"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »
OK, but you can point them out again. I'm giving you the newbie's point of view on this, btw.Alatariel75 wrote: »We actually have those links, and they get pointed to all the time. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to get read that much
The brand new newbie has not seen your earlier posts about the stickies, and may not know how to find them or even that they exist. I understand it's tiresome to be complete each time, but it's really really helpful. Some newbies may ignore it, but others will pay attention and go on to success.
Speaking of which, is there a link that answers the question of whether "eat whatever you want..." is good advice? (Serious question.) If it was posted earlier, I didn't notice it.
In this very section there's this:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300319/most-helpful-posts-general-diet-and-weight-loss-help-must-reads#latest
Thank you. I did look at those when I joined, but I didn't see any that addressed the "eat whatever you want..." idea. Are there any that you know of? (Serious question.)
How about this one!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10183824/things-i-had-to-unlearn-about-losing-weight/p14 -
diannethegeek wrote: »
OK, but you can point them out again. I'm giving you the newbie's point of view on this, btw.Alatariel75 wrote: »We actually have those links, and they get pointed to all the time. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to get read that much The brand new newbie has not seen your earlier posts about the stickies, and may not know how to find them or even that they exist. I understand it's tiresome to be complete each time, but it's really really helpful. Some newbies may ignore it, but others will pay attention and go on to success.
Speaking of which, is there a link that answers the question of whether "eat whatever you want..." is good advice? (Serious question.) If it was posted earlier, I didn't notice it.
Okay, breaking a month of lurking to say this. After years of posting on these boards, including two stickied posts that answer newbie questions that no one reads, I've been told repeatedly that posting links to old threads is rude, mean, insults the intelligence of newbies. I've had bumps to stickied threads so that more people see them marked as spam. I've been called a spammer for posting said links to the intro threads asking for tips. I've been called a troll for using standard copy/paste advice. I've been told that it's mean, rude, nasty, etc to use standard copy/paste advice that tries to cover all the angles. I even have a copy/paste for threads where people post to tell us all that we're rude/mean/terrible for not giving advice the OP wanted to hear because it's so frequent.
What I'm saying @dfwesq is that, no, we cannot win. If we try to answer threads with personalized advice we're either too hasty, too blunt, not enough disclaimers, etc. Try to link newbies to old threads and you're wrong too.
No one can win on these boards. Fortunately a number of people keep trying from different angles. Personally, I like that these boards end up with advice from a variety of viewpoints. People build off of each others' posts and chime in if they feel something has been missed or glossed over. I just can't be *****'ed to do it anymore after being beaten down by threads like this one over the years.
I hope you stick around to point newbies to the stickies, copy/paste links, bump useful threads, etc. instead of just complaining that not enough of us do it. The boards need more people who can.
Nice to see you posting! I am, however, surprised (and probably shouldn't be) that anyone would object to the standard answers you have posted in the past. Your standard tips for hunger, etc. were well thought out responses that covered all the basics and advice in an easy to read way. You obviously put some time and thought into them and I've always thought they were great.
I'm sorry you have caught flak for your great, informative responses. But I a suspect that you helped a lot more people and pointed them in the right direction than you know. So good job to you! (and if I knew how to post the little cheers smiley I would)7 -
WinoGelato wrote: »CynthiasChoice wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »CynthiasChoice wrote: »To be honest I think that the most frustrating thing about this thread is that the OP is so very close to having some good points - they're just coming out all wrong and instead of being helpful it's just coming off as a massive generalization (because no ifs, ands or buts were included in the original post) and a little condescending.
And when someone posts a thread that denounces an entire section of MFP users, whether intentional or not, you have to expect some blowback.
It's more often than not that only the people who disagree with a post will comment on it. Often times when you agree you don't even bother to comment, so of course most people who have responded to this thread have started their rebuttals with, "actually..."
Some people come here for debate, and some come to find like-minded future friends and helpful advice.
And still others come here to share helpful advice, which the OP labeled "garbage" yet those of us who are responding are admonished and told we need to be "nicer".
Some people give advice tactfully and respectfully and others sound like bossy bullies. Why should we expect MFP to be a functional family when most of us have dis-functional families in "real life."
And still, no comment from you about the OP's choice of words "garbage advice", supported by sweeping generalizations and misunderstanding of what people actually mean when they offer advice of "you can lose weight and still eat the foods you want in a calorie deficit". The rest of us are the bossy bullies?
That wasn't aimed at you. Sorry if you read it that way.0 -
How about this one!Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10183824/things-i-had-to-unlearn-about-losing-weight/p1[/quote]
Thanks, that's all good advice. I didn't notice anything that directly answers the question a newbie might have, but it is still very good advice.0 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
OK, but you can point them out again. I'm giving you the newbie's point of view on this, btw.Alatariel75 wrote: »We actually have those links, and they get pointed to all the time. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to get read that much The brand new newbie has not seen your earlier posts about the stickies, and may not know how to find them or even that they exist. I understand it's tiresome to be complete each time, but it's really really helpful. Some newbies may ignore it, but others will pay attention and go on to success.
Speaking of which, is there a link that answers the question of whether "eat whatever you want..." is good advice? (Serious question.) If it was posted earlier, I didn't notice it.
In this very section there's this:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300319/most-helpful-posts-general-diet-and-weight-loss-help-must-reads#latest
Thank you. I did look at those when I joined, but I didn't see any that addressed the "eat whatever you want..." idea. Are there any that you know of? (Serious question.)
The Sexypants and So You're New Here threads in the Getting Started section probably address many of these points but I don't know of a particular thread that is focused on moderation. Again, these threads are written by community members, get widespread favorable reactions, and eventually get nominated and voted for stickied status. They aren't official FAQs or written by mods (some may be) or anything like that.
I feel like you are looking for a repository with all the answers to every question that is or could be asked. That doesn't exist in a neat little primer. The stickies and the community responses are the best source of good information but ultimately weight loss is a personal journey. Everyone has to figure out their own way, and everyone has to do the work themselves.9 -
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest
Sexypants addresses moderation as well as the other threads linked. You just have to read them.5 -
Thanks, that's all good advice. I didn't notice anything that directly answers the question a newbie might have, but it is still very good advice. [/quote]
Since you seem to be keen to be the voice of all newbies and know all the questions they might have... maybe you should start a thread to try to get those questions answered succinctly and with consensus from the community at large.13 -
I'm very sorry that people mistreated and were ungrateful to you - I genuinely am. I hope it can all be OK.diannethegeek wrote: »What I'm saying @dfwesq is that, no, we cannot win. If we try to answer threads with personalized advice we're either too hasty, too blunt, not enough disclaimers, etc. Try to link newbies to old threads and you're wrong too.
I think my posts were understood to mean "Hey all you veterans, give better advice and do a better job" and I'm sorry if I conveyed that idea. I read the OP, which seemed to be aimed at general advice-givers, and that's what I had in mind. (I had seen a few threads where people - no one here - were giving advice to new members that seemed pretty extreme.)
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WinoGelato wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
OK, but you can point them out again. I'm giving you the newbie's point of view on this, btw.Alatariel75 wrote: »We actually have those links, and they get pointed to all the time. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to get read that much The brand new newbie has not seen your earlier posts about the stickies, and may not know how to find them or even that they exist. I understand it's tiresome to be complete each time, but it's really really helpful. Some newbies may ignore it, but others will pay attention and go on to success.
Speaking of which, is there a link that answers the question of whether "eat whatever you want..." is good advice? (Serious question.) If it was posted earlier, I didn't notice it.
Okay, breaking a month of lurking to say this. After years of posting on these boards, including two stickied posts that answer newbie questions that no one reads, I've been told repeatedly that posting links to old threads is rude, mean, insults the intelligence of newbies. I've had bumps to stickied threads so that more people see them marked as spam. I've been called a spammer for posting said links to the intro threads asking for tips. I've been called a troll for using standard copy/paste advice. I've been told that it's mean, rude, nasty, etc to use standard copy/paste advice that tries to cover all the angles. I even have a copy/paste for threads where people post to tell us all that we're rude/mean/terrible for not giving advice the OP wanted to hear because it's so frequent.
What I'm saying @dfwesq is that, no, we cannot win. If we try to answer threads with personalized advice we're either too hasty, too blunt, not enough disclaimers, etc. Try to link newbies to old threads and you're wrong too.
No one can win on these boards. Fortunately a number of people keep trying from different angles. Personally, I like that these boards end up with advice from a variety of viewpoints. People build off of each others' posts and chime in if they feel something has been missed or glossed over. I just can't be *****'ed to do it anymore after being beaten down by threads like this one over the years.
I hope you stick around to point newbies to the stickies, copy/paste links, bump useful threads, etc. instead of just complaining that not enough of us do it. The boards need more people who can.
I was thinking of you, and your copy/paste "at some point in time, every helpful member of these boards will be called mean... " when I was responding to many of these posts in this thread. I thought about beetlejuicing you in but I'm glad to hear you found it all on your own. You heading back to lurker land?
I'll be in lurker land for a while. Mostly, I'm just busy with other things. But I also recognize that I need a break from these boards every now and again. There's just too much fun here for a person to handle :drinker:14 -
diannethegeek wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
OK, but you can point them out again. I'm giving you the newbie's point of view on this, btw.Alatariel75 wrote: »We actually have those links, and they get pointed to all the time. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to get read that much The brand new newbie has not seen your earlier posts about the stickies, and may not know how to find them or even that they exist. I understand it's tiresome to be complete each time, but it's really really helpful. Some newbies may ignore it, but others will pay attention and go on to success.
Speaking of which, is there a link that answers the question of whether "eat whatever you want..." is good advice? (Serious question.) If it was posted earlier, I didn't notice it.
Okay, breaking a month of lurking to say this. After years of posting on these boards, including two stickied posts that answer newbie questions that no one reads, I've been told repeatedly that posting links to old threads is rude, mean, insults the intelligence of newbies. I've had bumps to stickied threads so that more people see them marked as spam. I've been called a spammer for posting said links to the intro threads asking for tips. I've been called a troll for using standard copy/paste advice. I've been told that it's mean, rude, nasty, etc to use standard copy/paste advice that tries to cover all the angles. I even have a copy/paste for threads where people post to tell us all that we're rude/mean/terrible for not giving advice the OP wanted to hear because it's so frequent.
What I'm saying @dfwesq is that, no, we cannot win. If we try to answer threads with personalized advice we're either too hasty, too blunt, not enough disclaimers, etc. Try to link newbies to old threads and you're wrong too.
No one can win on these boards. Fortunately a number of people keep trying from different angles. Personally, I like that these boards end up with advice from a variety of viewpoints. People build off of each others' posts and chime in if they feel something has been missed or glossed over. I just can't be *****'ed to do it anymore after being beaten down by threads like this one over the years.
I hope you stick around to point newbies to the stickies, copy/paste links, bump useful threads, etc. instead of just complaining that not enough of us do it. The boards need more people who can.
I was thinking of you, and your copy/paste "at some point in time, every helpful member of these boards will be called mean... " when I was responding to many of these posts in this thread. I thought about beetlejuicing you in but I'm glad to hear you found it all on your own. You heading back to lurker land?
I'll be in lurker land for a while. Mostly, I'm just busy with other things. But I also recognize that I need a break from these boards every now and again. There's just too much fun here for a person to handle :drinker:
It's a good time for a break. Rock Chalk!
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diannethegeek wrote: »
OK, but you can point them out again. I'm giving you the newbie's point of view on this, btw.Alatariel75 wrote: »We actually have those links, and they get pointed to all the time. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to get read that much The brand new newbie has not seen your earlier posts about the stickies, and may not know how to find them or even that they exist. I understand it's tiresome to be complete each time, but it's really really helpful. Some newbies may ignore it, but others will pay attention and go on to success.
Speaking of which, is there a link that answers the question of whether "eat whatever you want..." is good advice? (Serious question.) If it was posted earlier, I didn't notice it.
Okay, breaking a month of lurking to say this. After years of posting on these boards, including two stickied posts that answer newbie questions that no one reads, I've been told repeatedly that posting links to old threads is rude, mean, insults the intelligence of newbies. I've had bumps to stickied threads so that more people see them marked as spam. I've been called a spammer for posting said links to the intro threads asking for tips. I've been called a troll for using standard copy/paste advice. I've been told that it's mean, rude, nasty, etc to use standard copy/paste advice that tries to cover all the angles. I even have a copy/paste for threads where people post to tell us all that we're rude/mean/terrible for not giving advice the OP wanted to hear because it's so frequent.
What I'm saying @dfwesq is that, no, we cannot win. If we try to answer threads with personalized advice we're either too hasty, too blunt, not enough disclaimers, etc. Try to link newbies to old threads and you're wrong too.
No one can win on these boards. Fortunately a number of people keep trying from different angles. Personally, I like that these boards end up with advice from a variety of viewpoints. People build off of each others' posts and chime in if they feel something has been missed or glossed over. I just can't be *****'ed to do it anymore after being beaten down by threads like this one over the years.
I hope you stick around to point newbies to the stickies, copy/paste links, bump useful threads, etc. instead of just complaining that not enough of us do it. The boards need more people who can.
Nice to see you posting! I am, however, surprised (and probably shouldn't be) that anyone would object to the standard answers you have posted in the past. Your standard tips for hunger, etc. were well thought out responses that covered all the basics and advice in an easy to read way. You obviously put some time and thought into them and I've always thought they were great.
I'm sorry you have caught flak for your great, informative responses. But I a suspect that you helped a lot more people and pointed them in the right direction than you know. So good job to you! (and if I knew how to post the little cheers smiley I would)
The cheers smiley is easy. Just surround drinker with colons :drinker:
There's a list around somewhere with all of the "secret" ones. I only remember drinker and flowerforyou though 5 -
I came to MFP just shy of two years ago, and had no knowledge of nutrition or how to lose weight. I had been trying on my own, and had lost 21 pounds in the previous six or seven months, and although I was eating less, I was not, in retrospect, getting nearly enough protein or other essentials into my diet, and I was starving all the time. I was close to throwing in the towel and was online looking for a sustainable way to lose weight when I found MFP. I started immediately logging, and then began lurking and reading the forums.
I disagree with some of the statements in this thread, especially about the contention that most of the advice is snarky and superior. There have been a million zillion threads about this same subject, and the same posters, day after day, try to refute that they are saying to eat nothing but junk food as long as it's within your calorie deficit. If not for these people, some of whom are sadly gone now, I would not have learned that I could actually eat something other than grass and lose weight. It didn't take me long to learn this, and it is because of the posters that you see in this thread and alumni that I did. I am no different than any other newbie - I started out with no knowledge and now have a lot because of these threads and these people.
Because of their great "garbage" advice, I didn't deprive myself of foods I liked, I learned to chart my macros and micros so that I would get in all my nutrients and still have room for a snack or two, and suddenly I could eat at a deficit and be physically, mentally and emotionally satieted. During this time, I ate pizza, donuts, chocolate, fast food, mexican food, margaritas and beer, basically everything I ate before, I just ate less of it. What helped me was gaining this knowledge and what got me through was discipline. That's the thing - I'm generally very undisciplined, I'm an emotional eater, I suffer from chronic illness and severe depression, and I have NO support besides the lovely friends I made on MFP, yet I was able to lose 93 pounds over the last couple of years, get off all my blood pressure and cholesterol drugs, and still eat the things I enjoy, in moderation. Discipline, not willpower, is what it takes to do this. But so does knowledge, and I want to thank all the long-time posters here who give of their time, experience and knowledge day after day, month after month, year after year, you have helped me achieve my weight loss goals. I have been in maintenance for seven months and have finally gotten it to stay in a three-pound range. It is a thankless job for you all, but I appreciate what you continue to contribute and you are doing some people a world of good.
I was a newbie, I read, I learned and I succeeded. There is no reason at all that others can't do the same.44 -
LaceyBirds wrote: »I came to MFP just shy of two years ago, and had no knowledge of nutrition or how to lose weight. I had been trying on my own, and had lost 21 pounds in the previous six or seven months, and although I was eating less, I was not, in retrospect, getting nearly enough protein or other essentials into my diet, and I was starving all the time. I was close to throwing in the towel and was online looking for a sustainable way to lose weight when I found MFP. I started immediately logging, and then began lurking and reading the forums.
I disagree with some of the statements in this thread, especially about the contention that most of the advice is snarky and superior. There have been a million zillion threads about this same subject, and the same posters, day after day, try to refute that they are saying to eat nothing but junk food as long as it's within your calorie deficit. If not for these people, some of whom are sadly gone now, I would not have learned that I could actually eat something other than grass and lose weight. It didn't take me long to learn this, and it is because of the posters that you see in this thread and alumni that I did. I am no different than any other newbie - I started out with no knowledge and now have a lot because of these threads and these people.
Because of their great "garbage" advice, I didn't deprive myself of foods I liked, I learned to chart my macros and micros so that I would get in all my nutrients and still have room for a snack or two, and suddenly I could eat at a deficit and be physically, mentally and emotionally satieted. During this time, I ate pizza, donuts, chocolate, fast food, mexican food, margaritas and beer, basically everything I ate before, I just ate less of it. What helped me was gaining this knowledge and what got me through was discipline. That's the thing - I'm generally very undisciplined, I'm an emotional eater, I suffer from chronic illness and severe depression, and I have NO support besides the lovely friends I made on MFP, yet I was able to lose 93 pounds over the last couple of years, get off all my blood pressure and cholesterol drugs, and still eat the things I enjoy, in moderation. Discipline, not willpower, is what it takes to do this. But so does knowledge, and I want to thank all the long-time posters here who give of their time, experience and knowledge day after day, month after month, year after year, you have helped me achieve my weight loss goals. I have been in maintenance for seven months and have finally gotten it to stay in a three-pound range. It is a thankless job for you all, but I appreciate what you continue to contribute and you are doing some people a world of good.
I was a newbie, I read, I learned and I succeeded. There is no reason at all that others can't do the same.
I regret that I have but one Awesome to give to this post...13 -
LaceyBirds wrote: »I came to MFP just shy of two years ago, and had no knowledge of nutrition or how to lose weight. I had been trying on my own, and had lost 21 pounds in the previous six or seven months, and although I was eating less, I was not, in retrospect, getting nearly enough protein or other essentials into my diet, and I was starving all the time. I was close to throwing in the towel and was online looking for a sustainable way to lose weight when I found MFP. I started immediately logging, and then began lurking and reading the forums.
I disagree with some of the statements in this thread, especially about the contention that most of the advice is snarky and superior. There have been a million zillion threads about this same subject, and the same posters, day after day, try to refute that they are saying to eat nothing but junk food as long as it's within your calorie deficit. If not for these people, some of whom are sadly gone now, I would not have learned that I could actually eat something other than grass and lose weight. It didn't take me long to learn this, and it is because of the posters that you see in this thread and alumni that I did. I am no different than any other newbie - I started out with no knowledge and now have a lot because of these threads and these people.
Because of their great "garbage" advice, I didn't deprive myself of foods I liked, I learned to chart my macros and micros so that I would get in all my nutrients and still have room for a snack or two, and suddenly I could eat at a deficit and be physically, mentally and emotionally satieted. During this time, I ate pizza, donuts, chocolate, fast food, mexican food, margaritas and beer, basically everything I ate before, I just ate less of it. What helped me was gaining this knowledge and what got me through was discipline. That's the thing - I'm generally very undisciplined, I'm an emotional eater, I suffer from chronic illness and severe depression, and I have NO support besides the lovely friends I made on MFP, yet I was able to lose 93 pounds over the last couple of years, get off all my blood pressure and cholesterol drugs, and still eat the things I enjoy, in moderation. Discipline, not willpower, is what it takes to do this. But so does knowledge, and I want to thank all the long-time posters here who give of their time, experience and knowledge day after day, month after month, year after year, you have helped me achieve my weight loss goals. I have been in maintenance for seven months and have finally gotten it to stay in a three-pound range. It is a thankless job for you all, but I appreciate what you continue to contribute and you are doing some people a world of good.
I was a newbie, I read, I learned and I succeeded. There is no reason at all that others can't do the same.
Absolutely seconded by a former newbie (and just a lurker most of the time) - I cannot say thank you enough to the veterans who come on the boards every day and try to teach the newbies and explain things like calorie counting, food logging, moderation, etc over and over and OVER, especially when there are newbies who clearly are not ready yet and refuse to listen. But for every one of those, there are probably several lurkers like myself that read along and actually learned how to achieve their goals in a safe, sustainable, and heck, even enjoyable way. So for myself and the other lurkers who rarely comment but are here reading...Veterans @diannethegeek @WinoGelato @kimny72 @lemurcat12 @Alatariel75 (I'm sure I'm going to miss someone and I'm sorry!) - THANK YOU ALL so, so much. Really. More than I can ever say. You gave me my life back.18 -
ivygirl1937 wrote: »LaceyBirds wrote: »I came to MFP just shy of two years ago, and had no knowledge of nutrition or how to lose weight. I had been trying on my own, and had lost 21 pounds in the previous six or seven months, and although I was eating less, I was not, in retrospect, getting nearly enough protein or other essentials into my diet, and I was starving all the time. I was close to throwing in the towel and was online looking for a sustainable way to lose weight when I found MFP. I started immediately logging, and then began lurking and reading the forums.
I disagree with some of the statements in this thread, especially about the contention that most of the advice is snarky and superior. There have been a million zillion threads about this same subject, and the same posters, day after day, try to refute that they are saying to eat nothing but junk food as long as it's within your calorie deficit. If not for these people, some of whom are sadly gone now, I would not have learned that I could actually eat something other than grass and lose weight. It didn't take me long to learn this, and it is because of the posters that you see in this thread and alumni that I did. I am no different than any other newbie - I started out with no knowledge and now have a lot because of these threads and these people.
Because of their great "garbage" advice, I didn't deprive myself of foods I liked, I learned to chart my macros and micros so that I would get in all my nutrients and still have room for a snack or two, and suddenly I could eat at a deficit and be physically, mentally and emotionally satieted. During this time, I ate pizza, donuts, chocolate, fast food, mexican food, margaritas and beer, basically everything I ate before, I just ate less of it. What helped me was gaining this knowledge and what got me through was discipline. That's the thing - I'm generally very undisciplined, I'm an emotional eater, I suffer from chronic illness and severe depression, and I have NO support besides the lovely friends I made on MFP, yet I was able to lose 93 pounds over the last couple of years, get off all my blood pressure and cholesterol drugs, and still eat the things I enjoy, in moderation. Discipline, not willpower, is what it takes to do this. But so does knowledge, and I want to thank all the long-time posters here who give of their time, experience and knowledge day after day, month after month, year after year, you have helped me achieve my weight loss goals. I have been in maintenance for seven months and have finally gotten it to stay in a three-pound range. It is a thankless job for you all, but I appreciate what you continue to contribute and you are doing some people a world of good.
I was a newbie, I read, I learned and I succeeded. There is no reason at all that others can't do the same.
Absolutely seconded by a former newbie (and just a lurker most of the time) - I cannot say thank you enough to the veterans who come on the boards every day and try to teach the newbies and explain things like calorie counting, food logging, moderation, etc over and over and OVER, especially when there are newbies who clearly are not ready yet and refuse to listen. But for every one of those, there are probably several lurkers like myself that read along and actually learned how to achieve their goals in a safe, sustainable, and heck, even enjoyable way. So for myself and the other lurkers who rarely comment but are here reading...Veterans @diannethegeek @WinoGelato @kimny72 @lemurcat12 @Alatariel75 (I'm sure I'm going to miss someone and I'm sorry!) - THANK YOU ALL so, so much. Really. More than I can ever say. You gave me my life back.
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Most here agree that there are different needs for dieting if you have had an eating disorder. It makes it a lot harder, and for some saying foods are off limit is okay. But for the run of the mill dieter, it isn't needed.AZIZAELLAZIZA wrote: »Gosh, you were certainly burned at the stake. I think what you said made sense. I have suffered from this awful binge eating disorder for 34 non stop years, even was part of an eating disorder program for 8 months and had to take a leave of absence from work to attend, and what you said def is my way to go as well. If the replies you got are the norm around here, I shall refrain from posting or reading too much. I am too sensitive and volatile and did not come here to cat fight.People don't want to eat 1 slice of pizza, or a 1/4 of a plate of Loco Rice, or 7 chili cheese fries. They want to have a meal. If you eat the "right amount" of junk food to stay within your calorie limits, you're going to be starving to death and it's going to cause you to eat more. Eating food that doesn't taste as good as what you want is much better than satisfying a craving and then derailing later because you were so hungry you caved. There are a few people around here who have done their time, lost their weight, and they are in good shape. These people give advice from the "look at me, I lost a ton of weight so I know what I'm doing" stand point, but seem to have forgotten what it was like to ACTUALLY live as a fat person. So when someone tells you you can have junk food, don't listen to them, not because they are lying to you - they aren't, it's true - but because the advice isn't helpful in practice.
Do you think there might be more than a few people using this site that have un-diagnosed eating disorders? That may explain a lot of the disagreement over proper dieting advice.2 -
My only points are, first, that there really are people who eat like this (and probably a lot more with similar but less severe problems). For all we know, the person we're replying to could be one of those people. So it's not right to say no one takes things to an extreme, because clearly some do. As far as we know, someone who's reading the advice we post could be that person. Second, "doesn't matter what you eat as long as you maintain a calorie deficit" is only true if weight loss is the only issue. If there are other issues, like nutrition and overall health, it's at best incomplete advice...
1) Yes, there clearly are people who are afflicted with various eating disorders.
2) Yes, there clearly are stupid people with no common sense who do stupid things in spite of the fact that it's a terrible idea.
Neither of the above would be paying the least bit of attention to logical common sense advice, so they're irrelevant to this thread (and the entire topic in general).14 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »^^^Not only that adding every caveat or note would make posts incredibly long.
Yikes . . . I resemble that remark!
Back on topic, perhaps only slightly restating a few others: What seems really weird to me about the OP (post, not person) is the clear implication that standard American junk food is (1) what 'we' want, (2) how 'we' got fat, and (3) what tastes good.
To those three points, speaking only for myself:
(1) Just no (NO!).
(2) Portion control, mostly; but unnecessary and excessive carbs and cheese had a strong supporting role, plus daily (but mostly not abusive) alcohol consumption. I've been eating 83.52% (so-called) "clean" since before there was a misleading and irrational word for it.
(3) Yuck. I don't know what "loco rice" is, even. I haven't had chili cheese fries since at least 1974. Ditto Big Mac (did they even have those in 1974? Can't recall. Whopper existed, though). I'll admit to pizza, but with the whole-wheat crust, heaps of veggies (roasted eggplant is a special favorite), no meat.
I wouldn't even bring this up, but the OP speaks as if there are universals at play in this. Just as we need to different individualized ways to lose weight (though always CICO), we had many individualized ways of getting fat in the first place, and of falling off track (when that happens).
Me, I cringe every time I see the word "hyper-palatable" in its common MFP context. ((Shudder)).3 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »^^^Not only that adding every caveat or note would make posts incredibly long.
Yikes . . . I resemble that remark!
Back on topic, perhaps only slightly restating a few others: What seems really weird to me about the OP (post, not person) is the clear implication that standard American junk food is (1) what 'we' want, (2) how 'we' got fat, and (3) what tastes good.
To those three points, speaking only for myself:
(1) Just no (NO!).
(2) Portion control, mostly; but unnecessary and excessive carbs and cheese had a strong supporting role, plus daily (but mostly not abusive) alcohol consumption. I've been eating 83.52% (so-called) "clean" since before there was a misleading and irrational word for it.
(3) Yuck. I don't know what "loco rice" is, even. I haven't had chili cheese fries since at least 1974. Ditto Big Mac (did they even have those in 1974? Can't recall. Whopper existed, though). I'll admit to pizza, but with the whole-wheat crust, heaps of veggies (roasted eggplant is a special favorite), no meat.
I wouldn't even bring this up, but the OP speaks as if there are universals at play in this. Just as we need to different individualized ways to lose weight (though always CICO), we had many individualized ways of getting fat in the first place, and of falling off track (when that happens).
Me, I cringe every time I see the word "hyper-palatable" in its common MFP context. ((Shudder)).
Heh, I got fat by spending the kind of money some girls spend on Prada on heinously expensive gourmet ingredients, and cooking 5 course meals for the fun of it. Often. And drinking wine with them.10
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