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WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
Jane is vegan fyi.5 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I'm not a low carber, but demonizing Low carb is just silly.... and it's wrong.8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
And the group, isn't criticizing your position and Dr Greger because they are keto/Low Carb.
They're criticizing your position and Dr Greger because your position is wrong and Dr Greger is a woo peddler.17 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.10 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
When you respond directly to my post and say things like "surely not you" and "I want to believe as you lower carbers do," it doesn't sound like you're addressing a group. It sounds like I'm being addressed in particular. If that isn't what you mean, maybe quoting a particular person and using phrases like that isn't the best tactic.24 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
False
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Doubly False
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
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stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.
Maybe you could prove me wrong on the HIIT...
Don't you worry about strains and injuries doing HIIT?
It just seems risky to me tbh3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
There is a lot of research out there, but it's also possible for us to educate ourselves on indicators that help distinguish reliable studies/conclusions from unreliable. We don't have to just throw up our hands and say "Who knows, there's just too much research!"
And yes, the scope of our knowledge changes. We should never be certain that we have the final, absolute truth, but it is possible to say "Based on what we know now, this is what I think is true." This isn't the same thing as saying we will never change our mind based on new information or form a more complicated or nuanced position based on information we may learn in the future. Saying we shouldn't have positions because we might someday learn it is wrong . . . that seems totally futile. It's a level of relativism that is completely unnecessary.
If you can write a sentence like "If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself" in response to a post where I specifically wrote "There is always room for improvement" and signified my willingness to hear and respond to instances where you felt as if I was filtering reality through my opinions, I don't even know how to respond to that. Are you actually reading what I'm writing or are you just taking a bit of it and then responding to what you wish I was saying? Someone who says they know there is room for improvement and leaves the door open for critical feedback is saying the opposite of "I'm perfect."17 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.
Maybe you could prove me wrong on the HIIT...
Don't you worry about strains and injuries doing HIIT?
It just seems risky to me tbh
Do you even know what HIIT is?
It's a protocol.
It's not a program, it's not a workout, it's a protocol.
The one I most prefer is to use the elliptical since they're more ubiquitous than rowing machines.
5 minute warmup 30-60 seconds max effort followed by 90-180 seconds recovery, Repeated 4-6 times. 5 minute cooldown
Alternately, and this one is a killer. Calculate 95% max HR. 5 min warmup. increase intensity and tension until target HR is reached maintain intensity 30 seconds. Reduce intensity and tension until recovery HR is reached..usually 125-140. maintain 60 seconds. Repeat AMRAP for a total duration of no more than 20 minutes work time. Most people manage 1 rep. some make it for 2. After 3 weeks, most are doing 5 or 6 reps in the 20 minutes.
Strain and injury risk(very low)6 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.
Maybe you could prove me wrong on the HIIT...
Don't you worry about strains and injuries doing HIIT?
It just seems risky to me tbh
I'm not @stanmann571, but in my world, HIIT is not for beginners.
It's for reasonably conditioned athletes, mainly for those who want to makes specific kinds of capability improvements at particular stages of their training cycles. (Or, occasionally, just for funsies. But still just for people with decent basic conditioning.)
So, no: Not very worried about strains and injuries. Gonna have to go that hard in a race, anyway. Don't want the race to be the very first time, do we?5 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
I'll admit that it took me a minute, lol.
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That picture shows the damaging effects of the chemical compound O2. Just think what that stuff may do to the human body on a cellular level.
I have looked into it, and in every SINGLE case of obesity on record, the subject had a history of long-term exposure to atmospheric O2.
I'm not going to overstate the link as this theory hasn't gained enough traction within the scientific community to see specific research initiated, but at this point, it is clear that O2 exposure correlates with unwanted weight gain.18 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »That picture shows the damaging effects of the chemical compound O2. Just think what that stuff may do to the human body on a cellular level.
I have looked into it, and in every SINGLE case of obesity on record, the subject had a history of long-term exposure to atmospheric O2.
I'm not going to overstate the link as this theory hasn't gained enough traction within the scientific community to see specific research initiated, but at this point, it is clear that O2 exposure correlates with unwanted weight gain.
Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.6 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
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canadianlbs wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
Nope. I'mma switch to Boron.3
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