaret has a degree in Mathematics, but since the degree wasn't a doctorate, and had no clue the sperm donor would vacate and leave her nothing, she couldn't save her from her situation because she had kids to care for by herself.
And look at Chad....if he had kids, he's not getting fat cause he didn't physically have them, nor is at home with the kids. He is out building a business, networking, socializing, probably without the ball and chain and the rug rats.
I love kids, I have one, and I love her and sacrificed so much for her. But I knew if I did not make a great income beforehand, our lives could have been much like Margaret. I still put on weight cause after work and homework and dinner, there's an exhausted Mom who has to start over again the next day, get kid ready, drop kid off at childcare/school, then get to work by 9:00 so that you can leave by 5:00 to get the kid before the 6:00p deadline (or you're paying $5 each minute you're late.
Unless you're a single dad, most men have not a clue. They are being Chad.
glad you had the courage to say this.
And this day and age everyone should know about have access to birth control. Unfortunately many people just don't think before getting it on. I mean even the frikkin rhythm method would help somewhat...
'm going to shut up now before I go on tangents, just wanted to applaud you is all.2 -
I've read the OP and the responses several times, and I'm still not getting it. This may be because I don't understand why it's a comparison between two people - I have enough difficulty not comparing myself (now) to myself (before), without thinking about what anyone else is doing better or worse than me (either me!) - but I think it's also because I also see a lot of excuses. Margaret has difficulties that are easy to empathise with but I'm sure most of us that are overweight can, or have in the past, come up with excuses. None of those excuses are actually a reason for not losing weight. She doesn't need to exercise (I don't, for the same reasons as her) and she can buy canned/frozen foods that are nutritious and enable her to eat at a calorie deficit (I often do). So yeah, she may be intelligent and she may care about her body, but she's not smart enough or cares enough to focus on the things she can do about her weight.
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I never really think about other people in that way at all
I think people should mind their business
For myself I was lazy but I wouldn't say dumb. I just needed the right guidance to be able to move forward and succeed. That happened when I found this app
Many people don't know how to go about it and fail miserably then give up, that's not dumb.7 -
CurlyCockney wrote: »I've read the OP and the responses several times, and I'm still not getting it. This may be because I don't understand why it's a comparison between two people - I have enough difficulty not comparing myself (now) to myself (before), without thinking about what anyone else is doing better or worse than me (either me!) - but I think it's also because I also see a lot of excuses. Margaret has difficulties that are easy to empathise with but I'm sure most of us that are overweight can, or have in the past, come up with excuses. None of those excuses are actually a reason for not losing weight. She doesn't need to exercise (I don't, for the same reasons as her) and she can buy canned/frozen foods that are nutritious and enable her to eat at a calorie deficit (I often do). So yeah, she may be intelligent and she may care about her body, but she's not smart enough or cares enough to focus on the things she can do about her weight.
Smart enough.?
People believe you have to cut out all sorts to lose weight. Bread, pasta rice etc. There is also all that good food bad food issue we see in the forums daily. So it is so confusing at times what you can eat. So many people I suspect can't pass through week one without quitting.6 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »CurlyCockney wrote: »I've read the OP and the responses several times, and I'm still not getting it. This may be because I don't understand why it's a comparison between two people - I have enough difficulty not comparing myself (now) to myself (before), without thinking about what anyone else is doing better or worse than me (either me!) - but I think it's also because I also see a lot of excuses. Margaret has difficulties that are easy to empathise with but I'm sure most of us that are overweight can, or have in the past, come up with excuses. None of those excuses are actually a reason for not losing weight. She doesn't need to exercise (I don't, for the same reasons as her) and she can buy canned/frozen foods that are nutritious and enable her to eat at a calorie deficit (I often do). So yeah, she may be intelligent and she may care about her body, but she's not smart enough or cares enough to focus on the things she can do about her weight.
Smart enough.?
People believe you have to cut out all sorts to lose weight. Bread, pasta rice etc. There is also all that good food bad food issue we see in the forums daily. So it is so confusing at times what you can eat. So many people I suspect can't pass through week one without quitting.
Actually "smart enough" to ignore all the guff and nonsense is a thing and divorced from intelligence ..I do get what she's saying.
I actually think one of the major drives in tackling obesity would be destroying the multi million health & fitness industry, removing the platitudes and made up stuff and getting rid of sound bites. A focus from every news source, government agency, health agency and celebrity on eat fewer calories and move more. Make it illegal to sell or promote laxatives, detoxes, superfoods, super fat burners, to set up as a nutritionist or a naturopath, to make any claim without accurate, robust, peer reviewed and repeatable studies of a minimum size. Putting money into schools and restoring their playing foods, focusing the curriculum. ..yeah I also believe in unicorns :shrug:
But that's a nanny state and we don't do nanny states. That removes choice and private enterprise. So instead we coddle our population, protect their rights to obesity and ill health because it's a choice to eat excess calories, even on the poverty line it's a choice.
To escape from obesity is also a choice...yes it's a hard choice
Yes it's a harder choice for some than for others
Even those with all the benefits, even the Chads, fail. And bemoan their fate when they fail and say it's not fair.
We don't have the Margaret and Chad extremes in general, but we have the excuses, all of us do, as to why it's too hard for us, why it's easier for them
Screw it, I have seen people who focus and commit with all the cards stacked against them, I have watched teens say "screw that *kitten*" and go for it, and fall and get up again and I've watched them go on to college, or get a job or win a scholarship to top schools, and I've watched them give up and end up in jail, or on the streets, or worse...and if I could identify the difference I would say it's possibly family attitude and a indomitable force (generally a mother or grandmother, quite rarely a father) who says not for my child ...external agencies can't do it without them no matter how well meaning
Obesity is generational now and it is certainly cultural / societal
Maybe it can't be solved?
God I've really got to stop on this thread
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I appreciate it is harder for some than others. I get that society stacks the decks. But there's also a line of personal responsibility.
I couldn't agree more with this line. Life is not fair or equal but if you are not happy with your situation then you and you alone can make the decision to make a change.
Margaret may have all the odds stacked against her but CICO still applies.1
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