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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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I don't ATG, or lift "heavy" for that matter. Guess nothing I do counts. I find it uncomfortable on my knees, same as bridges do weird things to my knees. I'm working on it and will get more advice from the physio when I see them for my hip dysplasia next month.
It's a huge transition to go from dancer form for plies, turned out and parallel, which calls for weight over toes and an upright pelvis to squats. I have it nailed now but boy is a full plie different from an ATG squat. I'm awesome at sumo squats though.6 -
Ah well, I guess the full thickness ulceration of the cartilage in my left knee means that my squats will never count. I'll just give up now.11
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Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...13
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Same thing with the knees and front lunges, my knees feel horrible. Reverse are better. You should work within your body physiology and safety levels, not some arbitrarily defined "only ATG counts" bro definition.7
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VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?0 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike
. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.3 -
Oh it's gotta be just a pic taken there. We've been informed that she ONLY works out at the University under some sort of grant. I still have yet to know which University actually does this for people who aren't athletes in their programs though. Wished she'd tell me which because I've contacted 5 of them so far in Texas and no go.
Wait wait wait. Remember it's at a University being wired to electro cardiograms and indirect calorimeter for 2 hours no less. So there's got to be some sort of Olympic coach there watching the lift even with all that stuff in the way.VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
What are your qualifications to be an expert in olympic style squat form. Are there trainers that teach that at the Anytime Fitness where you go? I used to go to one and there were no olympic trainers there but i know they vary from location to location. Olympic lifts are a specialized field though.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
But the avatar photo was taken at Anytime Fitness. That is why people are asking
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Silly me, I didn't notice it was that poster. Profile pic / name change worked on me, at least. I'm not surprised she has no idea what she's talking about.
Oh, and they don't squat in the Olympics. So, I guess that means any squat should be acceptable. Or none at all. I'm confused.*
* Oh, wait - no, I'm not the one confused.16 -
I, too, was curious as to how one could have "Olympic qualify form" in a lift that isn't even an Olympic lift, but that's already been addressed. It's not an Olympic lift. Carry on.13
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
I've mentioned many times on the boards that I have two forms of arthritis and my knees are terrible. So are many of my other joints.
My main love is running, and strength training supports that love.
I can't squat to full depth, I don't have the right build for it, but squatting parallel with good form has done so much for my joint pain while running. So has deadlifting. Runners are really quad dominant and getting some much needed balance by building up my hamstrings has been really helpful.10 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
I've mentioned many times on the boards that I have two forms of arthritis and my knees are terrible. So are many of my other joints.
My main love is running, and strength training supports that love.
I can't squat to full depth, I don't have the right build for it, but squatting parallel with good form has done so much for my joint pain while running. So has deadlifting. Runners are really quad dominant and getting some much needed balance by building up my hamstrings has been really helpful.
Yeah, needless to say, I am not currently running. Hopefully I'll have the all clear to start again soon. Over last summer (southern hemisphere), I was hiking heaps, up and down some pretty gnarly trails, and had no issues with my knees, or my dodgy hip, because I'd gotten my strength to a good place. And then I let it all slip away...2 -
jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?7 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Ah well, I guess the full thickness ulceration of the cartilage in my left knee means that my squats will never count. I'll just give up now.
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. Also, you have a completely medical reason for having a limit on range of motion. Medical reason are always exceptions to every "rule".3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. It's a standard I hold myself to, not other people. With others, as long as you do your best, that's amazing and should be congratulated. I understand that many people have a limit on thier knees, ankles, hips, it's not uncommon. One of my best friends is a runner, she doesn't consider it "running" until she's cruising a 6 min/mile, but that's her standard, for herself. I've never even gotten close to holding that kind of pace for anything longer than 100 meters.4 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.1 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
So how is that "olympic" when squats aren't an Olympic lift? Confused here? You've seemed to have spun a couple of different stories that don't make sense. What University pays 1/2 tuition for 2 weeks of working out? I'd like to enroll.6 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
Wait. I thought you were part of a longterm study where they had you bulk and cut?
You are consistently changing your story.
And a 6 minute mile? Now that is close to Olympic levels of athlete. Quite some company you keep.9 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
Wait. I thought you were part of a longterm study where they had you bulk and cut?
You are consistently changing your story.
And a 6 minute mile? Now that is close to Olympic levels of athlete. Quite some company you keep.
No, I work with a trainer long term.
Studies are short term programs. Some are long, but those are generally for medication studies. Mine was 14 days.
She's barely hitting 6 for a 10k, she's a long way off to even being able to barely qualify, let alone make the team. Now a marathon, she might hit qualifying times on a good day, a really good day. But, a lot of people hit qualifying times, very few make the team and it's a huge commitment to enter something that you need to basically quit your job for, or at least convive your employer to have massive time off.1 -
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily,
and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. It's a standard I hold myself to, not other people. With others, as long as you do your best, that's amazing and should be congratulated. I understand that many people have a limit on thier knees, ankles, hips, it's not uncommon. One of my best friends is a runner, she doesn't consider it "running" until she's cruising a 6 min/mile, but that's her standard, for herself. I've never even gotten close to holding that kind of pace for anything longer than 100 meters.VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
That is like saying the clean doesn't count unless you can jerk it.
Seriously, do you even know the difference between power lifting and Olympic lifting.?13 -
VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Agree with this ^^. I'm hoping to get the all clear to start running again soon, and will start right back at the beginning of C25K to help build strength further (and because my fitness level has gone to utter crap). Flexibility is also really important. Do you yoga? Check out Yoga with Adriene on YouTube, she has some awesome practices for runners, including one that focuses on hamstrings. I do her full 15 minute practices before and after running.2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
what about butt wink? or knees caving? or hips shooting up too fast? or your squat looking like a good morning....
getting ATG is one thing but there is more to form than that and you don't mention any of it...
I get you said "making sure form is perfect" but olympic form is not perfect ever...even for gold there are always flaws.
even the clean and press is no longer used due to difficulties in judging form...
and if at some point you find out all this ATG has damaged your body due to poor form other than that you might look back on this and shudder...just sayin
you are young...4 -
Since I'm late to the party, I'll drop my own here, though it's probably already been hit on earlier in this threadnaut:
AAS should be descheduled across the board, and the misinformation and demonization needs to stop.
People need to quit their whining, put in some training, and if they've peaked, either shut up or gear up. All of the blubbering about fairness amounts to nothing, when even at the top end (and drug tested) levels, PEDs are in rampant use.4 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
Lol so my bust is a 26, or a stretchy 24 and my waist down is about a 20. Joy! "Hello, yes, I'm trying to find a shirt that is flattering for my size 20 waist AND size 26 boobs" *facepalm*.
Not going to lie, finding shirts that fit well can be a bit annoying but I'll take the current 2 size difference in sizing for my body instead of the old 6.
Right now I generally fit a 1X(14/16)/16 on top and a 14/16 on bottom depending on the cut.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. It's a standard I hold myself to, not other people. With others, as long as you do your best, that's amazing and should be congratulated. I understand that many people have a limit on thier knees, ankles, hips, it's not uncommon. One of my best friends is a runner, she doesn't consider it "running" until she's cruising a 6 min/mile, but that's her standard, for herself. I've never even gotten close to holding that kind of pace for anything longer than 100 meters.
Yeah, at the very end you said that, but you start out your post by saying "When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count." That was what you stated was your unpopular opinion, so don't try to walk it back now because you have been called out for having poor logic and sounding preachy. Not only that but almost every one of your posts now seem extremely dishonest. That's my opinion, but I don't necessarily think it is an unpopular one.21 -
VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Ell oh ell. Scale back...
*looks shifty* *changes subject* Anyway... Logically, you're right about NHS resources and all that, but I just hate going to the doctor. I sit there in the waiting room, feeling the picture of health, and eye all the Properly Deserving with limbs hanging off.
I have an enforced couple of weeks off organised cardio things, while all and sundry go on holiday from teaching. I will have to see how it goes. It's improved so much already.
V. good advice. In my case, lack of flex shouldn't, theoretically, be the problem, but it is my less flexible leg that's doing all this. If it is lack of flexibility, then gawd knows how other people sort this kind of thing.Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Agree with this ^^. I'm hoping to get the all clear to start running again soon, and will start right back at the beginning of C25K to help build strength further (and because my fitness level has gone to utter crap). Flexibility is also really important. Do you yoga? Check out Yoga with Adriene on YouTube, she has some awesome practices for runners, including one that focuses on hamstrings. I do her full 15 minute practices before and after running.
After my initial consults with Dr Google, I was rather panicking that my juvenile over-enthusiastic stretching and lazy form (exploiting my mobility instead of learning to perform techniques precisely) had caught up with me!
I have the Yoga Studio app, but I'll definitely make time to check out Adriene. More yoga is always good; I'm desultorily trying to get my splits back to where they used to be.
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MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
Lol so my bust is a 26, or a stretchy 24 and my waist down is about a 20. Joy! "Hello, yes, I'm trying to find a shirt that is flattering for my size 20 waist AND size 26 boobs" *facepalm*.
Not going to lie, finding shirts that fit well can be a bit annoying but I'll take the current 2 size difference in sizing for my body instead of the old 6.
Right now I generally fit a 1X(14/16)/16 on top and a 14/16 on bottom depending on the cut.
wow you have an amazing hourglass figure. I wish I did. I have 27in waist but 29in hips. According to this chart i am a 14 in waist but below a 4 in hips LOL2
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