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During the first phases of weight loss (I am in the 4th month and reduced 16 Kgs/ 35 pounds), there are difinitively things I recommend to forget:
- Sugar of any kind (even brown or honey): they add calories we don't need, I only use sweeteners 0 cals.
- Sodas of any kind and even boxed juices. They are like water with sugar (see previous). From time to time (max 2 per week) some 0 cals soda
- Any cakes or industrial bakery: glucose shots that will unbalance you on spot.
- Pizza
Besides above, I won't eliminate anything else.0 -
During the first phases of weight loss (I am in the 4th month and reduced 16 Kgs/ 35 pounds), there are difinitively things I recommend to forget:
- Sugar of any kind (even brown or honey): they add calories we don't need, I only use sweeteners 0 cals.
- Sodas of any kind and even boxed juices. They are like water with sugar (see previous). From time to time (max 2 per week) some 0 cals soda
- Any cakes or industrial bakery: glucose shots that will unbalance you on spot.
- Pizza
Besides above, I won't eliminate anything else.
I lost that same amount of weight and never gave any of those things up. Well other than sugary soda, I wasn't drinking those to begin with.
I'm always perplexed why pizza gets such a bad rap. Depending on the toppings, it can be a macro balanced meal, especially if one eats salad with a couple of slices. Really not hard to work that in on a regular basis if it's something you enjoy.17 -
WinoGelato wrote: »During the first phases of weight loss (I am in the 4th month and reduced 16 Kgs/ 35 pounds), there are difinitively things I recommend to forget:
- Sugar of any kind (even brown or honey): they add calories we don't need, I only use sweeteners 0 cals.
- Sodas of any kind and even boxed juices. They are like water with sugar (see previous). From time to time (max 2 per week) some 0 cals soda
- Any cakes or industrial bakery: glucose shots that will unbalance you on spot.
- Pizza
Besides above, I won't eliminate anything else.
I lost that same amount of weight and never gave any of those things up. Well other than sugary soda, I wasn't drinking those to begin with.
I'm always perplexed why pizza gets such a bad rap. Depending on the toppings, it can be a macro balanced meal, especially if one eats salad with a couple of slices. Really not hard to work that in on a regular basis if it's something you enjoy.
Again, as we already covered, everyone is different.1 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Why? So many "healthy" foods are processed, including the jasmine rice you mentioned.Your diet should consist of unprocessed foods.
Why?Bread, baked goods, pasta, cereal, regular soda, liquor, and desserts must be cut out entirely until get a grasp on how to incorporate cheat meals and days into your plan without reverting back to old habits.
I incorporate these every day and and have lost a significant amount of weight. If you stick around for a while, you'll notice the majority of mfp-ers eat a balanced diet with their favorite foods in moderation. A healthy attitude towards food in general is a healthy approach to weight loss. Cutting out foods can actually cause some to develop orthorexia.
I hate cheat meals and cheat days. I can easily undo my weekly deficit with those. I'd rather incorporate my favorites daily and NOT go over my calorie goal. I only have 4-5 IDGAF days a year where I won't count calories.
Weight loss is ALL about calories, more specifically, having the right energy (CICO) balance, and nothing about the type of food you eat. Moderating all foods that one enjoys is a perfectly valid way to lose weight.
The recommendation of cutting out foods and food groups to someone who is already stressed about weight loss in general is a sure way to stress someone out further. Weight loss is stressful enough already without having to throw rules and guidelines at it.
because everyone knows that processed foods contain magical properties that make you gain weight, even if you are in calorie deficit.
Not everyone apparently but some people know that overly processed foods have most of whatever nutritional value they once had destroyed during the processing and that it will be for difficult to feel full for long after eating, increasing your chances of craving even more. For some people these foods trigger some people's brains to eat even more, much like an alcoholic can't stop at one or two drinks.
If you can handle eating highly processed foods, fine. Great! Good for you! Realize not everyone is the same and some people actually do need to avoid these things if they want to reach their goals. And it's not a big deal to do it.
how are you defining processed and highly processed?
If I have canned vegetables is that bad because processed or good because vegetables?
I said "highly processed" in order to avoid this inevitable question. I wouldn't consider canned vegetables "highly processed" but I would also say fresh is better. Call it my opinion.
ok, how are you defining "highly processed"...
how exactly is a fresh green bean better than a canned green bean?
LOL! Do your own research. I'm not arguing today.
you are the one making the argument, not me. I will put that down as "don't know"...3 -
During the first phases of weight loss (I am in the 4th month and reduced 16 Kgs/ 35 pounds), there are difinitively things I recommend to forget:
- Sugar of any kind (even brown or honey): they add calories we don't need, I only use sweeteners 0 cals.
- Sodas of any kind and even boxed juices. They are like water with sugar (see previous). From time to time (max 2 per week) some 0 cals soda
- Any cakes or industrial bakery: glucose shots that will unbalance you on spot.
- Pizza
Besides above, I won't eliminate anything else.
yea, I ate all those things, lost 50 pounds, and got to sub 15% body fat....I must be a freak of nature...13 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Why? So many "healthy" foods are processed, including the jasmine rice you mentioned.Your diet should consist of unprocessed foods.
Why?Bread, baked goods, pasta, cereal, regular soda, liquor, and desserts must be cut out entirely until get a grasp on how to incorporate cheat meals and days into your plan without reverting back to old habits.
I incorporate these every day and and have lost a significant amount of weight. If you stick around for a while, you'll notice the majority of mfp-ers eat a balanced diet with their favorite foods in moderation. A healthy attitude towards food in general is a healthy approach to weight loss. Cutting out foods can actually cause some to develop orthorexia.
I hate cheat meals and cheat days. I can easily undo my weekly deficit with those. I'd rather incorporate my favorites daily and NOT go over my calorie goal. I only have 4-5 IDGAF days a year where I won't count calories.
Weight loss is ALL about calories, more specifically, having the right energy (CICO) balance, and nothing about the type of food you eat. Moderating all foods that one enjoys is a perfectly valid way to lose weight.
The recommendation of cutting out foods and food groups to someone who is already stressed about weight loss in general is a sure way to stress someone out further. Weight loss is stressful enough already without having to throw rules and guidelines at it.
because everyone knows that processed foods contain magical properties that make you gain weight, even if you are in calorie deficit.
Not everyone apparently but some people know that overly processed foods have most of whatever nutritional value they once had destroyed during the processing and that it will be for difficult to feel full for long after eating, increasing your chances of craving even more. For some people these foods trigger some people's brains to eat even more, much like an alcoholic can't stop at one or two drinks.
If you can handle eating highly processed foods, fine. Great! Good for you! Realize not everyone is the same and some people actually do need to avoid these things if they want to reach their goals. And it's not a big deal to do it.
how are you defining processed and highly processed?
If I have canned vegetables is that bad because processed or good because vegetables?
I said "highly processed" in order to avoid this inevitable question. I wouldn't consider canned vegetables "highly processed" but I would also say fresh is better. Call it my opinion.
ok, how are you defining "highly processed"...
how exactly is a fresh green bean better than a canned green bean?
LOL! Do your own research. I'm not arguing today.
you are the one making the argument, not me. I will put that down as "don't know"...
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During the first phases of weight loss (I am in the 4th month and reduced 16 Kgs/ 35 pounds), there are difinitively things I recommend to forget:
- Sugar of any kind (even brown or honey): they add calories we don't need, I only use sweeteners 0 cals.
- Sodas of any kind and even boxed juices. They are like water with sugar (see previous). From time to time (max 2 per week) some 0 cals soda
- Any cakes or industrial bakery: glucose shots that will unbalance you on spot.
- Pizza
Besides above, I won't eliminate anything else.
yea, I ate all those things, lost 50 pounds, and got to sub 15% body fat....I must be a freak of nature...
Not at all! It's just that your way isn't THE ONLY WAY! Your way worked for you and it would work for many others. But it might not work for someone else. So you don't need to blast anyone else's opinions in order to validate your own.6 -
Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
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you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes... 4 -
Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I didn't have a particularly healthy relationship with food when I adopted the approach of moderation. The idea that I could eat pizza or cake sometimes and that it wasn't a "bad" food or an indicator that I lacked self-control or that I would never be thin was part of what helped me develop the relationship I have with food today, where I can say "no" to cake or have a slice or two of pizza.
I've hidden food, eaten in secret, lied about it, tried multiple crash diets, passed out from lack of calories. Not saying everyone in this conversation has my history, but the idea that everyone who says "Hey, you don't have to quit eating pizza to lose weight" has a 100% rosy history with food and has always been at their ideal weight just isn't accurate.11 -
Eat EVERYTHING you love, as long as there is calorie deficit you will lose. Simple.4
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janejellyroll wrote: »Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I didn't have a particularly healthy relationship with food when I adopted the approach of moderation. The idea that I could eat pizza or cake sometimes and that it wasn't a "bad" food or an indicator that I lacked self-control or that I would never be thin was part of what helped me develop the relationship I have with food today, where I can say "no" to cake or have a slice or two of pizza.
I've hidden food, eaten in secret, lied about it, tried multiple crash diets, passed out from lack of calories. Not saying everyone in this conversation has my history, but the idea that everyone who says "Hey, you don't have to quit eating pizza to lose weight" has a 100% rosy history with food and has always been at their ideal weight just isn't accurate.
I'm not sure how that came across from my post, but painting that picture wasn't my intention at all. I'm still (1 year in) developing that relationship as well. What I wanted to highlight was that some folks may take that statement as an endorsement to not be quite as guarded as they would otherwise in their food choices and portions. I hope that clears what I meant up some.4 -
Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
Great post!
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I don't eat bell peppers. That's about it.1
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janejellyroll wrote: »Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I didn't have a particularly healthy relationship with food when I adopted the approach of moderation. The idea that I could eat pizza or cake sometimes and that it wasn't a "bad" food or an indicator that I lacked self-control or that I would never be thin was part of what helped me develop the relationship I have with food today, where I can say "no" to cake or have a slice or two of pizza.
I've hidden food, eaten in secret, lied about it, tried multiple crash diets, passed out from lack of calories. Not saying everyone in this conversation has my history, but the idea that everyone who says "Hey, you don't have to quit eating pizza to lose weight" has a 100% rosy history with food and has always been at their ideal weight just isn't accurate.
I'm not sure how that came across from my post, but painting that picture wasn't my intention at all. I'm still (1 year in) developing that relationship as well. What I wanted to highlight was that some folks may take that statement as an endorsement to not be quite as guarded as they would otherwise in their food choices and portions. I hope that clears what I meant up some.
Thank you for clarifying. I was responding to this sentence in particular: "With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do."
When I suggest to someone that they don't necessarily have to give up pizza or wine or cake to lose weight, that specifically isn't coming from my current (pretty rosy) relationship with food. It's coming from my knowledge that, for me personally, knowing that I didn't have to give up certain foods helped me go from that not-rosy place to where I am now. I'm not just taking it into account that the person I'm talking to may not have a great relationship with food, I'm actually suggesting what worked well for me and others.
That isn't to say it will work for everyone and I know there are people who do much better when they do eliminate certain foods from their lives. But honestly, most of us who have struggled with food have already *tried* elimination at various points, so if someone hasn't yet tried to get away from the whole good food/bad food concept, it may be worth a try.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I didn't have a particularly healthy relationship with food when I adopted the approach of moderation. The idea that I could eat pizza or cake sometimes and that it wasn't a "bad" food or an indicator that I lacked self-control or that I would never be thin was part of what helped me develop the relationship I have with food today, where I can say "no" to cake or have a slice or two of pizza.
I've hidden food, eaten in secret, lied about it, tried multiple crash diets, passed out from lack of calories. Not saying everyone in this conversation has my history, but the idea that everyone who says "Hey, you don't have to quit eating pizza to lose weight" has a 100% rosy history with food and has always been at their ideal weight just isn't accurate.
I'm not sure how that came across from my post, but painting that picture wasn't my intention at all. I'm still (1 year in) developing that relationship as well. What I wanted to highlight was that some folks may take that statement as an endorsement to not be quite as guarded as they would otherwise in their food choices and portions. I hope that clears what I meant up some.
It took me two years to develop self-control around ice cream. It was a long process. In some ways, I think that making it sound easy can also lead to trivializing how much effort is required to develop that control. I still have off days, but for the most part, I do much better.
At the same time, I think it's important for people to know that it can be done. For me, being too restrictive lead to failure every time. Followed by feeling horrible about myself (yes, this also required a lot of work). Digging in to make the changes felt daunting, but giving myself permission to accept that there would be days where my choices may contradict my goals was a freedom I never had before. It loosened the all-or-nothing mentality and has marked a considerable change in my approach.8 -
Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I can't have Oatmeal Creme Pies in the house because I cannot moderate them. I find I don't like them much anymore, anyway, but I had to cut them out rather than moderate them. But I'm not going to tell the OP that they have to cut out Oatmeal Creme Pies too, because I don't know there food history. Trigger foods are far too individual to ever provide a list of what to cut out from a diet. A list like that would probably end up cutting everything out.
I don't know which of us longtime MFPers you're referring to here, but I see a lot of people (my own advice included) adressing more than just "eat anything." It's a hard balance to strike. When I came here, I was spiraling into something like orthorexia. I was told I "didn't deserve" fast food, that packaged oatmeal wasn't good enough even if it fit into my goals. I broke down into tears at a restaurant that was out of quinoa burgers. And I will fight to keep others away from that spiral if I can. When I came here and wandered into the forums, I found the "eat things you want that fit your goals" message amazingly empowering.
It's hard to give advice around here because it's never going to be perfect for everyone. The same message is too hard for some and too soft for others. One person's light emoji is another's passive-aggressive smilie. Eat what you like is empowering for some and confusing to others. It's why I'm glad we have such a range of posters here. I hope the OP can take what they find useful and leave the rest for others.18 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I didn't have a particularly healthy relationship with food when I adopted the approach of moderation. The idea that I could eat pizza or cake sometimes and that it wasn't a "bad" food or an indicator that I lacked self-control or that I would never be thin was part of what helped me develop the relationship I have with food today, where I can say "no" to cake or have a slice or two of pizza.
I've hidden food, eaten in secret, lied about it, tried multiple crash diets, passed out from lack of calories. Not saying everyone in this conversation has my history, but the idea that everyone who says "Hey, you don't have to quit eating pizza to lose weight" has a 100% rosy history with food and has always been at their ideal weight just isn't accurate.
I respect what your saying, but you can't lump us all into one group. I'm a long time MFP'r and a successful weight loss person, but..... I still struggle with having a healthy relationship with food.
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janejellyroll wrote: »Speaking for myself, I can and do eat a huge variety of foods, but I'm also of the mind that I need to change that. While I like the "can eat anything" mindset and the healthy relationship with food that it implies, I also need to temper that with "Should I eat anything?" at times.
Pizza? I'll eat it - ALL
Annisette toast? The whole package goes, along with a quart of milk.
Pancakes? Heh...
With due respect some of you long time mfpers aren't taking into account the fact that some of your audience will not have the same healthy relationship with food that you do. And it might be easy to become a bit blase' about it because you may not see that person you're chatting with go into a tailspin over a bowl of ice cream.
I take full 100% responsibility for what I do, and what I put into my own body, but with that said, I also know certain items will be very difficult for me to eat in moderation, extremely difficult at times.
I you folks, seriously - just reading much of what's posted here has helped me change almost everything regarding my eating and physical fitness, but I do think simple things like that are tossed out a little too nonchalantly sometimes...
I didn't have a particularly healthy relationship with food when I adopted the approach of moderation. The idea that I could eat pizza or cake sometimes and that it wasn't a "bad" food or an indicator that I lacked self-control or that I would never be thin was part of what helped me develop the relationship I have with food today, where I can say "no" to cake or have a slice or two of pizza.
I've hidden food, eaten in secret, lied about it, tried multiple crash diets, passed out from lack of calories. Not saying everyone in this conversation has my history, but the idea that everyone who says "Hey, you don't have to quit eating pizza to lose weight" has a 100% rosy history with food and has always been at their ideal weight just isn't accurate.
I respect what your saying, but you can't lump us all into one group. I'm a long time MFP'r and a successful weight loss person, but..... I still struggle with having a healthy relationship with food.
I'm specifically trying *not* to lump everyone into one group and I'm sorry that what I wrote came across as if I was.3
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