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    • Posts: 30,886 Member
      WinoGelato wrote: »
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      Actually for the record I didn't bring up bananas and am not sure how any stance on bananas is being attributed to me. I can't stand bananas!

      The first mention I saw of bananas in this thread was the infographic someone else posted about the chemical makeup of a banana, and then in a response quoting me wanzik made a comment that calling a banana processed is silly, or something like that.

      Ah. You brought up the 5 foods people shouldn't eat and I associated that with the why you should not eat bananas thing. My apologies.

      Anyway, you didn't say bananas were processed! I'm still right about that. ;-)
    • Posts: 30,886 Member
      Christine_72 wrote: »
      I have a huge bag of salted cashews sitting in my cupboard that I'm too scared to open...

      'Cause processed?

      (Kidding, I expect it's because salted nuts are basically crack.* Or at least I also cannot stop eating them.)

      *Not serious.
    • Posts: 30,886 Member
      edited December 2016
      DebSozo wrote: »
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      Sorry but that's like "comparing apples and oranges". (Pun intended)

      It's really not. As I said earlier:

      "As others noted, the banana has been modified over time by humans, so the idea that humans changing stuff (the anti-processing argument) makes something bad would also apply to bananas.

      (And I'd also agree with various posters that doesn't make it processed as we normally use the term, but it does make it relevant to the assertion that processed=bad.)"

      Arguing about whether it technically counts as "processed" seems like a way to avoid addressing the broader point.

      (Also, lots of foods are indisputably processed, like the trout and spinach I had for dinner tonight, at a restaurant, and yet not reasonably "to be avoided" for that reason -- I certainly am not into raw and even the raw folks eat lots of processed stuff.)
    • Posts: 16,049 Member
      lemurcat12 wrote: »
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      'Cause processed?

      (Kidding, I expect it's because salted nuts are basically crack.* Or at least I also cannot stop eating them.)

      *Not serious.

      Oh lordy haha
      Once they're open, I'll eat a few here and a handful there . They're just not worth the calories for me. Plus i NEVER struggle to get enough calories and fat.

      They are a huge 1kg bag which i bought for our Christmas gathering, and we forgot open them! Now I'm stuck with them.

    • Posts: 16,049 Member
      edited December 2016
      I just had what i thought was a clever way to slowly get rid of them.. I was going to add 200g to my stir fry tonight, but that bumps up the dish by 1200 calories :cry: I'm just gonna throw them away!

      Absolutely petty and insignificant first world problems eh.. :blushing:
    • Posts: 2,081 Member
      lemurcat12 wrote: »
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      It was probably unclear -- I have a habit of appending extra stuff on a response that could easily be confusing.
      lemurcat12 wrote: »
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      It was probably unclear -- I have a habit of appending extra stuff on a response that could easily be confusing.

      :).
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      edited December 2016
      lemurcat12 wrote: »
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      It's really not. As I said earlier:

      "As others noted, the banana has been modified over time by humans, so the idea that humans changing stuff (the anti-processing argument) makes something bad would also apply to bananas.

      (And I'd also agree with various posters that doesn't make it processed as we normally use the term, but it does make it relevant to the assertion that processed=bad.)"

      Arguing about whether it technically counts as "processed" seems like a way to avoid addressing the broader point.

      (Also, lots of foods are indisputably processed, like the trout and spinach I had for dinner tonight, at a restaurant, and yet not reasonably "to be avoided" for that reason -- I certainly am not into raw and even the raw folks eat lots of processed stuff.)

      But I never said processing is bad. I said raw food by definition has not yet been processed. I'm referring to "processing" as in cooking, drying, refining, preserving, etc.
    • Posts: 2,492 Member
      edited December 2016
      There are raw cookies, raw flavored kale chips, raw bars to name a few raw foods available at the health food store.

      All made with raw foods but I would consider them processed.

      ETA - dehydrated food is consider acceptable in the raw food community which would be processed as well.
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      edited December 2016
      leanjogreen18 wrote: »
      There are raw cookies, raw flavored kale chips, raw bars to name a few raw foods available at the health food store.

      All made with raw foods but I would consider them processed.

      ETA - dehydrated food is consider acceptable in the raw food community which would be processed as well.

      I don't think technically that they are still in their raw form which IMO is fine.

      I cook many of my veggies and all of my meats. I don't want to get parasites or harmful bacteria. I think it is awesome that we can all choose what and how to process or not process our food.
    • Posts: 326 Member
      AnvilHead wrote: »
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      Trying to understand how preservatives "destroy nutritional value". Do they somehow alter the macro/micronutrient values in the food?

      Oh for.... Maybe my sentence structure was misleading but. ..ok, How about this:

      - added chemicals
      - added preservatives
      - overly processed destroying some/part of the nutritional value (too much heat for example)

      I'm summarizing. Bing it.
    • Posts: 326 Member
      Orphia wrote: »
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      You're on the right track, but IMHO it's a conspiracy theory to think that food companies are adding nasty chemicals and preservatives that are bad for us.

      The whole of society is pretty much based on feeding ourselves and keeping ourselves alive.

      Science, Medicine, Agriculture, Law & Justice, all of these systems are in place to protect us, not kill us off.

      "Chemicals" and "preservatives" are just used as buzzwords by the likes of Whole Foods and Food Babe to sell their stuff.

      In reality, they all come from the planet we live on. Salt, vinegar, oil - all these are chemicals and preservatives.

      Lot s of things come from thr earth that can harm us too. But I know what you are saying. My main argument is that I think we are better off using the least processed foods and processing them ourselves. I will never stand in the way of a consumer purchasing Hamburger Helper, orange juice and Twinkies. Have at it and enjoy.
    • Posts: 72 Member
      this discussion is getting BANANAS !!!!

      :):DB)

      PS: have a happy new year. And at least just for today, only count best wishes for next year.
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      edited December 2016
      "Yes. We have no bananas. We have no bananas today!"

      ETA video:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-hsJCt4Azu0

    • Posts: 863 Member
      This discussion is funny. In spite of everything I've learned and read about foods since deciding to get healthy, the only thing that has really changed is the quantity I eat any given day, not whether the food is processed or not, by any definition.

      And why the heck am I suddenly craving Twinkies at 9 in the bloody morning!?
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      edited December 2016
      Cylphin60 wrote: »
      This discussion is funny. In spite of everything I've learned and read about foods since deciding to get healthy, the only thing that has really changed is the quantity I eat any given day, not whether the food is processed or not, by any definition.

      And why the heck am I suddenly craving Twinkies at 9 in the bloody morning!?

      Twinkies and OJ? What about bananas? Lol
      :D
    • Posts: 520 Member
      I'm going to have processed bananas for breakfast this morning. I couldn't get to Southeast Asia in time for the fresh ones.
    • Posts: 1,394 Member
      nutmegoreo wrote: »
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      Yes, but you have to sneak up on them. Those wild sugar-free bananas are skittish and tend run and hide. If you spook one, they let off this high pitched squeal which will warn the others and you are destined to go without your banana that day.

      Now where do we stand on banana "ice cream?"

      Not run, but they do walk!

      https://youtu.be/eZabqakBJEM
    • Posts: 326 Member
      CiaIgle wrote: »
      this discussion is getting BANANAS !!!!

      :):DB)

      PS: have a happy new year. And at least just for today, only count best wishes for next year.

      Ha! I posted that yesterday. :-)

      Happy New Year everybody!
    • Posts: 29,136 Member
      wanzik wrote: »
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      There's more to dieting/building muscle/losing fat/getting lean than simple math. That's what you don't seem to get.

      Way to move the goal posts as we were only talking about weight loss..so here is a little refresher...

      Calorie deficit for straight weight loss; macro micro adherence + structured lifting program for body comp goals....
    • Posts: 8,911 Member
      ndj1979 wrote: »
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      Way to move the goal posts as we were only talking about weight loss..so here is a little refresher...

      Calorie deficit for straight weight loss; macro micro adherence + structured lifting program for body comp goals....

      Even getting lean and muscle building is still simple math. Lean mass in pounds * 0.8 = grams of protein for good muscle building/retention potential.
    • Posts: 2,578 Member
      edited December 2016
      flippy1234 wrote: »
      I just stopped drinking alcohol. We will see how long it lasts...
      Anyway, I want to get lean. I know WHAT to eat but not what NOT to eat.
      Any suggestions as to what NOT to eat so I can eliminate it from my diet and thoughts?
      Thanks!

      What NOT to eat are extra calories. So eat what you prefer for your calories. As others mentioned above, make sure you get enough protein.

      Figure out your TDEE based on activity level and subtract 250 calories a day for 1/2 pound loss a week or subtract 500 calories ftom TDEE to lose a pound a week and don't eat back calories.

      Or you can use MFP calculations which is NEAT and eat back exercise calories (most only eat back 1/2). But all of these are estimates and will need tweaking. Be patient and eat what is sustainable for you!
    • Posts: 326 Member
      stevencloser wrote: »
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      Even getting lean and muscle building is still simple math. Lean mass in pounds * 0.8 = grams of protein for good muscle building/retention potential.

      What I was getting at was the human factor. Read all the posts and think about what everyone is saying. I can say for me that some foods can trigger binge eating in moments of weakness. I know the math - that's the easy part. Everyone should learn the math and you've provided some good information. We need to understand the math but we also need a plan to execute and succeed. I've replaced some of my trigger foods with others that are a fraction of the calories and avoid other foods. I don't see what's so wrong about that. I like my plan and it works for me but I can't help but feel some people won't be happy until I go back to eating Krusteez pancakes smothered in maple syrup instead of my protein-packed whole grain Kodiak Cakes with berry syrup (delicious, by the way).

      Anyway, you and ndj1979 are correct and provide good information so I don't mean to be adversarial. Just pointing out my personal opinions and ideas that work for me that MAY help someone else.
    • Posts: 49,224 Member
      Don't eat spoiled or rotten food.

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    • Posts: 810 Member
      It's ok lol I had a McRib meal last night and didn't gain 5lbs but now I want vanilla ice cream.
      Cylphin60 wrote: »
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      damn, I did it again! :'(

      I'm screwed guys - I had vanilla ice cream last night. TWICE! :(

    • Posts: 4,372 Member
      rebeccaculp87 wrote: »
      It's ok lol I had a McRib meal last night and didn't gain 5lbs but now I want vanilla ice cream.
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      But could you have lost even more weight if you wouldn't have (assuming your trying to lose weight)?
    • Posts: 13,454 Member
      blambo61 wrote: »
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      But could you have lost even more weight if you wouldn't have (assuming your trying to lose weight)?

      Losing as much weight as fast as possible is rarely a healthy goal for body or mind.

      If that logic held true then everyone would be engaging in VLCD and not enjoying any treats in moderation. That's not physically or mentally healthy.
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