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I wish someone would! There is concern we might run out of helium, and this time I'm not spoofing.canadianlbs wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-249030344 -
I had WLS and if I had to go back I would do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. I take extreme offense when someone says it's cheating, as if the weight melts off all by itself. Yes, it's a LOT easier but it also takes an extreme amount of dedication and work on the part of the recipient of said surgery. It's a tool like any other, just an extremely effective one. It is also a serious motivator to maintain a healthy lifestyle and the after effects; confident, new experiences, etc - opens so many doors. I had gastric bypass surgery when I was 25 (I'm 31) and I was wasting time and money in college, in and out, not knowing what I wanted to do with my life. After my experience, not only have I had experiences I didn't think I'd have, but I've finally got a clear view of what I want to do with my life and everything I need to do to get there is clear. And, if we're being honest, I think that most people who say it is cheating are people who secretly wish they could get it but don't have insurance or an insurance that will pay for it.
That being said, I absolutely hate restrictive dieting. No/low carbs, stuff like that. This is NOT a sustainable lifestyle for most people and most of the time you not only gain that weight back, but end up packing on more! I'm a firm believer of balance and of truly getting to know your body and being able to decipher when a craving is real and when it's not. When a craving is real, I indulge because if I don't, I'll end up eating everything else until I get what I actually want.13 -
My unpopular opinion seems to be CIC0 makes sense. I had 100 pounds to lose and MFP put me on 1200 calories a day. I have lost over 40 pounds since April but occasionally I will have a week of doing it right and I will lose nothing. I also have weeks of doing the same when I lose 4 pounds. Any time I have a stall week people tell me it is because I am not eating enough and I need to eat more to lick start my metabolism. And WTF is starvation mode? Eating more does not make sense to me and I am sticking with it.10
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JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
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Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
Sure, if you interpret it that way then being fat is also related to dietary fat, salt, spices, herbs, aromatics, maillard reaction, yeast, flavorings, packaging, coloring agents, texture agents, strategic shelf placement, peer pressure, and more. All of these make food more appealing, so singling out sugar makes no sense.23 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
Sure, if you interpret it that way then being fat is also related to dietary fat, salt, spices, herbs, aromatics, maillard reaction, yeast, flavorings, packaging, coloring agents, texture agents, strategic shelf placement, peer pressure, and more. All of these make food more appealing, so singling out sugar makes no sense.
Share where I stated that sugar is the only cause of obesity.3 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
Sure, if you interpret it that way then being fat is also related to dietary fat, salt, spices, herbs, aromatics, maillard reaction, yeast, flavorings, packaging, coloring agents, texture agents, strategic shelf placement, peer pressure, and more. All of these make food more appealing, so singling out sugar makes no sense.
Share where I stated that sugar is the only cause of obesity.
Not you specifically. I'm more appending to your reply than replying to it. Just making a related point. People like to single out sugar/fat/fructose/whatever else and pin obesity on it. That's not how overeating works.12 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.18
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canadianlbs wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
Don't you mean "HeHeHeHeHe"?30 -
canadianlbs wrote: »theresejesu wrote: »Actually, it's probably lectins.
are lectins another word for leprechauns? because they sound kind of like it.
I think lectins are those little slimy sucker things that doctors used in the Middle Ages to suck "bad humors" out of people's bodies.
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It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
Swollen with water. *giggle*.... yeah, right.
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It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
That's funny(as in ironic) and false.
Since he lost 120+ lbs the same way everyone else does.
Eat less Move more.10 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
I had a bit of a back and forth with another poster in one of the 'sugar is the debil' threads, and there's plenty of foods that are low in sugar, that are very easy to overeat on/are calorie bombs. I gained a lot of my extra weight by eating too many calories via corn chips, pretzels, chips etc. These kinds of foods have no sugar or trace amounts, but definitely have calories.
Now that I eat a mostly whole foods woe I've really cut back on those types of food, but now struggle with moderating nuts, seeds, olives etc. Again, low sugar foods that are calorie dense and very easy for me to overeat on. Until I started eating fruit regularly earlier this year, my sugar consumption was very low. That didn't prevent me from being overweight and a prediabetic back before I lost the extra weight.2 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
Unless you are in kidney failure or have another serious medical condition than they aren't carrying a huge amount of extra fluid and yes doctors do help with edema. Diuretics, dialysis etc are real medical treatments.5 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
If by "diet" you mean "calorie deficit", this is not true. Edema can mask fat loss (especially if the levels fluctuate a lot), but in a calorie deficit, fat loss will occur. I'm not sure what you mean by "Doctors do not help edema", do you mean they willfully don't treat the condition to the best of their knowledge? Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence to back up this claim?4 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
I googled him and this is what is said on his wiki page
"Iglesias described the struggle to incorporate a healthier lifestyle, relating how he was told by a specialist that his heavy touring schedule precluded him from being a candidate for bariatric surgery, and how he resorted instead to weight-lifting,DDP Yoga, and a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, which helped him shed over 100 pounds (45 kilograms)."
So no it wasn't because of edema11 -
cmriverside wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
oh. Well that's disappointing.
...and maybe a little embarrassing.
I thought it was funny.
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theresejesu wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
oh. Well that's disappointing.
...and maybe a little embarrassing.
I thought it was funny.
To be fair. the use of LSD vs LISS was deliberate although I assumed that on a fitness site LSD would be a common enough acronym.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
The ability to determine what is true is greatly limited by one's paradigm and how easily they are able to shift to, and consider new paradigms, or how entrenched they are in their own paradigm.
Some know they don't know what they don't know. Others are simply unaware they don't know what they don't know.2
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