Culking Bishes!!! Winter2016 / Spring 2017
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I would say that you're definitely getting into that grey area where you could go either way. Personally, I'd clip another few before bulking again, just so I could ride the gain train a bit longer, but I'd say that's entirely up to you at this point in time.
Hell, for that matter, just ride a couple of months of recomp and see how you feel about it, come October.
Exactly what I was thinking.. grey area is a good way to describe it. Thank you!!!!!
I think I can do another 'smallish' cal cut. I really am having trouble with going lower, but I can do it it.
Was not not sure how lean I needed to go this time for another bulk. Unsure my BF% at this point, had a round about estimate when I started.0 -
Another cut and refeed done, as of this past Monday morning. Started at 176, and now at 162. Lyle created a monster with the RFL protocol, and it's definitely serving me well.
Almost a week through reversing kcals upward now. Back to 2400/day, and about to go hit my last day of 1RM testing (deadlifts and strict curl) for my next training block.
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Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did
. I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!! 0 -
Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Oh wow... Yea I am still cutting for another bulk in the fall. But see that makes sense if you bulk for 3 months, I typically spend half the amount of time I spent bulking (8 months) cutting.
How much do you gain on your bulks usually?0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
RFL for Cat1s, which is what many people refer to as PSMF.
Essentially, I go to 2g protein per pound of bodyweight, 2.7g EPA and 1g DHA from fish oil, and only trace carbs and fats otherwise. Comes out to roughly ~1200 kcals/day. I run this for 12 days of eating pretty much nothing but chicken breast with no rib meat (0.5g fat per 23g pro, roughly) and tuna canned in water.
After those 12 days, I run a two day carb refeed. Day one is roughly 5g carbs per lbs. LBM, and day two is half of that. Protein and fat intake stay pretty much the same, or as close as possible. I accomplish this by doing the entire refeed with potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, peas, and the occasional bit of nearly 0 fat breakfast cereals. Since this also avoids the pitfall of all of the damned sodium in most processed carbs, all of my regained weight ends up being from stored glycogen and not electrolyte water retention.
My theory about all of these guys who "spill over" when carb loading, is that they are actually screwing themselves with sodium from all of the damned pasta and bread that they usually use. DNL takes days of carbohydrate overfeeding to really become a problem, when your body is in the kind of state of glycogen depletion that such diets cause.
Here's me the morning after my last RFL day, before starting my refeed, at 162.9 lbs.:
The photo in my previous post is after two days of carb load (~1150g), at 164.2. Note: no massive amounts of water retention in the abdominal area. Yeah, "clean" refeeds do work better, assuming that you don't like the marshmallow look that many get from it.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Oh wow... Yea I am still cutting for another bulk in the fall. But see that makes sense if you bulk for 3 months, I typically spend half the amount of time I spent bulking (8 months) cutting.
How much do you gain on your bulks usually?
This past bulk, I only put on 7 lbs., from 169 to 176. I then cut back to where I am now (162). However, this is only because I want my first PL meet in December to be in the 165 class.
After that, if my math is on point (and it usually is), I should be able to lean bulk until October of 2018 before needing to cut again, as I'll be moving up to the 181s. I'm 5'10", so forcing myself to stay in the 165s would be a very bad idea, in the long term.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
At long last!
I've been doing the origninal variation that Lyle derived UD2.0 from, BodyOpus. I think the calorie intake would scare most people and for those without a very solid grasp on training and nutrition I would not recommend it.
In 6 weeks I went from a bloated 232 to depleted 212lbs.3 -
trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
At long last!
I've been doing the origninal variation that Lyle derived UD2.0 from, BodyOpus. I think the calorie intake would scare most people and for those without a very solid grasp on training and nutrition I would not recommend it.
In 6 weeks I went from a bloated 232 to depleted 212lbs.
Yea. Sometimes it takes a good amount of discussion and research so I can make an informed recommendation. And since I am in this area a lot, they are comfortable with these types of discussion. So just like challenges have modified rules, this section has one modified rule.1 -
@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?0 -
^ BTW, those are awesome results for the both of you.
Interestingly enough, I officially gave up calorie counting. I tried a new round and it's just too mentally exhausting. Right now I am working on food manipulation and training hard as kitten to see how I respond; ironically, I am down 2 lbs. Largely, I focus more on whole foods and limit treats.1 -
piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.1 -
^ BTW, those are awesome results for the both of you.
Interestingly enough, I officially gave up calorie counting. I tried a new round and it's just too mentally exhausting. Right now I am working on food manipulation and training hard as kitten to see how I respond; ironically, I am down 2 lbs. Largely, I focus more on whole foods and limit treats.
I focus on whole foods and track, even when bulking. I'm just too data obsessed to not track everything (I have a weird hyperfocused form if ADHD), and I've noticed that my bulks go better, I perform better, and feel better when it's mostly a whole food diet.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
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piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.
I was more curious than anything else. Probably not a protocol I'd run but it is interesting reading about difference strategies.
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piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.
I was more curious than anything else. Probably not a protocol I'd run but it is interesting reading about difference strategies.
Understandable. It's definitely not something that's for everyone (or even many), but I wanted to throw that out there. For anyone who does consider it, my default advice is always "read the book twice before committing yourself to it". It's definitely easy to screw yourself and end up feeling like *kitten* if you screw it up.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.
I was more curious than anything else. Probably not a protocol I'd run but it is interesting reading about difference strategies.
Understandable. It's definitely not something that's for everyone (or even many), but I wanted to throw that out there. For anyone who does consider it, my default advice is always "read the book twice before committing yourself to it". It's definitely easy to screw yourself and end up feeling like *kitten* if you screw it up.
I can see that. I think I had to read Wendler's 531 book (the first, don't have Beyond), 2-3 times before it made sense.
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piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.
I was more curious than anything else. Probably not a protocol I'd run but it is interesting reading about difference strategies.
Understandable. It's definitely not something that's for everyone (or even many), but I wanted to throw that out there. For anyone who does consider it, my default advice is always "read the book twice before committing yourself to it". It's definitely easy to screw yourself and end up feeling like *kitten* if you screw it up.
I can see that. I think I had to read Wendler's 531 book (the first, don't have Beyond), 2-3 times before it made sense.
His newest book 5/3/1 Forever includes everything from both of those, plus a buttload of updates and new templates that he's been running on the guys that he trains. No fluff, no pictures, all information and programs. He's definitely stepped his game up.
I'm actually going to be running his Coffinworm template starting this Sunday, as I ease back into maintenance and a very modest surplus over the next bit.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »^ BTW, those are awesome results for the both of you.
Interestingly enough, I officially gave up calorie counting. I tried a new round and it's just too mentally exhausting. Right now I am working on food manipulation and training hard as kitten to see how I respond; ironically, I am down 2 lbs. Largely, I focus more on whole foods and limit treats.
I focus on whole foods and track, even when bulking. I'm just too data obsessed to not track everything (I have a weird hyperfocused form if ADHD), and I've noticed that my bulks go better, I perform better, and feel better when it's mostly a whole food diet.
Ironically, i am very data driven. I love creating excel templates and all that fun jazz, but after 7 years, i just cant do calorie counting any more. I actually find myself eating even if i am not hungry because i have calories.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »^ BTW, those are awesome results for the both of you.
Interestingly enough, I officially gave up calorie counting. I tried a new round and it's just too mentally exhausting. Right now I am working on food manipulation and training hard as kitten to see how I respond; ironically, I am down 2 lbs. Largely, I focus more on whole foods and limit treats.
I focus on whole foods and track, even when bulking. I'm just too data obsessed to not track everything (I have a weird hyperfocused form if ADHD), and I've noticed that my bulks go better, I perform better, and feel better when it's mostly a whole food diet.
Ironically, i am very data driven. I love creating excel templates and all that fun jazz, but after 7 years, i just cant do calorie counting any more. I actually find myself eating even if i am not hungry because i have calories.
As do I, but since my body has finally gotten its hunger signaling in order for the first time in my life (being obese by age ten kinda screwed it up a bit), if I didn't, I'd not gain a damned thing. Great for most people. Not so good for an aspiring powerlifter who weighs 163 at 5'10".0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.
I was more curious than anything else. Probably not a protocol I'd run but it is interesting reading about difference strategies.
Understandable. It's definitely not something that's for everyone (or even many), but I wanted to throw that out there. For anyone who does consider it, my default advice is always "read the book twice before committing yourself to it". It's definitely easy to screw yourself and end up feeling like *kitten* if you screw it up.
I can see that. I think I had to read Wendler's 531 book (the first, don't have Beyond), 2-3 times before it made sense.
His newest book 5/3/1 Forever includes everything from both of those, plus a buttload of updates and new templates that he's been running on the guys that he trains. No fluff, no pictures, all information and programs. He's definitely stepped his game up.
I'm actually going to be running his Coffinworm template starting this Sunday, as I ease back into maintenance and a very modest surplus over the next bit.
Hmmm, I didn't know he had a new book. Tells how much I've been paying attention..lol
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piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »@Gallowmere1984
Is that 2gr per lb of the top bulk weight, 2gr per lb goal weight or 2gr per lb LBM?
LBM. Everything about all of Lyle's diets is based on LBM. Essentially, we don't bother with counting fat, because ideally, we want it gone. Well, as much as is reasonably possible, without wrecking hormones anyway.
Thanks.
Keep in mind though, my numbers are for Cat 1 dieters (people at or below 15% bf when starting the cut). The numbers are all lower and the protocol changes for higher bodyfat levels.
I was more curious than anything else. Probably not a protocol I'd run but it is interesting reading about difference strategies.
Understandable. It's definitely not something that's for everyone (or even many), but I wanted to throw that out there. For anyone who does consider it, my default advice is always "read the book twice before committing yourself to it". It's definitely easy to screw yourself and end up feeling like *kitten* if you screw it up.
I can see that. I think I had to read Wendler's 531 book (the first, don't have Beyond), 2-3 times before it made sense.
His newest book 5/3/1 Forever includes everything from both of those, plus a buttload of updates and new templates that he's been running on the guys that he trains. No fluff, no pictures, all information and programs. He's definitely stepped his game up.
I'm actually going to be running his Coffinworm template starting this Sunday, as I ease back into maintenance and a very modest surplus over the next bit.
Hmmm, I didn't know he had a new book. Tells how much I've been paying attention..lol
It just came out a few months ago. I preordered it, but I am pretty sure it's still only available as hard copy. He said when it was released that it would be several months before he even cared to start working on the ebook format.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
Something else I just remembered: did you ever get a verdict on discussion involving EC? Kinda feel like I'm only being half honest if I leave out the supplemental side of the protocol.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
Something else I just remembered: did you ever get a verdict on discussion involving EC? Kinda feel like I'm only being half honest if I leave out the supplemental side of the protocol.
It should be treated the same as the Lyle's programs. So keep the discussion within the bodybuilding section and no recommendations.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
Something else I just remembered: did you ever get a verdict on discussion involving EC? Kinda feel like I'm only being half honest if I leave out the supplemental side of the protocol.
It should be treated the same as the Lyle's programs. So keep the discussion within the bodybuilding section and no recommendations.
Fantastic, thanks.
So, to add to my previous diet protocol posts, I run an EC stack of 25mg eph/200mg caffeine 4x/day. The ephedrine is HCL from Primatene or sulphate from Bronkaid, depending upon which is in stock.
In order to keep the hangry monsters at bay, I space everything out in two hour intervals. So essentially, EC upon waking, ~65g protein from chicken boob or tuna two hours later, rotating in this fashion until my last EC dose four hours before bed (avoids sleep screwiness), then protein two hours before bed.
Also included are a full multivitamin, an extra 600mg calcium, 500mg magnesium, 50mg zinc, and 5000/7500mg sodium/potassium from lite salt.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
Something else I just remembered: did you ever get a verdict on discussion involving EC? Kinda feel like I'm only being half honest if I leave out the supplemental side of the protocol.
It should be treated the same as the Lyle's programs. So keep the discussion within the bodybuilding section and no recommendations.
Fantastic, thanks.
So, to add to my previous diet protocol posts, I run an EC stack of 25mg eph/200mg caffeine 4x/day. The ephedrine is HCL from Primatene or sulphate from Bronkaid, depending upon which is in stock.
In order to keep the hangry monsters at bay, I space everything out in two hour intervals. So essentially, EC upon waking, ~65g protein from chicken boob or tuna two hours later, rotating in this fashion until my last EC dose four hours before bed (avoids sleep screwiness), then protein two hours before bed.
Also included are a full multivitamin, an extra 600mg calcium, 500mg magnesium, 50mg zinc, and 5000/7500mg sodium/potassium from lite salt.
Disclaimer I am not advocating or recommending this at all. There are serious risks involved and you should speak with a MD before running out and trying this protocol. For some people it can be deadly.
That being said, I run an ECA stack myself during a cut. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
I DID clear it with one of my MD's. While they were not familiar with the why, they understood the drugs because this is very similar to old school asthma meds, the kind I took when younger. They agreed to look into it for me (couple years ago) and got back with me after a few weeks. While the Dr was not advocating it, they did ask me to following the ramp up procedure to assess my tolerance, and if I could tolerate it to take it slow. Guess the old body recognized the similarity to other asthma meds I used to take and I didn't have any issues. It does raise my blood pressure a few points, from normally 118/72 to around 124/76. BP drops back down within 8hrs of the last dose.
Mine is 3x/day, 4 hours apart, 6am first, 10am second, last dose at 2pm. Only 2 baby aspirin per dose.
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piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
Something else I just remembered: did you ever get a verdict on discussion involving EC? Kinda feel like I'm only being half honest if I leave out the supplemental side of the protocol.
It should be treated the same as the Lyle's programs. So keep the discussion within the bodybuilding section and no recommendations.
Fantastic, thanks.
So, to add to my previous diet protocol posts, I run an EC stack of 25mg eph/200mg caffeine 4x/day. The ephedrine is HCL from Primatene or sulphate from Bronkaid, depending upon which is in stock.
In order to keep the hangry monsters at bay, I space everything out in two hour intervals. So essentially, EC upon waking, ~65g protein from chicken boob or tuna two hours later, rotating in this fashion until my last EC dose four hours before bed (avoids sleep screwiness), then protein two hours before bed.
Also included are a full multivitamin, an extra 600mg calcium, 500mg magnesium, 50mg zinc, and 5000/7500mg sodium/potassium from lite salt.
Disclaimer I am not advocating or recommending this at all. There are serious risks involved and you should speak with a MD before running out and trying this protocol. For some people it can be deadly.
That being said, I run an ECA stack myself during a cut. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
I DID clear it with one of my MD's. While they were not familiar with the why, they understood the drugs because this is very similar to old school asthma meds, the kind I took when younger. They agreed to look into it for me (couple years ago) and got back with me after a few weeks. While the Dr was not advocating it, they did ask me to following the ramp up procedure to assess my tolerance, and if I could tolerate it to take it slow. Guess the old body recognized the similarity to other asthma meds I used to take and I didn't have any issues. It does raise my blood pressure a few points, from normally 118/72 to around 124/76. BP drops back down within 8hrs of the last dose.
Mine is 3x/day, 4 hours apart, 6am first, 10am second, last dose at 2pm. Only 2 baby aspirin per dose.
Up to you, but literally everything that I have seen shows that the aspirin does precisely nothing for anyone but the morbidly obese. Well, I guess it does add extra liver work, but I never really saw the benefit in that.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Looking great @Gallowmere1984
Wow it took me over 12 weeks to lose half of what you did . I am really dragging this cut out. I only have a few lbs left to go (I hope), and although I am only 5lbs up from my bulk start weight, the difference in my body (especially the booty) is absolutely amazing. Yay for bulking!!
That's not that bad of a duration, I just prefer going all in on anything. As Lemon has noted, I have an absolutely insane approach to cutting. I've already been through a cut, another bulk, and another cut cycle while most people who hit around the same time are still cutting the first round. Been around 5 months iirc, of which, I spent three months bulking, one month cutting and one month maintenance chasing.
Do you follow the PSMF, UD 2.0 or another protocol?
BTW, i was given permission to be able to discuss these in this section only, but we aren't recommend it. Only discuss what we do. So progress, lol.
Something else I just remembered: did you ever get a verdict on discussion involving EC? Kinda feel like I'm only being half honest if I leave out the supplemental side of the protocol.
It should be treated the same as the Lyle's programs. So keep the discussion within the bodybuilding section and no recommendations.
Fantastic, thanks.
So, to add to my previous diet protocol posts, I run an EC stack of 25mg eph/200mg caffeine 4x/day. The ephedrine is HCL from Primatene or sulphate from Bronkaid, depending upon which is in stock.
In order to keep the hangry monsters at bay, I space everything out in two hour intervals. So essentially, EC upon waking, ~65g protein from chicken boob or tuna two hours later, rotating in this fashion until my last EC dose four hours before bed (avoids sleep screwiness), then protein two hours before bed.
Also included are a full multivitamin, an extra 600mg calcium, 500mg magnesium, 50mg zinc, and 5000/7500mg sodium/potassium from lite salt.
Disclaimer I am not advocating or recommending this at all. There are serious risks involved and you should speak with a MD before running out and trying this protocol. For some people it can be deadly.
That being said, I run an ECA stack myself during a cut. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
I DID clear it with one of my MD's. While they were not familiar with the why, they understood the drugs because this is very similar to old school asthma meds, the kind I took when younger. They agreed to look into it for me (couple years ago) and got back with me after a few weeks. While the Dr was not advocating it, they did ask me to following the ramp up procedure to assess my tolerance, and if I could tolerate it to take it slow. Guess the old body recognized the similarity to other asthma meds I used to take and I didn't have any issues. It does raise my blood pressure a few points, from normally 118/72 to around 124/76. BP drops back down within 8hrs of the last dose.
Mine is 3x/day, 4 hours apart, 6am first, 10am second, last dose at 2pm. Only 2 baby aspirin per dose.
Up to you, but literally everything that I have seen shows that the aspirin does precisely nothing for anyone but the morbidly obese. Well, I guess it does add extra liver work, but I never really saw the benefit in that.
Haven't looked at any studies for a while. I do recall the ones I read as "the jury is undecided". Guess I'll have to look again.
Year round I take 1 baby aspirin per a different Drs recommendation.
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