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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.

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  • calorielogonly
    calorielogonly Posts: 16 Member
    Today my endocrinologist told me I needed to start eating more calories because my reduction of calories is so low that my createen (spelling?) Was too low as a result of my lowering my calories so far down that I am not getting enough protein, and that I am in dangerous waters because my calories were too low. I suppose I could lower my calories further and could eventually lower them enough to lose weight, but according to the endocrinologist I am risking organ failure by having my calories as low as I have been. But you are right, and my specialist is wrong, of that I'm sure. You just forgot to tell me have a medical degree, and specialize in my medical condition. I stand corrected. How about you assist the doctors when I get the heart transplant, and you can tell them what they are doing wrong?

    I don't actually believe a word you're typing.

    Your prerogative, and not my responsibility to convince you. Facts, are facts, and my friends I've had here on MFP have walked the road with me from the start, so those that matter know the truth. You are inconsequential, and I don't know why I engaged you. Believe what you want, and feel free to have the last word.

    Exactly!
  • calorielogonly
    calorielogonly Posts: 16 Member
    edited May 2017
    tpolitza wrote: »
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    I think the basic message of the movement is great, "love yourself", but where it's heading lately is what object to...

    "Real women have curves", "Real men prefer meat, not bones", "Why don't they show a 'real' woman in that bathing suit (when the model isn't heavy)", etc.

    It's turned from a loving yourself regardless of overweight/obese campaign, to bashing women of normal and healthy weights. "Real" women come in all shapes and sizes, period.

    Agreed. This, I understand. No need to bash skinny people, we are all different.

    You say this but your post up above you refer to girls you ran with as "little toothpick shaped high school runners" and "it seemed so many other people my age were toothpicks"...to me, that's not a compliment and is more in the bashing category.


    True, I'll acknowledge that one. I'm sorry about that one. I was getting worked up about it and used the wrong words. I really don't like this social media part of this thing and can't stop logging back on to this thing. This issue is a really sensitive issue and I'm sure there are plenty of women that feel bad about themselves for being skinny also.

  • BurlzGettingFit
    BurlzGettingFit Posts: 115 Member
    tpolitza wrote: »
    tpolitza wrote: »
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    I think the basic message of the movement is great, "love yourself", but where it's heading lately is what object to...

    "Real women have curves", "Real men prefer meat, not bones", "Why don't they show a 'real' woman in that bathing suit (when the model isn't heavy)", etc.

    It's turned from a loving yourself regardless of overweight/obese campaign, to bashing women of normal and healthy weights. "Real" women come in all shapes and sizes, period.

    Agreed. This, I understand. No need to bash skinny people, we are all different.

    You say this but your post up above you refer to girls you ran with as "little toothpick shaped high school runners" and "it seemed so many other people my age were toothpicks"...to me, that's not a compliment and is more in the bashing category.


    True, I'll acknowledge that one. I'm sorry about that one. I was getting worked up about it and used the wrong words. I really don't like this social media part of this thing and can't stop logging back on to this thing. This issue is a really sensitive issue and I'm sure there are plenty of women that feel bad about themselves for being skinny also.

    Fair enough, happens to all of us!
  • calorielogonly
    calorielogonly Posts: 16 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    tpolitza wrote: »
    I agree that being overweight is not ideal and eventually leads to health issues.

    Which is why HAES is a lie, and fat acceptance is death acceptance.
    Does anyone want to see an eff-ing medical miracle? This is my blood work from a couple of months ago before I got back on the wagon. I procrastinated about getting my blood work because I thought for sure being obese would have caught up to me by now. This is my blood work copied and pasted from the online database...pretty cool that we can look up our results online now, rather than just wait for the doctor to say the numbers were normal, or not, or whatever.

    There are a lot of 41 year old smokers who don't have cancer, emphysema and COPD yet.

    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE? EVERYONE ON HERE IS TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT, OR GAIN WEIGHT, OR SOMETHING..... DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HATE OURSELVES FOR IT, OR ACCEPT OURSELVES, IS NONSENSE. PEOPLE PLEASE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

    I'M REALLY JUST ON HERE TO LOG MY DIET AND EXERCISE AND I DIDN'T EXPECT THIS. I DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA BUT IT SEEMS EVERYTHING IS SOCIAL MEDIA THESE DAYS.

    Yet you choose to put your health history on a public forum and get offended when someone comments on it?

    Actually, no one commented on my medical history, my actual blood work results. I just was upset about it when I woke up this morning and figured no-one believed me, so I shared it. I can't delete it now. I can't get this stupid thing out of my head, that's why I don't do social media. Not sure why I looked this post up again. Anyway, I was talking about people being overly concerned about other people being fat, people should mind their own business about that and just look the other way, you don't know what that person is going through.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE?

    That's the exact opposite of HAES/FA. HAES is insisting that fat is healthy and "beautiful". It is not. HAES is an active political movement to try to change people's perception of disgusting narcisists who think a political movement to be "beautiful" is less work than just eating less.

    What specific laws are you concerned they will get passed or what specific things do you think they will achieve.

    As I've mentioned, I don't see them as powerful or socially prominent at all, and if anything I find awareness of obesity as a health risk is nearly universal and certainly more common than it was when I was a kid.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited May 2017
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE?

    That's the exact opposite of HAES/FA. HAES is insisting that fat is healthy and "beautiful". It is not. HAES is an active political movement to try to change people's perception of disgusting narcisists who think a political movement to be "beautiful" is less work than just eating less.

    What specific laws are you concerned they will get passed or what specific things do you think they will achieve.

    As I've mentioned, I don't see them as powerful or socially prominent at all, and if anything I find awareness of obesity as a health risk is nearly universal and certainly more common than it was when I was a kid.

    The most concerning to me is getting weight added to the list of categories against which discrimination is illegal because in that case they can force cost-prohibitive accommodations on businesses, and and make it difficult not to hire (or to fire) employees whose weight is detrimental to their job performance.

    I don't think that will happen. I don't see much risk of it at all. Are there any states that have bills doing this that are anywhere in the process that we could look at?

    Of course, even if such discrimination were made illegal, there would be an exception if there's a legitimate business reason for it, of course, but I also would be against adding weight to the (quite limited) list of things on which employment decisions cannot be based. I think it's unnecessary and would cause more harm than it would avoid.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    these threads in some ways are exactly like the CICO / Nutrition threads. one side is saying "calories for weightloss" and the other side is saying "you can't eat donuts all day, it's unhealthy!" as if they are the same conversation. there's the same kind of disconnect here.

    This is so true.
  • calorielogonly
    calorielogonly Posts: 16 Member
    edited May 2017
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    tpolitza wrote: »
    I agree that being overweight is not ideal and eventually leads to health issues.

    Which is why HAES is a lie, and fat acceptance is death acceptance.
    Does anyone want to see an eff-ing medical miracle? This is my blood work from a couple of months ago before I got back on the wagon. I procrastinated about getting my blood work because I thought for sure being obese would have caught up to me by now. This is my blood work copied and pasted from the online database...pretty cool that we can look up our results online now, rather than just wait for the doctor to say the numbers were normal, or not, or whatever.

    There are a lot of 41 year old smokers who don't have cancer, emphysema and COPD yet.

    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE? EVERYONE ON HERE IS TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT, OR GAIN WEIGHT, OR SOMETHING..... DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HATE OURSELVES FOR IT, OR ACCEPT OURSELVES, IS NONSENSE. PEOPLE PLEASE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

    I'M REALLY JUST ON HERE TO LOG MY DIET AND EXERCISE AND I DIDN'T EXPECT THIS. I DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA BUT IT SEEMS EVERYTHING IS SOCIAL MEDIA THESE DAYS.

    Yet you choose to put your health history on a public forum and get offended when someone comments on it?

    Actually, no one commented on my medical history, my actual blood work results. I just was upset about it when I woke up this morning and figured no-one believed me, so I shared it. I can't delete it now. I can't get this stupid thing out of my head, that's why I don't do social media. Not sure why I looked this post up again. Anyway, I was talking about people being overly concerned about other people being fat, people should mind their own business about that and just look the other way, you don't know what that person is going through.

    I understand and am sorry you feel like that. These discussions tend to make me feel a bit that way too.

    I think it helps to realize that mostly (not entirely) these discussions are people talking past each other, which is why I reposted my comments from page one. If someone came up to me and claimed that obesity was not a health risk (although why they would do that is unclear, so I am a bit skeptical always), I would politely disagree. On a blog I used to read (political, mostly) there was one blogger who would occasionally push the "the obesity epidemic is largely made up and people cannot lose weight" thing, and he would overwhelmingly get push back from the readers of the blog, and I think I responded too, as I disagree.

    On the whole, though, I think that people who tend to feel self-hate and shame associated with obesity (and we are talking long term obesity, or at least more than "oh my goodness, I didn't realize how fat I'd gotten"), often tend to be LESS likely to change if they focus on how much they suck for being fat and how awful they are and are MORE likely to make positive improvements (and lose weight) once they accept themselves as worthwhile people who can do so, and to me that's the positive side of self acceptance or body positivity -- also, for many focusing on the body as what it can do, being healthy, and not mostly physical appearance.

    Feeling better about myself helped me lose weight, and so did dealing with my fear that I was someone who just couldn't by focusing on the things I could do, eat well and be active. (Of course I did lose weight.)

    I don't have a history of yoyo dieting, but I see a lot of truth in what some of the anti diet people say too, with respect to those people's experiences, and for the ones I am most familiar with (Isabel Foxen Duke and Laura Fraser) not dieting does NOT mean being fat. It's a way to get to a healthier approach to food and fitness.




    Thank you
  • Gianfranco_R
    Gianfranco_R Posts: 1,297 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE?

    That's the exact opposite of HAES/FA. HAES is insisting that fat is healthy and "beautiful". It is not. HAES is an active political movement to try to change people's perception of disgusting narcisists who think a political movement to be "beautiful" is less work than just eating less.

    What specific laws are you concerned they will get passed or what specific things do you think they will achieve.

    As I've mentioned, I don't see them as powerful or socially prominent at all, and if anything I find awareness of obesity as a health risk is nearly universal and certainly more common than it was when I was a kid.

    The most concerning to me is getting weight added to the list of categories against which discrimination is illegal because in that case they can force cost-prohibitive accommodations on businesses, and and make it difficult not to hire (or to fire) employees whose weight is detrimental to their job performance.

    In what kind of job would weight itself be detrimental to job performance? I understand lack of fitness being an issue, but I've worked in busy kitchens and warehouses with overweight people. Some of them did quite well, others didn't. I understand that many overweight people are unfit, but so are some thin people. I would rather evaluate someone by how they did a job.

    policemen? firemen?

  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,566 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE?

    That's the exact opposite of HAES/FA. HAES is insisting that fat is healthy and "beautiful". It is not. HAES is an active political movement to try to change people's perception of disgusting narcisists who think a political movement to be "beautiful" is less work than just eating less.

    What specific laws are you concerned they will get passed or what specific things do you think they will achieve.

    As I've mentioned, I don't see them as powerful or socially prominent at all, and if anything I find awareness of obesity as a health risk is nearly universal and certainly more common than it was when I was a kid.

    The most concerning to me is getting weight added to the list of categories against which discrimination is illegal because in that case they can force cost-prohibitive accommodations on businesses, and and make it difficult not to hire (or to fire) employees whose weight is detrimental to their job performance.

    I don't think that would happen, though. Anti-discrimination laws focus on things that are an immutable part of us - gender, race, disability, age. The only exception I can think of is religion, and that one's rooted in a long and convoluted history of relationships between church and state (speaking only of the US) that wouldn't be applicable to weight.* There are no anti-discrimination laws requiring companies to hire smokers (at least in CA, and please correct me if I'm wrong elsewhere), and no requirement to accommodate the habit. Same with alcoholics and substance abusers.


    *Unless, of course, HAES set itself up as a religion, which would make for some wildly entertaining law antics.
  • heiliskrimsli
    heiliskrimsli Posts: 735 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    THE POINT IS....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I AM TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE CARE?

    That's the exact opposite of HAES/FA. HAES is insisting that fat is healthy and "beautiful". It is not. HAES is an active political movement to try to change people's perception of disgusting narcisists who think a political movement to be "beautiful" is less work than just eating less.

    What specific laws are you concerned they will get passed or what specific things do you think they will achieve.

    As I've mentioned, I don't see them as powerful or socially prominent at all, and if anything I find awareness of obesity as a health risk is nearly universal and certainly more common than it was when I was a kid.

    The most concerning to me is getting weight added to the list of categories against which discrimination is illegal because in that case they can force cost-prohibitive accommodations on businesses, and and make it difficult not to hire (or to fire) employees whose weight is detrimental to their job performance.

    In what kind of job would weight itself be detrimental to job performance? I understand lack of fitness being an issue, but I've worked in busy kitchens and warehouses with overweight people. Some of them did quite well, others didn't. I understand that many overweight people are unfit, but so are some thin people. I would rather evaluate someone by how they did a job.

    policemen? firemen?

    EMTs, surgeons, train conductors, airline pilots, flight attendants and a host of other jobs that are physically demanding mean obesity affects performance.

    One man already sued a railroad because he was so obese that they were concerned about the strain of the job killing him an declined to hire, so he claimed discrimination. Thankfully he lost because obesity is not a disability.

    That doesn't even get into the structural accommodations that have to be made in workplaces: reinforced chairs, toilets that can hold hundreds of pounds, larger restroom stalls, more elevators, transport on multi-building campuses for employees who literally can't walk from one to the next. Obese employees have higher rates of absenteeism than do normal weight employees.

    i'd like to see a source for the bolded.

    for the rest, i'm just gonna let it go. i know from previous threads that you're level of tolerance is super low for overweight people. i wonder though, if you'd rally so hard against accommodations like wheelchair ramps or disabled access bathroom stalls, or maybe we should reserve the use of those amenities to people who had no part in incurring their injuries.
    you can use this restroom as long as you weren't a bungee jumper, mountain climber or drunk driver injured during your activities.

    https://www.acoem.org/obesitydrain.aspx
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