"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.
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leanjogreen18 wrote: »
I think most people have a basic understanding of nutrition. They may not like it but they know.
Sometimes I wonder. My husband, a Biology Professor, can draw the chemical structures of fats, carbs, and proteins - but he has no idea in which foods they are found.
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Op, I agree that it's garbage advice. I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap. If I eat a burger, I feel like crap. If I have a donut from DUCK's donuts with caramel and bacon on it (like who comes up with that but it is soooooo dang good) but again, I feel like crap. Whenever, I food prep my meals and snacks I feel good. I just don't do it all the time. However, I say at this point in my life, people should do what makes them happy. If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it. I'm not judging you or calling you out because on some days we might be eating the same fatty, greasy foods so, have at it. If your trying to lose weight just do yourself a favor and log in your crap so you stay on track.2
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Op, I agree that it's garbage advice. I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap. If I eat a burger, I feel like crap. If I have a donut from DUCK's donuts with caramel and bacon on it (like who comes up with that but it is soooooo dang good) but again, I feel like crap. Whenever, I food prep my meals and snacks I feel good. I just don't do it all the time. However, I say at this point in my life, people should do what makes them happy. If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it. I'm not judging you or calling you out because on some days we might be eating the same fatty, greasy foods so, have at it. If your trying to lose weight just do yourself a favor and log in your crap so you stay on track.
so, what you're saying is that you do not agree with op. you eat what you want, you lose weight, you just feel better when you eat "good" food.8 -
People don't want to eat 1 slice of pizza, or a 1/4 of a plate of Loco Rice, or 7 chili cheese fries. They want to have a meal. If you eat the "right amount" of junk food to stay within your calorie limits, you're going to be starving to death and it's going to cause you to eat more. Eating food that doesn't taste as good as what you want is much better than satisfying a craving and then derailing later because you were so hungry you caved. There are a few people around here who have done their time, lost their weight, and they are in good shape. These people give advice from the "look at me, I lost a ton of weight so I know what I'm doing" stand point, but seem to have forgotten what it was like to ACTUALLY live as a fat person. So when someone tells you you can have junk food, don't listen to them, not because they are lying to you - they aren't, it's true - but because the advice isn't helpful in practice.
LOL. I lost 21lbs in 6 weeks and total over 36lbs now and am steadily losing. I started 225 after an injury and now I'm in the 180s. I won over $200 in a dieting contest. I won step contests on Fitbit. I work hard and I have dedication. I eat whatever the heck I want and I'm not kidding. I take weeks off and eat all junk food and fast food then go right back to dieting and eating healthier. I don't log all my veggies all the time *LA GASP* and I don't punish myself for messing up. If I want to forgo eating until dinner and then eat a huge plate of cheese fries, which you are wrong I would DEFINITELY prefer to do rather than eating throughout the day, then I will do that because it is my life and life is too short. I'd rather have a short happy life than a long miserable life, thanks! Does my work for everyone? NO WAY. Some people need to build up self-control first - I did that already. Some people never will have that control. But really? Who are you to say it isn't helpful? It surely is helpful advice for me and has worked 100%.7 -
Op, I agree that it's garbage advice. I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap. If I eat a burger, I feel like crap. If I have a donut from DUCK's donuts with caramel and bacon on it (like who comes up with that but it is soooooo dang good) but again, I feel like crap. Whenever, I food prep my meals and snacks I feel good. I just don't do it all the time. However, I say at this point in my life, people should do what makes them happy. If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it. I'm not judging you or calling you out because on some days we might be eating the same fatty, greasy foods so, have at it. If your trying to lose weight just do yourself a favor and log in your crap so you stay on track.
So because YOU don't feel well eating certain foods, it is garbage advice to tell others they can eat what they want? Also, how are fat, greasy foods immediately linked to ailments? You seem very bitter towards the thought of people eating what they wish; I can only think it is because you feel like "crap" when you do.8 -
Op, I agree that it's garbage advice. I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap. If I eat a burger, I feel like crap. If I have a donut from DUCK's donuts with caramel and bacon on it (like who comes up with that but it is soooooo dang good) but again, I feel like crap. Whenever, I food prep my meals and snacks I feel good. I just don't do it all the time. However, I say at this point in my life, people should do what makes them happy. If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it. I'm not judging you or calling you out because on some days we might be eating the same fatty, greasy foods so, have at it. If your trying to lose weight just do yourself a favor and log in your crap so you stay on track.
I eat tons of pizza and burgers and feel just fine. Donuts do make me sleepy though, sugar crash zzzzzzz.....3 -
Op, I agree that it's garbage advice. I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap. If I eat a burger, I feel like crap. If I have a donut from DUCK's donuts with caramel and bacon on it (like who comes up with that but it is soooooo dang good) but again, I feel like crap. Whenever, I food prep my meals and snacks I feel good. I just don't do it all the time. However, I say at this point in my life, people should do what makes them happy. If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it. I'm not judging you or calling you out because on some days we might be eating the same fatty, greasy foods so, have at it. If your trying to lose weight just do yourself a favor and log in your crap so you stay on track.
If those foods make you feel physically ill, then I would label those not foods you WANT to eat. Unless you enjoy feeling physically ill. So I'm not sure how this disagrees with the premise of "eat whatever you want within a calorie deficit'.
Saying you aren't calling someone out or judging others, but labeling things as a "fat happy life with all types of ailments from eating fatty greasy foods" kind of sounds like judgement to me. Fortunately I'm not fat (anymore), I am happy (especially when I eat maple bacon donuts), and I have no ailments from those foods because the foods themselves don't cause ailments. Too many calories do... and since I do "log in my crap" I am on track, after losing the weight I set out to lose, and maintaining that weight loss for a couple of years now. Yeah me!
*Nutrition is important!14 -
I literally eat WHATEVER by the way as long as it's within my goal and sometimes when it's not. NOT good and bad all the time. Sometimes just "scary" "bad" foods. and guess what? I don't care! I'm here for superficial reasons - to feel better about how I look. You can be here for health or whatever you want! Health would be nice but honestly it's secondary. Appalled by that? Too bad for you because it's my choice. I eat 85% frozen food, fast food and boxed food if not more and I love it and lose weight easily. Also, my calorie goal is 1200 and I never feel starved. Again, I take days or even a week off sometimes when I'm overworked because that's practical and it has kept me successful. Does this mean I NEVER eat healthy? No as a matter of fact for a week or two when trying to win a contest I ate only veggies and cheese (no bready or pasta type carbs whatsoever and no meat because I'm a vegetarian) with everything fresh. It was HORRIBLE. I was miserable!!!! Also, I have also balanced my diet sometimes, but I just don't have time. So if I live on lean cuisines so be it - it is not a lie, it's just not how it works for you. That's fine. Do your thing, but stop saying I'm lying. I wouldn't state it if it wasn't the truth. Yesterday I had a falafel wrap, herb fries with ranch and hot sauce, birthday cake for breakfast, and I'm not sure if anything else? But it was all "junk" food. It was GREAT. Oh yeah and tortilla chips with ghost pepper cheese sauce! Also great! Need to add I do *sometimes* watch macros. But I dont usually have time to care how fresh my food is. Medifast foods help me get adequate protein.2
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
They are obligated to speak truth and stop insinuating WHATEVER...it doesn't have to be a list...
The MFP guidelines are the only obligation posters have
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
what is this truth you desire, my truth, your truth, his truth, her truth? This is no more clear than what the "whatever" people are saying12 -
Op, I agree that it's garbage advice. I just had pizza for the first time in a long time and I feel like crap. If I eat a burger, I feel like crap. If I have a donut from DUCK's donuts with caramel and bacon on it (like who comes up with that but it is soooooo dang good) but again, I feel like crap. Whenever, I food prep my meals and snacks I feel good. I just don't do it all the time. However, I say at this point in my life, people should do what makes them happy. If a fat happy life with all types of ailments from fatty, greasy foods is what you want, than go for it. I'm not judging you or calling you out because on some days we might be eating the same fatty, greasy foods so, have at it. If your trying to lose weight just do yourself a favor and log in your crap so you stay on track.
Why does your feeling like crap when you eat greasy foods make general advice to eat whatever you like garbage? If you don't want to eat greasy food then the advice would not be telling you to eat it, right? You should eat what you want, not what you don't want.
You might also mention feeling like crap when you eat greasy food to your doctor. That can be a sign of gall bladder problems.11 -
Verity1111 wrote: »Yesterday I had a falafel wrap, herb fries with ranch and hot sauce, birthday cake for breakfast, and I'm not sure if anything else? But it was all "junk" food. It was GREAT. quote]
sounds awesome!!! i may have to go out and get myself a falafel wrap for lunch tomorrow.1 -
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so, what you're saying is that you do not agree with op. you eat what you want, you lose weight, you just feel better when you eat "good" food. [/quote
OP" I agree with you". That is exactly what I said. I think the advice is garbage as well, but, I understand that some people actually most people are here to lose weight. It's not they want to be clean eaters, they use MFP to lose weight as a guide and nothing more. Nothing more and nothing less and there is nothing wrong with that.
However, if you want to be healthy overall and that is important to you than clean eating would be a better way to go. It's not that hard but if that is what your mind is conditioned to it may be hard for you.
I like a little junk food sometimes. However, I don't generally eat that way. SO, I'll say it again. I feel bad when I eat it.0 -
i stand by my statement. what you said dos not agree with op4
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cwolfman13 wrote: »
Why does everyone need a nanny? Why can't people just use common sense and logic? None of this is particularly hard. Basic nutrition is pretty straight forward and common sense IMO.
^This - well said! It's also called, "self-control". I understand some people might have issues beyond that, my comment doesn't apply to you. It applies to people who want excuses to fail so they can continue their current behaviors. Because, Hey - restricting your food intake, is challenging and can be uncomfortable.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
If those foods make you feel physically ill, then I would label those not foods you WANT to eat. Unless you enjoy feeling physically ill. So I'm not sure how this disagrees with the premise of "eat whatever you want within a calorie deficit'.
Saying you aren't calling someone out or judging others, but labeling things as a "fat happy life with all types of ailments from eating fatty greasy foods" kind of sounds like judgement to me. Fortunately I'm not fat (anymore), I am happy (especially when I eat maple bacon donuts), and I have no ailments from those foods because the foods themselves don't cause ailments. Too many calories do... and since I do "log in my crap" I am on track, after losing the weight I set out to lose, and maintaining that weight loss for a couple of years now. Yeah me!
*Nutrition is important!
"I don't eat things that make me feel sick" is part of my "I can eat what I like" toolkit. I don't like feeling sick, so I avoid any food that makes me feel that way (or if the issue is the *amount* of the food, I avoid eating that amount).7 -
I have been on MFP for ~2.5 years and have been very successful achieving my goals. I owe much of this to the outstanding advice given by the veterans on these forums. I realize that I am not the average person and appreciate the information given to me blunt and direct. I try to return the favor to the community and share my experiences - identifying factual information and dispelling myths. When I respond to a new poster I try to apply the same principles and read how best to present the data. It's a shotgun approach and does not work with everyone, but in reviewing the feedback it works the majority of the time.
One thing we have to think about is what the poster is really asking/stating. This is where I turn to those posts appearing in the Success Stories sections, where posters state how offended they were initially coming to the forums, but then took a deep dive and looked inward, realizing that their behavior is the root cause and once realizing this - were successful. When I see posts such as this I realize that the OP simply is not ready. These people are still trying to blame something...anything they can rather than facing the harsh reality that their behavior is responsible and the only solution is to change.
So to the vets - keep up the good work guiding and challenging the maze of myths that need to be busted.
To the new posters - welcome. Read carefully and don't read negative intentions into responses. We are here to help.15 -
I'm with you, Veritty111. I'm not here to improve my overall health. Just to get rid of the last 10 out of 20 lbs I gained when I quit smoking.
Other than a thyroid that went gunnybag on me and lungs that rebelled against the smoking, my health is excellent. I take exactly 1 prescription for my thyroid outside of the 3 I take for my COPD.
My LBM is 21, my chol. readings are so good that she quit checking them a couple years ago. My blood pressure is always right on. My bone density is fine.
I can not lift weights, nor carry heavy packages because I run out of oxygen, but that is my own fault. I do read the exercise forum and occasionally ask a question, but that seems to be more geared to body builder stuff so I pass most of it by.
I eat "junk" sometimes, but I cook most stuff from scratch. We do like to eat out, and I try to look up the menu in advance for nutritional info.
But, other than the smoking, nothing I have ever ingested would I call garbage.
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Agreed. My homemade pepperoni pizza has 524 cals, 51 carbs, 25 fat and 27 protein in 2 slices. I consider that a pretty good macro ratio. Add veggies to that, even better.
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Today is my 1495th day of consecutive logging on MFP and I've been telling my friends list that I'm considering an epic ragequit before I hit 1500 days. Maybe this will be the catalyst.
I hope you don't. I have learned a lot from you in the 528 days I have been here.3 -
MontyMuttland wrote: »
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
I can make a whole pizza for about 600 calories *shrug*6 -
MontyMuttland wrote: »
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
You make a lot of blanket statements about people that do not seem to mesh with anything I have ever seen. I am sorry, but no, just about everyone is not eating the whole pizza. My experience has been that most people could not even stomach a whole pizza. Maybe I am the minority here, but most people I know only eat a few slices of pizza per meal. The only person I know that can eat that much in one sitting is my brother who happens to be 6'3" 350lbs and is very (and happily) obese.11 -
I have read quite a few post since being on MFP. Seemingly we have some career posters that harp on anything that they can turn into something negative. To you I say carry on. Pick another target. You don't have to quote me or you can if you want to but I COULD CARE LESS what you say or think of my comment. Point is "to each is own" do what makes you happy. Now you can try and pick apart what I am saying but my comment is to the OP. Who I agree with and how am I physically sick and needing to see a doctor. Wow!!!!! The drama3
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »
I can make a whole pizza for about 600 calories *shrug*
As can I. I tend to make my dough with quinoa just for the extra protein, but not close to 1600 calories.2 -
I have read quite a few post since being on MFP. Seemingly we have some career posters that harp on anything that they can turn into something negative. To you I say carry on. Pick another target. You don't have to quote me or you can if you want to but I COULD CARE LESS what you say or think of my comment. Point is "to each is own" do what makes you happy. Now you can try and pick apart what I am saying but my comment is to the OP. Who I agree with and how am I physically sick and needing to see a doctor. Wow!!!!! The drama
Good Luck with that. :flowerforyou:8 -
MontyMuttland wrote: »
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
It may be your experience that most people are eating an entire pizza, but I'm skeptical if this is actually true. I realize it's anecdotal, but when we have pizza-based events at work, most of my co-workers seem to have 2-4 pieces.
And if some pizza isn't nutritionally poor (as you admit in your response), then it doesn't illustrate your point perfectly.
You didn't say some pizza was nutritionally poor, you said it all was *as a category of food*. If that wasn't what you meant, it's pretty confusing.4 -
I have read quite a few post since being on MFP. Seemingly we have some career posters that harp on anything that they can turn into something negative. To you I say carry on. Pick another target. You don't have to quote me or you can if you want to but I COULD CARE LESS what you say or think of my comment. Point is "to each is own" do what makes you happy. Now you can try and pick apart what I am saying but my comment is to the OP. Who I agree with and how am I physically sick and needing to see a doctor. Wow!!!!! The drama
*Couldn't care less
What people have issue with is how you're implying their/our way of thinking is incorrect/unhealthy. And your way of thinking is the best way to accomplish the same goal. Put your comment in a mirror - it applies to you as well.14 -
I have read quite a few post since being on MFP. Seemingly we have some career posters that harp on anything that they can turn into something negative. To you I say carry on. Pick another target. You don't have to quote me or you can if you want to but I COULD CARE LESS what you say or think of my comment. Point is "to each is own" do what makes you happy. Now you can try and pick apart what I am saying but my comment is to the OP. Who I agree with and how am I physically sick and needing to see a doctor. Wow!!!!! The drama
but who was coherent sentence3 -
MontyMuttland wrote: »
You both illustrate my point perfectly.
If your average pizza actually was just bread, cheese, veggies then you'd be some way to having a bit of nutrition - but they're not.
Try reading the ingredients list on some pizza packaging, you'll see the list of stuff going in them is somewhat longer. Then read the nutritional information about those pizzas and see just how "healthy" they are.
The home-made pizza does sound a ton better, specially the amount of protein there compared to ready-made ones. But I'll make a stab at two slices being what, two sixths of the pizza maybe?
I've been a fat person remember, fat people don't eat two slices of pizza, they eat whole pizzas. And so do most ordinary people as well. Do you order half pizzas or quarter pizzas in a restaurant? Nope, didn't think so.
So yeah, two-sixths of a pizza for 524 calories ain't bad, but that's knocking on the door of 1600 calories for the whole pizza.
And guess who is eating the whole pizza?
Yep, just about everyone...
Just...wow. Fat people eat whole pizzas, not two slices, huh? And somehow packaging pizza sucks all the nutrients out of it. Because there's a long list of ingredients. Huh. So you know what we all eat, how we eat it and what made us fat. Huh.
I've posted this before, but I think it bears repeating here. My diet is heavy on frozen meals, protein/energy bars, and other unnatural foods. MFP records the macro and micro nutrients they contain. Guess what - they add up pretty good at the end of the day. I lost 30 lbs because I was on the edge of requiring statins and blood pressure meds. I'm no longer anywhere near that state and I haven't changed my diet at all, just the amounts I eat. Like wine or dessert after dinner, not both. I eat what I like, which is food.11 -
I am 44 yrs old and spent most of my life in NY, one of the capitals of pizza, and I don't know anyone who would eat a whole pie in one sitting. We order 2 pies (16 slices) for 5 adults and a toddler and usually have 4 or 5 slices left to eat cold for breakfast the next day.11
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When did I say that???? What are you talking about???? In no way was my message cryptic. It was do what makes you happy. IF you think that it is because of your own insecurities.
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There is a plethora, an absolute cornucopia, an OVERABUNDANCE, of information about what people here do, don't, sometimes, always, never, only on the full moon, eat. They're under no obligation to list it in every post.
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