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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Nicholas_39 wrote: »Overly uplifting, approving and congratulating friends can be bad for you just as the disapproving ones can. I don't need a goddamn congratulations for every little thing I do..
Great post! Keep being awesome!
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Nicholas_39 wrote: »Overly uplifting, approving and congratulating friends can be bad for you just as the disapproving ones can. I don't need a goddamn congratulations for every little thing I do.
edit: Just realized it's not specifically a health/fitness thing, but support still is a big part of it, imo.
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If someone makes a contentious comment in passing, like using the word "toned", or saying "muscle weighs more than fat", or that they're on a cleanse, or using the word metabolism incorrectly.. i let it go. It's already been argued to death by the fitness justice warriors. 12
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I'm glad we agree for the most part.jseams1234 wrote: »Derf_Smeggle wrote: »Oh, oh. Another one!
BMI needs to stop being used to measure an individual's health status! That's not how it is meant to be used. It's for use in population studies.
BMI is a tool and an indicator. It's not supposed to be used on it's own.
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but he doesn't just use BMI in a vacuum - nobody should.
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Cherimoose wrote: »Great post! Keep being awesome!
Nice editing!
Thank you guys, I really tried hard for that! Thank you for keeping my spirits high in these trying times! Great responses! Both of you are awesome!
Edit (he, he, another good one incoming!) - I just inhaled some air and guess this!
... you won't believe it
I exhaled it! Successfully!
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Nicholas_39 wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »Great post! Keep being awesome!
Nice editing!
Thank you guys, I really tried hard for that! Thank you for keeping my spirits high in these trying times! Great responses! Both of you are awesome!
Edit (he, he, another good one incoming!) - I just inhaled some air and guess this!
... you won't believe it
I exhaled it! Successfully!
How did you do that?!? Are you a wizard? I need someone to remind me, or else I won't be consistent.
ETA: You're so amazing, I'm in awe.1 -
Late to the party but... I will try to hit one that hasn't already been stated I don't think.
Convenience foods (frozen meals, skillet meals, ready rice, even <gasp> Hamburger Helper) can taste good AND be a part of a healthy, nutritious overall diet?
Does this mean I eat only convenience foods? Nope.
Does this mean I can't cook? Nope.
Do I have a damaged palate? Nope.
Do I ignore nutrition? Nope.
Do I think the ingredients are going to have a negative impact on my health in the short or long term? Nope.
Does it mean that I'm a busy working mom who prefers sometimes to rely on a frozen breakfast bowl (Egg whites, turkey sausage, breakfast potatoes and cheese) microwaved for 3 minutes for 240 cals and 22 g of protein rather than cooking something similar myself (which I could, but would take much longer to prepare)? Yep.33 -
Nicholas_39 wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »Great post! Keep being awesome!
Nice editing!
Thank you guys, I really tried hard for that! Thank you for keeping my spirits high in these trying times! Great responses! Both of you are awesome!
Edit (he, he, another good one incoming!) - I just inhaled some air and guess this!
... you won't believe it
I exhaled it! Successfully!
Citation or it didn't happen.6 -
@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:3
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I have several unpopular opinions, I think.
1. I believe that there can be value in READING and following formal diets for some people. I believe many of the knowledgeable people here *learned* from formal diets, whether they actually read/studied them or not. I personally learned a LOT from reading formal diet books. I believe that knowledge has helped me maintain +- for 16 years, including through menopause.
2. I believe there are junk foods. Though I don't like the term "empty calories".
3. I believe most folks would benefit (overall) from limiting added sugars and highly refined carbohydrates much more than the average person does.
4. I believe the research that suggests that peri-menopause/menopause leads to insulin resistance in some women. I believe that IR can make it more difficult for some menopausal women to lose weight. (I also believe the hormonal changes at menopause can change how women handle refined carbohydrates, with or without IR.)
5. I believe the distinction between "complex" and "simple" carbohydrates is fairly worthless.
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6. I think it's fine if people want to substitute whatever for whatever and still call it pizza, or ice cream, or whatever. It's just a name. No one should be mocked for doing what they want/need to do to meet their goals.8 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.53 -
I heart you so hard @WinoGelato
You described my typical evening except add 2 more kids and a 6 month old baby.
I love to cook as well, but sometimes a convenience meal or *gasp* fast food does the trick.17 -
I know I'm late, and most everything I've listed here has been covered, but I'll list my unpopular opinions.
1. While I do believe in moderation of most foods, I do still think that there are healthy foods and unhealthy foods. It's just that the unhealthy foods are what should make up the minority of what we eat.
2. While some food ingredients and additives may be shown to be harmless in typical dosages, it does not mean that consuming significant quantities of foods with this additional "stuff" over the course of many, many years will not lead to any consequences.
3. Not all routine blood tests done at annual checkups can offer a complete picture of one's health. In other words, I think in some cases there are tests that are not always done that could give clues to some issues that may be going on underneath the surface.
5. Going against the grain with regards to Western medicine can have benefits in some cases. This doesn't necessarily mean going to the extreme, but whenever this is brought up in other threads people shoot it down just because it doesn't align with peer-reviewed scientific studies.
5. This is basically an extension of 4, but really applicable to more than just that. I don't believe that because (in some cases) there are plenty of anecdotal accounts of something working means that it should be automatically tossed out as being applicable to someone else because there isn't "scientific proof".
That being said, I do agree with most others here that when it comes to weight loss supplements, metabolism boosters, etc., much of that stuff is unnecessary and useless.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
But but but in that hour watching tv you could prepare all the meals for the week and you could also take time during phone meetings to chop vegetables and why do your kids need to do homework wouldn't they learn more planting an organic garden so you could have raw foods year-round and I bet you take time to shower, but that is time that you could use updating your clean food blog to inspire other working moms and .......30 -
Because of the way the body's bicarbonate buffer system works, the acidity that dairy causes can cause bone loss. I don't think it's a big issue for people who do weight training but if you look up the statistics for the countries with the highest dairy consumption they also lead with bone loss. BUT it's big business like many things are and so the push toward less toxic milks has been done mostly by the fitness community and is why almond, soy, and rice milk is much more available now. Animal protein is just hard on the body all together especially the kidneys and increases the risk of cancer for the same reason "acidity".
Link/quote your peer-reviewed scientific sources. That is vegan woo and scaremongering.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27882862?log$=activityThe most recent evidence suggested that intake of milk and dairy products was associated with reduced risk of childhood obesity. In adults, intake of dairy products was shown to improve body composition and facilitate weight loss during energy restriction. In addition, intake of milk and dairy products was associated with a neutral or reduced risk of type 2 diabetes and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, particularly stroke. Furthermore, the evidence suggested a beneficial effect of milk and dairy intake on bone mineral density but no association with risk of bone fracture. Among cancers, milk and dairy intake was inversely associated with colorectal cancer, bladder cancer, gastric cancer, and breast cancer, and not associated with risk of pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, or lung cancer, while the evidence for prostate cancer risk was inconsistent. Finally, consumption of milk and dairy products was not associated with all-cause mortality.5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
Frozen meals are convenient, including for super busy people like stated or people who don't know how to cook (that's how I started) or people who have a few bad days and need something quick and easy. I like to eat a protein bar for lunch (with fruit and rice cakes, with carrots as a snack) because it has helped me stay on track to have a lunch everyday. Sure, I won't post it on IG but it helps me stick to my daily plan.
Tonight, I am going to have frozen pizza with my husband (we add some of our own toppings) because after the gym, we are having an at home movie night and stay in. Sure, I could make little homemade pizzas. But it fits my macros and is easy and is part of the casual lifestyle that is sustainable for me in the long run. So I will save myself the stress (sorry, as a still relatively new cook, cooking does stress me out a bit) and enjoy my evening
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I know I'm late, and most everything I've listed here has been covered, but I'll list my unpopular opinions.
1. While I do believe in moderation of most foods, I do still think that there are healthy foods and unhealthy foods. It's just that the unhealthy foods are what should make up the minority of what we eat.
2. While some food ingredients and additives may be shown to be harmless in typical dosages, it does not mean that consuming significant quantities of foods with this additional "stuff" over the course of many, many years will not lead to any consequences.
3. Not all routine blood tests done at annual checkups can offer a complete picture of one's health. In other words, I think in some cases there are tests that are not always done that could give clues to some issues that may be going on underneath the surface.
5. Going against the grain with regards to Western medicine can have benefits in some cases. This doesn't necessarily mean going to the extreme, but whenever this is brought up in other threads people shoot it down just because it doesn't align with peer-reviewed scientific studies.
5. This is basically an extension of 4, but really applicable to more than just that. I don't believe that because (in some cases) there are plenty of anecdotal accounts of something working means that it should be automatically tossed out as being applicable to someone else because there isn't "scientific proof".
That being said, I do agree with most others here that when it comes to weight loss supplements, metabolism boosters, etc., much of that stuff is unnecessary and useless.
1. Unhealthy would mean it's bad at any amount, the fact you can have a moderate amount and be totally fine is in direct opposition to it being unhealthy. Which leads to 2.
2. This is true of literally any single food ingredient. You can die of too much water for Christ's sake. The constant singling out of things you (general you) consider "bad" is silly and caused by house wive's tales and broscience.
3. Eh.
4 and 5. See 2. Too much house wive's tales and broscience. If you spend time sifting through those anecdotes and give it as much value as actual research by people who know what the heck they're doing, you'll become the sci-fi movie AI defeated by an impossible question because you can easily find mutually exclusive advice on 90% of things.5 -
stevencloser wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I know I'm late, and most everything I've listed here has been covered, but I'll list my unpopular opinions.
1. While I do believe in moderation of most foods, I do still think that there are healthy foods and unhealthy foods. It's just that the unhealthy foods are what should make up the minority of what we eat.
2. While some food ingredients and additives may be shown to be harmless in typical dosages, it does not mean that consuming significant quantities of foods with this additional "stuff" over the course of many, many years will not lead to any consequences.
3. Not all routine blood tests done at annual checkups can offer a complete picture of one's health. In other words, I think in some cases there are tests that are not always done that could give clues to some issues that may be going on underneath the surface.
5. Going against the grain with regards to Western medicine can have benefits in some cases. This doesn't necessarily mean going to the extreme, but whenever this is brought up in other threads people shoot it down just because it doesn't align with peer-reviewed scientific studies.
5. This is basically an extension of 4, but really applicable to more than just that. I don't believe that because (in some cases) there are plenty of anecdotal accounts of something working means that it should be automatically tossed out as being applicable to someone else because there isn't "scientific proof".
That being said, I do agree with most others here that when it comes to weight loss supplements, metabolism boosters, etc., much of that stuff is unnecessary and useless.
1. Unhealthy would mean it's bad at any amount, the fact you can have a moderate amount and be totally fine is in direct opposition to it being unhealthy.
I agree with this but feel it's simply misuse of a word.
I too believe in healthy foods and foods that are not healthy, which is not the same as being unhealthy (despite what some on these forums insist). Some foods promote health, and some do not (except perhaps mental health).
This is why I typically use 'good' and 'bad' for foods instead of healthy and unhealthy except on an individual basis. There are unhealthy foods on an individual basis, of course.2 -
1) Lifting crazy amounts of weight isn’t a healthy long-term fitness practice. Yes, this is anecdotal, but most guys I know who were powerlifting gym rats in their teens, 20s, and 30s have suffered from this in their 40s and beyond. Bad joints and muscle tears have kept them sidelined in a lot of instances and diminished their quality of life. Yes, I realize that if you use good lifting form this shouldn’t happen, but when a person lifts 6+ hours per week over a number of years, an instance of bad form is going to happen and injuries will occur.
2) Accepting and encouraging inferior food quality (i.e., excessive preservatives, food dyes, steroids, antibiotics, etc.) make you a useful idiot for the corporate food industry. Every time you shrug off the presence of industrial additives that only increase corporate profitability and don’t benefit the person consuming them nutritionally, you are enabling more of it.
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jseams1234 wrote: »
Because of the way the body's bicarbonate buffer system works, the acidity that dairy causes can cause bone loss. I don't think it's a big issue for people who do weight training but if you look up the statistics for the countries with the highest dairy consumption they also lead with bone loss. BUT it's big business like many things are and so the push toward less toxic milks has been done mostly by the fitness community and is why almond, soy, and rice milk is much more available now. Animal protein is just hard on the body all together especially the kidneys and increases the risk of cancer for the same reason "acidity".
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22081694
Recently the lay press has claimed a hypothetical association among dairy product consumption, generation of dietary acid, and harm to human health. This theoretical association is based on the idea that the protein and phosphate in milk and dairy products make them acid-producing foods, which cause our bodies to become acidified, promoting diseases of modern civilization. Some authors have suggested that dairy products are not helpful and perhaps detrimental to bone health because higher osteoporotic fracture incidence is observed in countries with higher dairy product consumption. However, scientific evidence does not support any of these claims. Milk and dairy products neither produce acid upon metabolism nor cause metabolic acidosis, and systemic pH is not influenced by diet. Observations of higher dairy product intake in countries with prevalent osteoporosis do not hold when urban environments are compared, likely due to physical labor in rural locations. Milk and other dairy products continue to be a good source of dietary protein and other nutrients. Key teaching points: Measurement of an acidic pH urine does not reflect metabolic acidosis or an adverse health condition. The modern diet, and dairy product consumption, does not make the body acidic. Alkaline diets alter urine pH but do not change systemic pH. Net acid excretion is not an important influence of calcium metabolism. Milk is not acid producing. Dietary phosphate does not have a negative impact on calcium metabolism, which is contrary to the acid-ash hypothesis.
I'm just hear to profess my undying love. For you and for science. 7 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
I don't tend to think people lazy for choosing convenience foods except for cases where I know it's true. But I do think they are often using lack of time as an excuse to eat convenience foods instead of something that might be a little healthier. It doesn't take any longer to bake frozen fish and precut broccoli in the oven than it does a frozen pizza. It doesn't take any longer to make an omelet or stir fry using precut vegetables than it does to make Hamburger Helper.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't eat whatever they want, just saying I rarely buy the "I don't have time" excuse.3 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
And, given that we all have limited time, choosing to use that time to parent one's children and achieve professional goals (or even read a book) instead of cooking doesn't mean that one is less motivated or industrious than someone who spends less time on the former and more on the latter.11 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
I don't tend to think people lazy for choosing convenience foods except for cases where I know it's true. But I do think they are often using lack of time as an excuse to eat convenience foods instead of something that might be a little healthier. It doesn't take any longer to bake frozen fish and precut broccoli in the oven than it does a frozen pizza. It doesn't take any longer to make an omelet or stir fry using precut vegetables than it does to make Hamburger Helper.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't eat whatever they want, just saying I rarely buy the "I don't have time" excuse.
True- I have learned over time that I can make some meat and frozen veggies and a basic carb in a very short amount of time. I eat like that when I can. I don't really use the excuse of no time (not that I feel your comment was directed to me) just that some days, I just want (and sometimes, need) to use my time/energy/stress differently (like tonight and similar to @janejellyroll comment below).janejellyroll wrote: »
And, given that we all have limited time, choosing to use that time to parent one's children and achieve professional goals (or even read a book) instead of cooking doesn't mean that one is less motivated or industrious than someone who spends less time on the former and more on the latter.
My priorities are a little different than others and include a non-dieting DH who really can only handle so much of my food choices, so we can compromise and still indulge in certain convenience foods. Others prioritize their children, others chose career, and others prioritize hobbies- and all have different ways to lose weight, using the resources at their disposal.
I keep thinking progress, not perfection, and I am doing a hell of a lot better with my progress being more forgiving with myself about my process than when I beat myself up for eating something I had deemed "bad". Because I am certainly better off where I am now compared where I was before. And I hope to be better off in the future than where I am now.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
I don't tend to think people lazy for choosing convenience foods except for cases where I know it's true. But I do think they are often using lack of time as an excuse to eat convenience foods instead of something that might be a little healthier. It doesn't take any longer to bake frozen fish and precut broccoli in the oven than it does a frozen pizza. It doesn't take any longer to make an omelet or stir fry using precut vegetables than it does to make Hamburger Helper.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't eat whatever they want, just saying I rarely buy the "I don't have time" excuse.
Or people have different priorities.7 -
Penthesilea514 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
I don't tend to think people lazy for choosing convenience foods except for cases where I know it's true. But I do think they are often using lack of time as an excuse to eat convenience foods instead of something that might be a little healthier. It doesn't take any longer to bake frozen fish and precut broccoli in the oven than it does a frozen pizza. It doesn't take any longer to make an omelet or stir fry using precut vegetables than it does to make Hamburger Helper.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't eat whatever they want, just saying I rarely buy the "I don't have time" excuse.
True- I have learned over time that I can make some meat and frozen veggies and a basic carb in a very short amount of time. I eat like that when I can. I don't really use the excuse of no time (not that I feel your comment was directed to me) just that some days, I just want (and sometimes, need) to use my time/energy/stress differently (like tonight and similar to @janejellyroll comment below).janejellyroll wrote: »
And, given that we all have limited time, choosing to use that time to parent one's children and achieve professional goals (or even read a book) instead of cooking doesn't mean that one is less motivated or industrious than someone who spends less time on the former and more on the latter.
My priorities are a little different than others and include a non-dieting DH who really can only handle so much of my food choices, so we can compromise and still indulge in certain convenience foods. Others prioritize their children, others chose career, and others prioritize hobbies- and all have different ways to lose weight, using the resources at their disposal.
I keep thinking progress, not perfection, and I am doing a hell of a lot better with my progress being more forgiving with myself about my process than when I beat myself up for eating something I had deemed "bad". Because I am certainly better off where I am now compared where I was before. And I hope to be better off in the future than where I am now.
Everyone's balance is going to look a little different. I personally don't think there is a wrong way to do it as long as you're liking what you eat, meeting your goals, and have enough time for the things you need to do and want to do.
I love cooking, I make time for it virtually every day. But as a result, I do less of some other things that other people might find important. It would be easy for someone to look at my life and say that I'm lazy because I'm spending "too much" time on a fun hobby that just happens to result in cooked food.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Everyone's balance is going to look a little different. I personally don't think there is a wrong way to do it as long as you're liking what you eat, meeting your goals, and have enough time for the things you need to do and want to do.
I love cooking, I make time for it virtually every day. But as a result, I do less of some other things that other people might find important. It would be easy for someone to look at my life and say that I'm lazy because I'm spending "too much" time on a fun hobby that just happens to result in cooked food.
I hope to come to be more comfortable with cooking over time. That would be an awesome. If not (or until then), then I will be glad I know how to pace/portion myself with convenience foods when we (inevitably) have them.3 -
Penthesilea514 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Everyone's balance is going to look a little different. I personally don't think there is a wrong way to do it as long as you're liking what you eat, meeting your goals, and have enough time for the things you need to do and want to do.
I love cooking, I make time for it virtually every day. But as a result, I do less of some other things that other people might find important. It would be easy for someone to look at my life and say that I'm lazy because I'm spending "too much" time on a fun hobby that just happens to result in cooked food.
I hope to come to be more comfortable with cooking over time. That would be an awesome. If not (or until then), then I will be glad I know how to pace/portion myself with convenience foods when we (inevitably) have them.
There are some great options to help you explore cooking as well. One of my favorites right now is a three tier steamer, where you can cook rice, meat, and vegetables all at the same time. Throw them in, set the time, and walk away until it beeps. Another favorite is my slow cooker. Again, throw everything in, set it and walk away. Great for cooking something overnight, or throughout the day and it's ready for supper.
There are also lots of great online supports. I like myfridgefood.com. Tell it what you have available in the house and it will give you recipes from that, there is even a slow cooker option!
Sorry, I love cooking, but don't feel that I have enough time for it because other things take priority as they need to. These are some things that I've found helpful.4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Penthesilea514 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Everyone's balance is going to look a little different. I personally don't think there is a wrong way to do it as long as you're liking what you eat, meeting your goals, and have enough time for the things you need to do and want to do.
I love cooking, I make time for it virtually every day. But as a result, I do less of some other things that other people might find important. It would be easy for someone to look at my life and say that I'm lazy because I'm spending "too much" time on a fun hobby that just happens to result in cooked food.
I hope to come to be more comfortable with cooking over time. That would be an awesome. If not (or until then), then I will be glad I know how to pace/portion myself with convenience foods when we (inevitably) have them.
There are some great options to help you explore cooking as well. One of my favorites right now is a three tier steamer, where you can cook rice, meat, and vegetables all at the same time. Throw them in, set the time, and walk away until it beeps. Another favorite is my slow cooker. Again, throw everything in, set it and walk away. Great for cooking something overnight, or throughout the day and it's ready for supper.
There are also lots of great online supports. I like myfridgefood.com. Tell it what you have available in the house and it will give you recipes from that, there is even a slow cooker option!
Sorry, I love cooking, but don't feel that I have enough time for it because other things take priority as they need to. These are some things that I've found helpful.
I always love to learn more! Thanks for the tips- that steamer sounds pretty awesome.1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:
Awesome. Let me tell you about my typical weekday. Wake at 5:30 am. Spend about 30 minutes with morning routine. 6-6:15 am I check emails that came in overnight from Europe and Asia for work and answer any which are critical. Work out from 6;15 -7:15 am. 7:15-7:30 get my kids (6 and 8 year old boys) up and get them ready for the day (breakfast, make sure they got dressed, brushed teeth, etc, pack lunches for them). 7:30-8am I get ready for work. 8-8:30 I gather everything up for myself (computer, breakfast, lunch) and the kids (backpacks, water bottles, lunches, and the stuff they need for evening activities as well), drive to drop them off at school and then get myself to work by 8:30 or 8:45. I heat my breakfast up (if hot breakfast like a breakfast sandwich or bowl) or eat the yogurt, granola, and fruit I brought from home while I am getting situated in the office. I am in meetings most of the day, and when I do break for lunch, I either have leftovers from a meal that I cooked myself the night before, or I have a frozen meal that I can heat up. I eat at my desk and go for a 30 minute walk at lunch. I work till 5:30 and leave to get my kids by 5:45 or 6pm, then take them to soccer or baseball practice, tutoring, scouts. Sometimes multiple activities in the same night. The whole time I am trying to walk, as well as check more emails on my phone, sometimes calls with Asia while I am at the ball field. We usually get home from the activities by 7:30, at which point I help them with homework (15-30 min) and then have to figure out dinner. Yes, I like to cook and am not bad at it - but on nights like this often hamburger helper with a salad, or a skillet meal, or grilled cheese and tomato soup wins. I get that together while the kids are in the bath, we try to eat around 8pm, and then I spend about an hour putting them to bed and reading to them. By the time I get them in bed it is after 9pm and I have to clean up the kitchen, lay out clothes for the next day, - sometimes if I do want to cook myself a nice meal I do it after they have gone to bed and I eat around 9:30 pm. I spend about an hour just vegging out, watching TV, before getting ready for bed around 10:30, reading for a half hour or so, and finally go to sleep around 11 pm so I can get up and do it all over again.
I can see how that makes me sound lazy.
But thank you for making the point about why my opinion that these foods are a helpful addition to my life is unpopular.
BRA-*kitten*-VO.
Perhaps before assuming someone is lazy, you may consider they may have less time on their hands than you perhaps do.
I don't tend to think people lazy for choosing convenience foods except for cases where I know it's true. But I do think they are often using lack of time as an excuse to eat convenience foods instead of something that might be a little healthier. It doesn't take any longer to bake frozen fish and precut broccoli in the oven than it does a frozen pizza. It doesn't take any longer to make an omelet or stir fry using precut vegetables than it does to make Hamburger Helper.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't eat whatever they want, just saying I rarely buy the "I don't have time" excuse.
Or people have different priorities.
Not sure what priorities has to do with it. Feeding the family seems the priority, but certainly people have different preferences. And nothing wrong with that, as I noted in the last sentence of my post.1
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