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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?

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  • savannahbanks7315
    savannahbanks7315 Posts: 1 Member
    I don't believe exercise helps longevity.
    But please argue with me!
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Okay, derailing with human evolution stuff again, cos this is pretty cool! And it does mention scavenging and hunting, so, y'know, kind of diet related...

    https://youtu.be/nrcK0tGTrQ8
  • susanmc31
    susanmc31 Posts: 287 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »

    For what it's worth, my PhD dissertation was partly on the mechanics of carbohydrate metabolism. I also poured through the literature, on more than one occasion as it's been a long interest of mine over my 20 years of laboratory research, and I have also been unable to find any real evidence that any diet abrogates or advantages cico. I am of the professional opinion that forcing yourself into ketosis long term is playing biological roulette, and hold deep disagreement with the scientists who advocate for it (and there aren't many who don't also have major self - interest in the diet promotion).

    I'm also not convinced by the scientists who claim long term very low calorie diets are sustainable, and actually believe several of the labs doing this work engage in coercive and cult-like control of the graduate students, having met these people and say through their presentations. Further, they present a severe moral and ethical hazard which makes trusting their spurious claims much more difficult.

    I realize here I'm just another person on the net, but I feel very strongly this is something not confronted enough because of the way in which professional scientists interact.

    As to the bolded, I have a friend who is deep into this product called Keto//OS which is a drink that allegedly puts you into ketosis everyday without eating a keto diet. I've tried looking up studies to see if exogenous ketones are safe and so far there doesn't seem to be anything (I will admit, I don't always know how to dissect studies). The thought of ingesting something that the body expels when you are sick (diabetic ketoacidosis comes to mind) just seems potentially hazardous. I do know that keto diets are used in cases of patients with severe epilepsy that is resistant to medication. I guess, what I am trying to say, is more research needs to be done.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    savannahbanks7315 wrote: »
    I don't believe exercise helps longevity.
    But please argue with me!

    Can you clarify? You don't think fitness (which is created by exercise) helps people live longer?
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    susanmc31 wrote: »
    tomteboda wrote: »

    For what it's worth, my PhD dissertation was partly on the mechanics of carbohydrate metabolism. I also poured through the literature, on more than one occasion as it's been a long interest of mine over my 20 years of laboratory research, and I have also been unable to find any real evidence that any diet abrogates or advantages cico. I am of the professional opinion that forcing yourself into ketosis long term is playing biological roulette, and hold deep disagreement with the scientists who advocate for it (and there aren't many who don't also have major self - interest in the diet promotion).

    I'm also not convinced by the scientists who claim long term very low calorie diets are sustainable, and actually believe several of the labs doing this work engage in coercive and cult-like control of the graduate students, having met these people and say through their presentations. Further, they present a severe moral and ethical hazard which makes trusting their spurious claims much more difficult.

    I realize here I'm just another person on the net, but I feel very strongly this is something not confronted enough because of the way in which professional scientists interact.

    As to the bolded, I have a friend who is deep into this product called Keto//OS which is a drink that allegedly puts you into ketosis everyday without eating a keto diet. I've tried looking up studies to see if exogenous ketones are safe and so far there doesn't seem to be anything (I will admit, I don't always know how to dissect studies). The thought of ingesting something that the body expels when you are sick (diabetic ketoacidosis comes to mind) just seems potentially hazardous. I do know that keto diets are used in cases of patients with severe epilepsy that is resistant to medication. I guess, what I am trying to say, is more research needs to be done.

    not that I am a fan of Keto diet but diabetic ketoacidosis is different
  • jseams1234
    jseams1234 Posts: 1,219 Member
    savannahbanks7315 wrote: »
    I don't believe exercise helps longevity.
    But please argue with me!

    I'm guessing you hate to exercise? ;)
  • susanmc31
    susanmc31 Posts: 287 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    susanmc31 wrote: »
    tomteboda wrote: »

    For what it's worth, my PhD dissertation was partly on the mechanics of carbohydrate metabolism. I also poured through the literature, on more than one occasion as it's been a long interest of mine over my 20 years of laboratory research, and I have also been unable to find any real evidence that any diet abrogates or advantages cico. I am of the professional opinion that forcing yourself into ketosis long term is playing biological roulette, and hold deep disagreement with the scientists who advocate for it (and there aren't many who don't also have major self - interest in the diet promotion).

    I'm also not convinced by the scientists who claim long term very low calorie diets are sustainable, and actually believe several of the labs doing this work engage in coercive and cult-like control of the graduate students, having met these people and say through their presentations. Further, they present a severe moral and ethical hazard which makes trusting their spurious claims much more difficult.

    I realize here I'm just another person on the net, but I feel very strongly this is something not confronted enough because of the way in which professional scientists interact.

    As to the bolded, I have a friend who is deep into this product called Keto//OS which is a drink that allegedly puts you into ketosis everyday without eating a keto diet. I've tried looking up studies to see if exogenous ketones are safe and so far there doesn't seem to be anything (I will admit, I don't always know how to dissect studies). The thought of ingesting something that the body expels when you are sick (diabetic ketoacidosis comes to mind) just seems potentially hazardous. I do know that keto diets are used in cases of patients with severe epilepsy that is resistant to medication. I guess, what I am trying to say, is more research needs to be done.

    not that I am a fan of Keto diet but diabetic ketoacidosis is different

    Yes, you are right.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,403 Member
    savannahbanks7315 wrote: »
    I don't believe exercise helps longevity.
    But please argue with me!

    :lol:

    Strong first post. Welcome to the debate section.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    I just want to be able to get myself on and off the toilet for as long as possible. Squat to keep independently pooping, people! Getting yourself dressed is pretty great too.

    Do this exercise it will help:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0_DoicHg2E
  • Mysterious_Dreamer
    Mysterious_Dreamer Posts: 66 Member
    WayTooHonest wrote: »
    826_Midazaslam wrote: »
    Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.

    Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.

    Or have pcos...
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Mysterious_Dreamer wrote: »
    WayTooHonest wrote: »
    826_Midazaslam wrote: »
    Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.

    Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.

    Or have pcos...

    @GottaBurnEmAll has a thing or two to say about that I imagine.
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,189 Member
    Andy10725 wrote: »
    I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.

    How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Andy10725 wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    Andy10725 wrote: »
    I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.

    How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
    Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.

    You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    WayTooHonest wrote: »
    826_Midazaslam wrote: »
    Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.

    Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.

    I found weight loss to be much easier after I hit menopause.

    Oh boy I sure didn't. Fat loss was the same but weight loss was a whole new ballgame for me.
  • wmd1979
    wmd1979 Posts: 469 Member
    Andy10725 wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    Andy10725 wrote: »
    I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.

    How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
    Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.

    Too much of anything is bad for you. How is drinking non diet soda(which you suggested people should "man up" and drink) any better for you? You can't make the claim that diet soda is worse with no data to back it up and expect anyone here to not say anything. This is the same unsubstantiated and uneducated claim that gets made all of the time around here and I have yet to see a single person successfully defend that position.
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