"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.

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  • prattiger65
    prattiger65 Posts: 1,657 Member


    And still others come here to share helpful advice, which the OP labeled "garbage" yet those of us who are responding are admonished and told we need to be "nicer".[/quote]


    I now dub myself "GarbageMan". (although I am a little ashamed of myself that I am overeating troll food)
  • elisa123gal
    elisa123gal Posts: 4,324 Member
    I agree with you original poster. Those CICO people are full of bunk. The quality of what you eat nutritionally can speed up and cause you to lose weight. Eating junk food and processed foods at a deficit doesn't work for me at all. Eating at a deficit is unnatural for the body... and it is tricky to do it long term. You need to maximize the food you eat and be strategic so you don't get hungry go off and binge.

    You are right.. garbage talk!
  • beth2548
    beth2548 Posts: 1 Member
    Is there really an "all pizza' diet? i want in! lol just kidding. You can eat pizza and lose weight, seriously.
  • CynthiasChoice
    CynthiasChoice Posts: 1,047 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    MeganAM89 wrote: »
    To be honest I think that the most frustrating thing about this thread is that the OP is so very close to having some good points - they're just coming out all wrong and instead of being helpful it's just coming off as a massive generalization (because no ifs, ands or buts were included in the original post) and a little condescending.

    And when someone posts a thread that denounces an entire section of MFP users, whether intentional or not, you have to expect some blowback.

    It's more often than not that only the people who disagree with a post will comment on it. Often times when you agree you don't even bother to comment, so of course most people who have responded to this thread have started their rebuttals with, "actually..."


    Some people come here for debate, and some come to find like-minded future friends and helpful advice.

    And still others come here to share helpful advice, which the OP labeled "garbage" yet those of us who are responding are admonished and told we need to be "nicer".

    Some people give advice tactfully and respectfully and others sound like bossy bullies. Why should we expect MFP to be a functional family when most of us have dis-functional families in "real life."
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    newmeadow wrote: »
    @3rdof7sisters and @WinoGelato.

    Yeah, the eating less calories to lose weight thing. The original post in this thread and my comment you're both responding to actually doesn't refute that fact or diminish it.

    OPs point was simple in his original post, if strongly and controversially worded. He doesn't want to eat one fried chicken wing, a single biscuit, and a Pepsi at Popeye's (I'm paraphrasing). It doesn't satisfy, it temps, it teases, it sets obsession thoughts in motion and ultimately, it derails. Yes. Some people are get like that. I know it's shocking, wrong and silly.

    Yes, yes, we know. There's hundreds if not thousands of success stories here at MFP with the same testimony. 'I ate a half cup of Ben and Jerry's ice cream every day while losing weight and look at me now! This is the way it's done. If you don't do this you'll binge on ice cream later." "Life isn't worth living without a Snickers every now and then. Eat one once in a while or you're doing it wrong and you'll put all the weight back on later." "Don't be a fool. Eat barbequed pork ribs, corn on the cob, and deep fried onion rings and don't skip dessert. Just make it fit or you're a dumbasss."

    But that approach doesn't work for everyone. I know, I know. They're just not trying hard enough, they're wrong, they're destined for failure and someday, if they pay attention to the most prolific posters on MFP they'll finally get it.

    I go to live meetings full of people who have successfully kept off 100+ pounds eliminating tempting foods and never picking up again. Yeah. They're out there. And they're here, at MFP whispering quietly in the bushes, running from the spotlight, and chatting in countercultural groups of likeminded weirdos.

    Because if they ever described their method of success, by reducing caloric intake by ELIMINATING CERTAIN FOODS INDEFINATELY they'll get piled on like this OP did.

    I actually thought your response to @Duchy82, which I was quoting and responding to, was related to the poster, @elisa123gal ,who said that CICO is bunk. That poster further went on and said that the quality of food can influence the speed of weight loss, suggesting that the type of foods we eat invalidate the CICO model.

    This is why I was stating that regardless of the types of foods a person eats, or a particular way of eating that they engage in, CICO is ever present and governing in the energy balance and what ultimately dictates whether a person loses weight.

    This particular point didn't have much to do with the OP, but rather a subsequent response in the thread.
  • Duchy82
    Duchy82 Posts: 560 Member
    newmeadow wrote: »
    Duchy82 wrote: »
    I agree with you original poster. Those CICO people are full of bunk. The quality of what you eat nutritionally can speed up and cause you to lose weight. Eating junk food and processed foods at a deficit doesn't work for me at all. Eating at a deficit is unnatural for the body... and it is tricky to do it long term. You need to maximize the food you eat and be strategic so you don't get hungry go off and binge.

    You are right.. garbage talk!

    If CICO is bunk and eating at a deficit is unnatural then why are you using a website that is designed for people to use said method to lose weight. Just curious....

    There's room on this website for all kinds. Keto, vegan, low carb, clean eaters, pre and post bariatric surgery recipients, various forms of intermittent fasting, vegetarian, paleo, primal, gluten free, meal replacement shakes, etc.

    Eat-anything-you-want-in-moderation-while-simply-staying-in-a-deficit may be the main narrative at MFP but it isn't the only one.

    The huge variety of threads and most notably, the groups that are started by MFP members, reflect that.

    But all those methods for weightloss involve a calorie deficit. I am not saying there aren't different ways to achieve a deficit and each to their own and are welcome. But she said that calories in vs calories out is bunk and eating at a deficit is unnatural mfp generally is for counting calories so I wondered why, if she doesn't believe counting calories works, she is using mfp. It's a genuine question.
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,032 Member
    edited March 2017
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just follow it with apple cider vinegar or green tea to reset your metabolism. Then you can eat whatever you like.

    Source?

    Mrs. Braggs? :laugh:
  • Duchy82
    Duchy82 Posts: 560 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    newmeadow wrote: »
    @3rdof7sisters and @WinoGelato.

    Yeah, the eating less calories to lose weight thing. The original post in this thread and my comment you're both responding to actually doesn't refute that fact or diminish it.

    OPs point was simple in his original post, if strongly and controversially worded. He doesn't want to eat one fried chicken wing, a single biscuit, and a Pepsi at Popeye's (I'm paraphrasing). It doesn't satisfy, it temps, it teases, it sets obsession thoughts in motion and ultimately, it derails. Yes. Some people are get like that. I know it's shocking, wrong and silly.

    Yes, yes, we know. There's hundreds if not thousands of success stories here at MFP with the same testimony. 'I ate a half cup of Ben and Jerry's ice cream every day while losing weight and look at me now! This is the way it's done. If you don't do this you'll binge on ice cream later." "Life isn't worth living without a Snickers every now and then. Eat one once in a while or you're doing it wrong and you'll put all the weight back on later." "Don't be a fool. Eat barbequed pork ribs, corn on the cob, and deep fried onion rings and don't skip dessert. Just make it fit or you're a dumbasss."

    But that approach doesn't work for everyone. I know, I know. They're just not trying hard enough, they're wrong, they're destined for failure and someday, if they pay attention to the most prolific posters on MFP they'll finally get it.

    I go to live meetings full of people who have successfully kept off 100+ pounds eliminating tempting foods and never picking up again. Yeah. They're out there. And they're here, at MFP whispering quietly in the bushes, running from the spotlight, and chatting in countercultural groups of likeminded weirdos.

    Because if they ever described their method of success, by reducing caloric intake by ELIMINATING CERTAIN FOODS INDEFINATELY they'll get piled on like this OP did.

    I actually thought your response to @Duchy82, which I was quoting and responding to, was related to the poster, @elisa123gal ,who said that CICO is bunk. That poster further went on and said that the quality of food can influence the speed of weight loss, suggesting that the type of foods we eat invalidate the CICO model.

    This is why I was stating that regardless of the types of foods a person eats, or a particular way of eating that they engage in, CICO is ever present and governing in the energy balance and what ultimately dictates whether a person loses weight.

    This particular point didn't have much to do with the OP, but rather a subsequent response in the thread.

    EXACTLY!
  • AntoinetteAngus
    AntoinetteAngus Posts: 58 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    jdb3388 wrote: »
    People don't want to eat 1 slice of pizza, or a 1/4 of a plate of Loco Rice, or 7 chili cheese fries. They want to have a meal. If you eat the "right amount" of junk food to stay within your calorie limits, you're going to be starving to death and it's going to cause you to eat more. Eating food that doesn't taste as good as what you want is much better than satisfying a craving and then derailing later because you were so hungry you caved. There are a few people around here who have done their time, lost their weight, and they are in good shape. These people give advice from the "look at me, I lost a ton of weight so I know what I'm doing" stand point, but seem to have forgotten what it was like to ACTUALLY live as a fat person. So when someone tells you you can have junk food, don't listen to them, not because they are lying to you - they aren't, it's true - but because the advice isn't helpful in practice.
    Really? I have success rates with ALL my clients and I don't preach eating "clean" at all. In fact, I do tell them to eat whatever they like AS LONG AS they don't exceed the calorie intake set for them. Do you know why people fail at diets? Because they usually are restricted from eating things they actually like. If one LEARNS how to control how much of something like eat, then the chances are higher that they will adhere to that habitual behavior.
    Sorry if you can't do it, but that's an issue you deal with that you have to fix. Unless you have some actual peer reviewed clinical study that one CAN'T be taught moderation, you're just opining what you believe.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    To me this is extremely concerning coming from a 'so-called' Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer. You should be socially responsible and teach your client to aim to eat clean at least 70% of the time. It seems like anyone can become a Certified Trainer these days and most of them are completely out of shape. Where exactly did this notion of eating whatever you want whenever you want as long as it fits in your calorie goals come from? You are being lied to and thank you to the original poster for starting this discussion.
  • Duchy82
    Duchy82 Posts: 560 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    newmeadow wrote: »
    newmeadow wrote: »
    @3rdof7sisters and @WinoGelato.

    Yeah, the eating less calories to lose weight thing. The original post in this thread and my comment you're both responding to actually doesn't refute that fact or diminish it.

    OPs point was simple in his original post, if strongly and controversially worded. He doesn't want to eat one fried chicken wing, a single biscuit, and a Pepsi at Popeye's (I'm paraphrasing). It doesn't satisfy, it temps, it teases, it sets obsession thoughts in motion and ultimately, it derails. Yes. Some people are like that. I know it's shocking, wrong and silly.

    Yes, yes, we know. There's hundreds if not thousands of success stories here at MFP with the same testimony. 'I ate a half cup of Ben and Jerry's ice cream every day while losing weight and look at me now! This is the way it's done. If you don't do this you'll binge on ice cream later." "Life isn't worth living without a Snickers every now and then. Eat one once in a while or you're doing it wrong and you'll put all the weight back on later." "Don't be a fool. Eat barbequed pork ribs, corn on the cob, and deep fried onion rings and don't skip dessert. Just make it fit or you're a dumbasss."

    But that approach doesn't work for everyone. I know, I know. They're just not trying hard enough, they're wrong, they're destined for failure and someday, if they pay attention to the most prolific posters on MFP they'll finally get it.

    I go to live meetings full of people who have successfully kept off 100+ pounds eliminating tempting foods and never picking up again. Yeah. They're out there. And they're here, at MFP whispering quietly in the bushes, running from the spotlight, and chatting in countercultural groups of likeminded weirdos.

    Because if they ever described their method of success, by reducing caloric intake by ELIMINATING CERTAIN FOODS INDEFINATELY they'll get piled on like this OP did.


    And all I am saying is that IT ISN'T THE SAME FOR EVERYONE.
    And it isn't "garbage advice, which the OP is claiming.

    It is garbage advice for the people it doesn't work for. I don't eat candy bars and ice cream and batter fried shrimp in moderation. Telling me to make them fit my macros is garbage advice for me. I throw that advice in the metaphorical garbage. Apparently OP does too and the many people who liked and awesomed his original post.

    Funny how touchy people are about the wording, since many who take issue with it have seemingly solved their overweight problem already.

    I don't know exactly what nerves are being touched here or if it's just a keyboard warrior thing. But I know what doesn't work for me, OP knows what doesn't work for him and we're definitely not alone in this.

    Again, I think we are getting mixed up here. As I stated above, we were responding to a poster who said CICO is bunk, NOT the OP. You quoted that post and said there are a number of ways a person can be successful, and both @Duchy82 and I agree with you, but want to reinforce (not necessarily to you but to @elisa123gal ) that regardless of the method - CICO is not bunk, it is the fundamental energy balance that drives ALL weight loss.

    Again. This is not about the OP and what works for him and what he believes to be "garbage advice".

    Agreed @WinoGelato
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