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My local supermarket recently had significant renovations. The details of all this are long and boring, but in the process, they made it far more difficult to access as a pedestrian, and I recently assisted another customer to help an elderly lady who'd fallen at the place in question.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I am extremely confused by purposely making food not taste good because "it's fuel". Or maybe the argument is the old parent argument of "poor children in Africa can't enjoy their food so you aren't allowed to either"?
So am I, who stated that?
What is your point?
I will agree that you're not explicitly against food tasting good, but you seem to have an issue with people enjoying it. It would follow, logically, that part of enjoying food is enjoying how it tastes.
You seem to have very black or white thinking on this issue. Reading between the lines of what you posted, it's almost as if it's not okay in your books for fat people to enjoy food for pleasure because they're fat.
Why?
Why can't food be good, and pleasurable and still within the realm of someone's correct energy balance?
I think your cut-and-dried, rather dull "food is fuel" and your initial point was that maybe fat people should remove emotions from eating as... what? Punishment for being fat? OR is that your solution to the obesity crisis?
Whatever you're doing, I don't think people who ignore the nuances of humankind's relationship with food have a balanced relationship with it. Food as fuel is just one aspect.
You might want to do some soul searching.
There are millions of people with a destructive, dysfunctional relationship with food - I will leave the deep soul searching to them, and not waste a moment of my time dissecting something that I do actually enjoy and is giving me great results. I'm former military and I think that there is a disconnect between my perception of discipline and delayed gratification and the mindset of others.
You're right. If you use the search function for these forums and search for emotional eating and stress eating (IMO just a subset of emotional eating) you will get 1,000 hits (which is apparently the max) for each of them.
The emotional ties to food surely are resulting in weight issues.
For some people.
Not all.
This is besides the original point, but you two are too busy back-patting each other to realize that you've strayed from it.
OR..
Are you deflecting from the original point BryLander made about the "epidemic" of emotional eating and the need to diminish the prevalence of eating for pleasure?
So emotional eating isn't an epidemic? So what is your theory on why so many people are overweight, did 68.8% of the people in the US just spontaneously get fat?
They don't move and eat too many calories
Surely not the only reason, but couldn't emotional eating be the reason some of the overweight and obese eat too many calories?
Some != "epidemic"
Because we live in a very fast paced and lazy society. And fattening foods are so easily and quickly available...... oh and the advertiaing we are subjected to.
Not so much lazy as convenience oriented. it's easier to drive than to walk, even if walking isn't that inconvenient.
But it depends... It's harder in a city like New York or LA where parking is a premium. and its observable that folks in cities where walking is easier... walk more.
I live in the suburbs, where even things that are close by are easier to drive to, because even though they're less than a 10 minute walk away, they involve crossing a six-lane highway to get to them. It drives me crazy every time I drive to the grocery store when I know I could walk there quickly, but I'm not crazy enough to try crossing that road with the way I've seen the people who do try to walk almost get hit by cars.
Suburbia is only made for purposeful exercise, unfortunately. I make sure I get it.
I walk there anyway, and don't cross at the dangerous designated crossing point, and every day I look at the alterations and think, "What the hell?" It is clear that someone significant in the design process hasn't had to cross, a busy road for years.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Is a Greek yoghurt sandwich exactly what it sounds like?
Oh it's how we've always traditionally eaten greek yogurt: plain, full fat, savory, salted and with bread. More like a spread or a dip than something you eat with a spoon. Usually with olive oil and sometimes with deli and tomato or some other enhancers in the sandwich.
ETA: Google "Labneh".
i love labneh! with some sliced cucumbers and red onions and black pepper that sounds amazing.
Duly noted for my cuke issues...:)
Mom used to make me "cucumber boats" with it. Slice in half lengthwise, spoon out some of the center, fill with a mix of labneh and mint.
Are the any dishes where labneh is eaten with cooked vegetables? My IBS doesn't get along well with raw veggies. I'd like some ideas to build a meal around it.
Not traditionally, but it should be okay to eat with something cooked. We sometimes make a dip for chips by adding garlic, herbs, and sometimes crushed walnuts. If you want a Middle Eastern twist add "Zaatar" to it. Anything you would use sour cream or ranch with should work, as it has this same sour profile. Things where you would use yogurt should also work, it is just lightly salted strained yogurt after all. I've even seen some get creative using it in mock white sauce, puff pastry filling, tarts, and eggplant rollatini. You may be able to use it where you would use cream cheese or ricotta, but be careful if using it in hot liquid, it can curdle.1 -
Apparently believing frozen meals like Lean Cuisine or Healthy Choice are NOT high in sodium is an unpopular opinion. Do you consider 23-24% of your daily intake high in sodium? I don't. It's one meal. 1/3 of my day.10
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The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.
Based upon this thread alone, I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. Reading most of the other threads on MFP would only strengthen that stance. MFP users, as a whole, are just as enraptured with woo, fearmongering and pseudoscience as the uneducated lay person. Cleanses/detoxes. Juice fasts. Apple cider vinegar. Green tea. MLM scams. Sugar/carb demonization. The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF. Military diet. Gaining slabs of muscle while eating 1000 calories of lettuce and doing 4 hours of cardio per day. Et cetera ad nauseum.
I will, however, agree with the above if we establish "minimum foundation" as being on a level with the derpy weight loss/diet articles found in magazines and the garbage in Netflix "documentaries".8 -
The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.
Based upon this thread alone, I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. Reading most of the other threads on MFP would only strengthen that stance. MFP users, as a whole, are just as enraptured with woo, fearmongering and pseudoscience as the uneducated lay person. Cleanses/detoxes. Juice fasts. Apple cider vinegar. Green tea. MLM scams. Sugar/carb demonization. The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF. Military diet. Gaining slabs of muscle while eating 1000 calories of lettuce and doing 4 hours of cardio per day. Et cetera ad nauseum.
I will, however, agree with the above if we establish "minimum foundation" as being on a level with the derpy weight loss/diet articles found in magazines and the garbage in Netflix "documentaries".
...shall we say, "MFP users who have made it past their first 200 posts?" ...we can usually crowd-source the woo out of them by then.
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Between "The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF" and "crowd-source the woo out of them" I am dead.
Y'all just made my day. 6 -
The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.
Based upon this thread alone, I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. Reading most of the other threads on MFP would only strengthen that stance. MFP users, as a whole, are just as enraptured with woo, fearmongering and pseudoscience as the uneducated lay person. Cleanses/detoxes. Juice fasts. Apple cider vinegar. Green tea. MLM scams. Sugar/carb demonization. The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF. Military diet. Gaining slabs of muscle while eating 1000 calories of lettuce and doing 4 hours of cardio per day. Et cetera ad nauseum.
I will, however, agree with the above if we establish "minimum foundation" as being on a level with the derpy weight loss/diet articles found in magazines and the garbage in Netflix "documentaries".
Yeah I think @CSARDiver you are being a little too generous with that foundational knowledge for average MFP user statement (or maybe I have just grown more cynical, its hard to tell these days).1 -
cmriverside wrote: »The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.
Based upon this thread alone, I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. Reading most of the other threads on MFP would only strengthen that stance. MFP users, as a whole, are just as enraptured with woo, fearmongering and pseudoscience as the uneducated lay person. Cleanses/detoxes. Juice fasts. Apple cider vinegar. Green tea. MLM scams. Sugar/carb demonization. The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF. Military diet. Gaining slabs of muscle while eating 1000 calories of lettuce and doing 4 hours of cardio per day. Et cetera ad nauseum.
I will, however, agree with the above if we establish "minimum foundation" as being on a level with the derpy weight loss/diet articles found in magazines and the garbage in Netflix "documentaries".
...shall we say, "MFP users who have made it past their first 200 posts?" ...we can usually crowd-source the woo out of them by then.
...unless they got their 200 posts in ChitChat.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Apparently believing frozen meals like Lean Cuisine or Healthy Choice are NOT high in sodium is an unpopular opinion. Do you consider 23-24% of your daily intake high in sodium? I don't. It's one meal. 1/3 of my day.
But is it 1/3 of your daily calories?1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.
Based upon this thread alone, I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. Reading most of the other threads on MFP would only strengthen that stance. MFP users, as a whole, are just as enraptured with woo, fearmongering and pseudoscience as the uneducated lay person. Cleanses/detoxes. Juice fasts. Apple cider vinegar. Green tea. MLM scams. Sugar/carb demonization. The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF. Military diet. Gaining slabs of muscle while eating 1000 calories of lettuce and doing 4 hours of cardio per day. Et cetera ad nauseum.
I will, however, agree with the above if we establish "minimum foundation" as being on a level with the derpy weight loss/diet articles found in magazines and the garbage in Netflix "documentaries".
...shall we say, "MFP users who have made it past their first 200 posts?" ...we can usually crowd-source the woo out of them by then.
...unless they got their 200 posts in ChitChat.
Ugh. I forgot about Chit Chat.1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Mom used to make me "cucumber boats" with it. Slice in half lengthwise, spoon out some of the center, fill with a mix of labneh and mint.
Only cucumber boats I ever made were when I was really little. Grandma helped us make them and we floated them in the water trough inside the pumphouse on Grandpa's farm.
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stanmann571 wrote: »kristen8000 wrote: »
I don't believe you can be obese and healthy.
The man in the picture under my name was obese when that photo was taken.
Ok, maybe I didn't word that right. I realize that people can be considered obese and be WAY healthier than me, but what I meant was you can't be overfat and still be healthy. Sorry - I guess i needed to clear that up.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Apparently believing frozen meals like Lean Cuisine or Healthy Choice are NOT high in sodium is an unpopular opinion. Do you consider 23-24% of your daily intake high in sodium? I don't. It's one meal. 1/3 of my day.
But is it 1/3 of your daily calories?
Usually pretty close on the days I eat one.0 -
kristen8000 wrote: »
I work out for beer wine. I walk longer for beer wine. I may even skip a meal for beer wine. Deal with it.
FIFM
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Apparently believing frozen meals like Lean Cuisine or Healthy Choice are NOT high in sodium is an unpopular opinion. Do you consider 23-24% of your daily intake high in sodium? I don't. It's one meal. 1/3 of my day.
But is it 1/3 of your daily calories?
That's usually the meaning of "1/3 of my day".4 -
The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.
Based upon this thread alone, I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. Reading most of the other threads on MFP would only strengthen that stance. MFP users, as a whole, are just as enraptured with woo, fearmongering and pseudoscience as the uneducated lay person. Cleanses/detoxes. Juice fasts. Apple cider vinegar. Green tea. MLM scams. Sugar/carb demonization. The magickal, miraculous wizardries of keto and IF. Military diet. Gaining slabs of muscle while eating 1000 calories of lettuce and doing 4 hours of cardio per day. Et cetera ad nauseum.
I will, however, agree with the above if we establish "minimum foundation" as being on a level with the derpy weight loss/diet articles found in magazines and the garbage in Netflix "documentaries".
Chalk that comment up to personal bias and the time I spend in the forums. I would agree with your assessment of the average MFP user. Those who spend time in the forums and have an open mind have slowly been de-wooed, but it is a long process for many. The allure of misinformation is often difficult to compete with.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Apparently believing frozen meals like Lean Cuisine or Healthy Choice are NOT high in sodium is an unpopular opinion. Do you consider 23-24% of your daily intake high in sodium? I don't. It's one meal. 1/3 of my day.
But is it 1/3 of your daily calories?
Usually pretty close on the days I eat one.
Wow, really? Aren't they all still 300 calories or less?2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Apparently believing frozen meals like Lean Cuisine or Healthy Choice are NOT high in sodium is an unpopular opinion. Do you consider 23-24% of your daily intake high in sodium? I don't. It's one meal. 1/3 of my day.
But is it 1/3 of your daily calories?
Usually pretty close on the days I eat one.
Wow, really? Aren't they all still 300 calories or less?
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I don't know about anyone else, but I don't evenly space my calories out among my meals. My lunch is significantly smaller than my dinner, and I only have tea for "breakfast".
It's entirely possible to consume a Lean Cuisine without considering it high sodium and consume less sodium at another meal.
Why is this point being argued?5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know about anyone else, but I don't evenly space my calories out among my meals. My lunch is significantly smaller than my dinner, and I only have tea for "breakfast".
It's entirely possible to consume a Lean Cuisine without considering it high sodium and consume less sodium at another meal.
Why is this point being argued?
I do the same. Just tea for breakfast and dinner is typically 4x or more the calorie of lunch.0
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