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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,503 Member
    tattygun wrote: »
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    SezxyStef wrote: »
    tattygun wrote: »
    The whole notion of 'functional strength' and that compound lifts are the be all and end all.

    Newb's concentrating on only compound lifts and not doing enough to build whats most important...mind muscle connection.

    Dedicating whole workouts to just abs....fkn LOL.

    The notion that a calorie is a calorie, no if one causes me to hold more water then they're not equal when it comes to my goals...which leads me to another...

    Water has just as much as a detrimental effect on the appearance of a physique than fat.

    The stigma attached to PED's...yet it's socially acceptable to take something that literally disables you (alcohol). People wasting time chasing ever dwindling results when they could transform their life, yet they're too scared of the social stigma to do what should be seen as normal.

    People being too reliant on what hey read rather than walking the walk. I will nearly always put more value on the advice of someone who's actually where I want to be, than some skinny fat MFPer clutching a science paper.



    I don't do "accessory" lifts...waste of time IMO...what's the point they don't help me achieve my goals...notice how that can be turned around using your logic

    Calories are a unit of measure and if a carb impacts "YOUR" goal that's one thing but for the majority of people it is a fact...and a calorie is just that...a calorie...but not sure that this is "unpopular" just debated a lot...

    PED's are a personal choice IMO...if you want to pump your body full of those things go ahead...but they are just as dangerous when abused as any other drug...including alcohol...again not that unpopular just those who want to use them vs those who don't are sure they are right.

    As for your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't heed the advice of someone like oh..Arnold? he's not where you want to be...but probably was at some point...

    regardless of if someone now doesn't "look" how you think they should be doesn't mean they don't have good advice...

    I mean I know people who look good...and I wouldn't listen to their drivel ever...

    If creating a stronger mind muscle connection isn't part of your goals when you lift then I don't really know what to say to you, regardless, isolation exercises will achieve just that. Note how I don't say omit compounds.
    But not all people lift to make the mind/muscle connection a part of the goal. Some do it just to be active and keep basic strength up. Not all people are looking to increase mass nor have prominent body parts.
    Why do you mention a carb? Could be anything that causes the water retention. My point is 500 calories of McDonalds will have a more detrimental effect on the appearance of my physique than 500 calories of chicken and rice, regardless if the macro's are the same. IDC that they will both have the same effect on fat levels, I care about water retention too.
    But that doesn't change the fact that a calorie is a calorie. A liter of gas is different than a liter of water, but they are both still a liter. WHAT they do for someone is entirely different.
    The point I'm making about PED's has gone completely over your head. Yes I realise they can be just as dangerous as almost any drug, it's the fact there is a huge social stigma attached to taking them that I take issue with.
    I won't disagree here. The REAL issue with them is when KIDS are illegally taking them just to enhance their sports performance with no actual medical advice.
    It isn't about someone looking how 'I think' they should look. People can look however they want but if you're going to be doling out lifting advice AND telling other people they're wrong then yes, look the part. I'm interested in someone who's put the practical work in and actually lived it rather than geeked out on the theory but not actually gone and put the work in. This forum is a meme at this point for that one. Also again...note how I said I nearly always, not always because of course there are exceptions to the rule but I didn't think I need to put that so clearly...
    Well there are lots and lots of coaches out there who may not have played at a high level in a sport, but intricately know how to coach it. Look at coaching specialists like Hany Rambod. NEVER competed on the professional stage and I would hardly thought he was nothing more than a bro gym lifter based on his physique. You can actually figure out if someone really knows what they are talking about or not on here though.

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    I'm saying though...if you lift, if you do yoga, if you run, basically if you do anything physical with the need to control your body then mind muscle connection SHOULD be an aim. Isolation work will help you achieve that and I feel like on this forum it's seen as the devil and a waste of time...which is entirely wrong.
    You don't need much mind/muscle connection to run. It's a natural movement that needs absolutely minimal training if any at all. You're thinking in terms of perfecting how people workout and many people just don't go that deep into it. Lots of great athletes do well with just reaction and pure talent and don't lift weights or anything else.
    Yes I take your point about Hany, hence why I said in nearly all cases plus I'm not talking about coaches because let's face it Hany HAS walked the walk. His yardstick is champions he's produced, not his own physique. It's the general forum member with limited experience, telling a seasoned gym goer they're wrong using parroted information, that's what i have a problem with.
    But how do you know that general forum member is wrong? There's a biochemical engineers on the forum who denounce how supplements actually work. They may not train like an athlete, but they damn sure know how chemistry actually works. And the reality is if they know how it works in the body, why wouldn't you believe them just because they haven't walked the walk?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    You mention high end coaches, biochemical engineers...not really the point I'm making. The untrained newb, read a few articles, telling someone with a great physique that the way they got there was wrong. It's that lack of humility, the close mindedness. Sure they might not of got there 'optimally' but they're there and they've shown what surely we can both agree is the most important thing in this game...consistency and discipline and that should be respected, whether you choose to take their advice or not.
    Okay this we can agree on.

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,503 Member
    rdridi12 wrote: »
    tattygun wrote: »
    rdridi12 wrote: »
    rdridi12 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    tattygun wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    tattygun wrote: »
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    tattygun wrote: »
    The whole notion of 'functional strength' and that compound lifts are the be all and end all.

    Newb's concentrating on only compound lifts and not doing enough to build whats most important...mind muscle connection.

    Dedicating whole workouts to just abs....fkn LOL.

    The notion that a calorie is a calorie, no if one causes me to hold more water then they're not equal when it comes to my goals...which leads me to another...

    Water has just as much as a detrimental effect on the appearance of a physique than fat.

    The stigma attached to PED's...yet it's socially acceptable to take something that literally disables you (alcohol). People wasting time chasing ever dwindling results when they could transform their life, yet they're too scared of the social stigma to do what should be seen as normal.

    People being too reliant on what hey read rather than walking the walk. I will nearly always put more value on the advice of someone who's actually where I want to be, than some skinny fat MFPer clutching a science paper.



    I don't do "accessory" lifts...waste of time IMO...what's the point they don't help me achieve my goals...notice how that can be turned around using your logic

    Calories are a unit of measure and if a carb impacts "YOUR" goal that's one thing but for the majority of people it is a fact...and a calorie is just that...a calorie...but not sure that this is "unpopular" just debated a lot...

    PED's are a personal choice IMO...if you want to pump your body full of those things go ahead...but they are just as dangerous when abused as any other drug...including alcohol...again not that unpopular just those who want to use them vs those who don't are sure they are right.

    As for your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't heed the advice of someone like oh..Arnold? he's not where you want to be...but probably was at some point...

    regardless of if someone now doesn't "look" how you think they should be doesn't mean they don't have good advice...

    I mean I know people who look good...and I wouldn't listen to their drivel ever...

    If creating a stronger mind muscle connection isn't part of your goals when you lift then I don't really know what to say to you, regardless, isolation exercises will achieve just that. Note how I don't say omit compounds.
    But not all people lift to make the mind/muscle connection a part of the goal. Some do it just to be active and keep basic strength up. Not all people are looking to increase mass nor have prominent body parts.
    Why do you mention a carb? Could be anything that causes the water retention. My point is 500 calories of McDonalds will have a more detrimental effect on the appearance of my physique than 500 calories of chicken and rice, regardless if the macro's are the same. IDC that they will both have the same effect on fat levels, I care about water retention too.
    But that doesn't change the fact that a calorie is a calorie. A liter of gas is different than a liter of water, but they are both still a liter. WHAT they do for someone is entirely different.
    The point I'm making about PED's has gone completely over your head. Yes I realise they can be just as dangerous as almost any drug, it's the fact there is a huge social stigma attached to taking them that I take issue with.
    I won't disagree here. The REAL issue with them is when KIDS are illegally taking them just to enhance their sports performance with no actual medical advice.
    It isn't about someone looking how 'I think' they should look. People can look however they want but if you're going to be doling out lifting advice AND telling other people they're wrong then yes, look the part. I'm interested in someone who's put the practical work in and actually lived it rather than geeked out on the theory but not actually gone and put the work in. This forum is a meme at this point for that one. Also again...note how I said I nearly always, not always because of course there are exceptions to the rule but I didn't think I need to put that so clearly...
    Well there are lots and lots of coaches out there who may not have played at a high level in a sport, but intricately know how to coach it. Look at coaching specialists like Hany Rambod. NEVER competed on the professional stage and I would hardly thought he was nothing more than a bro gym lifter based on his physique. You can actually figure out if someone really knows what they are talking about or not on here though.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png


    I'm saying though...if you lift, if you do yoga, if you run, basically if you do anything physical with the need to control your body then mind muscle connection SHOULD be an aim. Isolation work will help you achieve that and I feel like on this forum it's seen as the devil and a waste of time...which is entirely wrong.
    You don't need much mind/muscle connection to run. It's a natural movement that needs absolutely minimal training if any at all. You're thinking in terms of perfecting how people workout and many people just don't go that deep into it. Lots of great athletes do well with just reaction and pure talent and don't lift weights or anything else.
    Yes I take your point about Hany, hence why I said in nearly all cases plus I'm not talking about coaches because let's face it Hany HAS walked the walk. His yardstick is champions he's produced, not his own physique. It's the general forum member with limited experience, telling a seasoned gym goer they're wrong using parroted information, that's what i have a problem with.
    But how do you know that general forum member is wrong? There's a biochemical engineers on the forum who denounce how supplements actually work. They may not train like an athlete, but they damn sure know how chemistry actually works. And the reality is if they know how it works in the body, why wouldn't you believe them just because they haven't walked the walk?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png



    And you're a trainer genuinely implying that the mind muscle connection is not very important for every movement? Every movement is a "natural movement". The primal movements being push, pull, squat, bend, lunge, twist and yes gait. Just because it's a "natural movement" doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be using the correct muscles to be done most efficiently to prevent injuries.

    You learn using the correct muscles for a movement by doing the movement, not by using each of the involved muscles on its own.


    Thanks bud, I wasn't the one that said that.

    You're the one saying isolation exercises are important for the mind/muscle connection.

    No, I'm the one saying that.

    In fact what I originally said is I don't agree with the notion that compounds are the be all and end all and that I think isolation work is important.

    From my own experience I spent my formative years buying into the compounds only meme. I've spent the last 2 years trying to bring my arms up as they'd become disproportionately small to my torso. Had I incorporated some isolation work in from the beginning I would of had a much more balanced physique. The amount of people I see that REALLY need to do some isolation work on rear delts...well I'd say most people in the gym do.

    Isolation work is not the devil, it's necessary, your shoulders will thank you and that's one of my seemingly unpopular opinions!


    Hahah I am in the same boat! Arms will not grow proportionaly, still working on that contraction, back and chest, no problem, bi's and sometimes tri's, majorrrrr struggle.

    Might be from being and athlete and being more concerned with power and strength, never learned how to contract specific muscles until trying now when it's disproportionate. No clue though, still don't just think it's genetics though, I just feel like there's some mental piece I am missing.
    You do what you gotta do, but there are lots of bodybuilders out there who do everything they can to add mass to a body part and have trouble even with "help". Genetics does matter to an extent.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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  • Macy9336
    Macy9336 Posts: 694 Member
    3bambi3 wrote: »
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    SezxyStef wrote: »
    Macy9336 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Macy9336 wrote: »
    I believe fast food is toxic and should only be eaten if last/only food on the planet. Very unpopular view here on MFP.
    Well because it has no scientific proof that it is. It's an opinion of yours and that's not proof.

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    Since the thread is asking for "unpopular opinions" nothing wrong with me expressing one of my "unpopular opinions." As for scientific proof, there is a lot of proof out there that fast food is "not good." So makes you go hmmmm.if it's not good, then what is it? What is the opposite of good, Elmo? Let's watch some Sesame Street and learn what "not good" means together.

    it's also been proved that by eating just fast food you can do the following:

    1. Lose weight
    2. lower blood pressure
    3. lower cholesterol numbers
    4. meet required macros even surpass RDA Min.

    All this from eating just fast food...sounds "good" to me.

    The "not good" is the excess fast food...large sized this...large sized that.

    No those things have not been proven at all. In fact the opposite has been proven. You're just pulling my leg. If you really believe that, well then, I guess ignorance is truly bliss. Enjoy your deep fried cancer sticks.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/teacher-who-ate-mcdonalds-90-6654329

    Ahhhh the Mirror...best peer reviewed scientific journal on the planet. Wasn't this the issue that had Kate Middleton topless?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10

    Guess you didn't read the article.

    Here's a more respectable journal

    It's a business rag, not even a scientific journal. Besides, even if it us true this one man lost weight (#1 only) eating only McDonalds doesn't mean he did it eating only fast food as McDonalds sells non fast food ( i.e. Salads, carrot sticks, etc) as well as fast food. Secondly, a sample size of one is too small to be statistically significant. No actual scientific study can publish with n=1.

    How is a burger from McDonalds fast food, but a salad from McDonalds isn't fast food?

    How is a salad, carrot stick, apple slices fast food? I guess we have different definitions of fast food then.
  • Macy9336
    Macy9336 Posts: 694 Member
    Well I was asked what carcinogens are in fast food and other stuff....but I reiterate...it is my opinion that fast food is toxic and should only be eaten if the last food on the planet. I guess I was right too about it being an unpopular opinion here on MFP so of course most of you are going to disagree. As I said before, enjoy your deep fried cancer sticks :) ( hint deep fried = creation of carcinogens)
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,268 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    My unpopular opinions. Yeah, I know they are unpopular. LOL I'm not debating them.

    I don't think many can achieve weight loss goals without a healthy diet. And I am pretty sure maintenance is extremely hard if changes have not been made. I doubt there are many living in a newly slim body for many years who just ate a few hundred calories less of everything per day - they are a minority, IMO.

    I think counting exact calories can be a waste of time. Health, daily living, and your food choices are going to affect your caloric needs by a lot. I've lost, maintained and gained all at the same caloric intake. Calculating a deficit and eating exactly that is no guarantee of weight loss.

    I think My Plate and the food pyramid is based on very little scientific theory and should be dumped.

    I think a majority of people would see their health improve, and not decline, if they eliminated refined carbs and added sugars.

    I think people with metabolic disease (T2D, PCOS, NAFLD, CAD), or at risk of metabolic disease, would benefit by switching to a LCHF diet. Unfortunately, this now appears to be the majority of North Americans.

    I think fat and salt restrictions for the vast majority of people are pointless and may be unhealthy.

    I think some exercise is great, but many end up paying for too much exercise as they get older. Competitive sports are fun but not many get through that without lingering injuries as they age.

    I think there is something in refined carbs and sugars that makes them addictive-like for many people, and I find it annoying when their experiences are "poo-poo'ed" as not real, poor will power, or just a mental/behavioral thing.

    I think diet plays a much greater part in people's health than most believe, and I think it's hard for people to believe that until their own health takes a decline. I think it is probably wise to avoid man-made ingredients and some sweeteners, and I think orgaincs, heirloom, and free range foods are better for you.

    I think large parts of paleo and primal diets make a lot of sense.

    I think if you need to eat every 2-3 hours, you are eating the wrong foods.


    I think a carnivorous diet can be very healthy.

    I think the diets recommended by most diabetic associations are shockingly bad for most diabetics.

    I think BPC tastes really good.
    If anything, I'm sure this thread has been cathartic for many people. It feels good to get stuff off your chest :+1::smiley:

    Yeah, that felt good. :);)

    things crossed out have been proven to be true on a scientific level...smh.
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