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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
That is one of the most vague definitions I've ever seen. What is "a lot"? That's going to be different for you than it is for me. If I regularly eat 2000 calories of salad, does that make salad fattening? In general? Cause fattening does not mean "I tend to overeat it", it means "It makes you (the general you) fat", but you (the specific you) have to overeat it for it to make you fat, and not just once or twice but all the time to be determined to be responsible for you gaining weight.9 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I am extremely confused by purposely making food not taste good because "it's fuel". Or maybe the argument is the old parent argument of "poor children in Africa can't enjoy their food so you aren't allowed to either"?
So am I, who stated that?
What is your point?
I will agree that you're not explicitly against food tasting good, but you seem to have an issue with people enjoying it. It would follow, logically, that part of enjoying food is enjoying how it tastes.
You seem to have very black or white thinking on this issue. Reading between the lines of what you posted, it's almost as if it's not okay in your books for fat people to enjoy food for pleasure because they're fat.
Why?
Why can't food be good, and pleasurable and still within the realm of someone's correct energy balance?
I think your cut-and-dried, rather dull "food is fuel" and your initial point was that maybe fat people should remove emotions from eating as... what? Punishment for being fat? OR is that your solution to the obesity crisis?
Whatever you're doing, I don't think people who ignore the nuances of humankind's relationship with food have a balanced relationship with it. Food as fuel is just one aspect.
You might want to do some soul searching.
There are millions of people with a destructive, dysfunctional relationship with food - I will leave the deep soul searching to them, and not waste a moment of my time dissecting something that I do actually enjoy and is giving me great results. I'm former military and I think that there is a disconnect between my perception of discipline and delayed gratification and the mindset of others.
You're right. If you use the search function for these forums and search for emotional eating and stress eating (IMO just a subset of emotional eating) you will get 1,000 hits (which is apparently the max) for each of them.
The emotional ties to food surely are resulting in weight issues.
For some people.
Not all.
This is besides the original point, but you two are too busy back-patting each other to realize that you've strayed from it.
OR..
Are you deflecting from the original point BryLander made about the "epidemic" of emotional eating and the need to diminish the prevalence of eating for pleasure?
So emotional eating isn't an epidemic? So what is your theory on why so many people are overweight, did 68.8% of the people in the US just spontaneously get fat?
They don't move and eat too many calories
That's one "Why"
Ask Why 4 more times and we'll start to get to the root causes of obesity.9 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I am extremely confused by purposely making food not taste good because "it's fuel". Or maybe the argument is the old parent argument of "poor children in Africa can't enjoy their food so you aren't allowed to either"?
So am I, who stated that?
What is your point?
I will agree that you're not explicitly against food tasting good, but you seem to have an issue with people enjoying it. It would follow, logically, that part of enjoying food is enjoying how it tastes.
You seem to have very black or white thinking on this issue. Reading between the lines of what you posted, it's almost as if it's not okay in your books for fat people to enjoy food for pleasure because they're fat.
Why?
Why can't food be good, and pleasurable and still within the realm of someone's correct energy balance?
I think your cut-and-dried, rather dull "food is fuel" and your initial point was that maybe fat people should remove emotions from eating as... what? Punishment for being fat? OR is that your solution to the obesity crisis?
Whatever you're doing, I don't think people who ignore the nuances of humankind's relationship with food have a balanced relationship with it. Food as fuel is just one aspect.
You might want to do some soul searching.
There are millions of people with a destructive, dysfunctional relationship with food - I will leave the deep soul searching to them, and not waste a moment of my time dissecting something that I do actually enjoy and is giving me great results. I'm former military and I think that there is a disconnect between my perception of discipline and delayed gratification and the mindset of others.
You're right. If you use the search function for these forums and search for emotional eating and stress eating (IMO just a subset of emotional eating) you will get 1,000 hits (which is apparently the max) for each of them.
The emotional ties to food surely are resulting in weight issues.
For some people.
Not all.
This is besides the original point, but you two are too busy back-patting each other to realize that you've strayed from it.
OR..
Are you deflecting from the original point BryLander made about the "epidemic" of emotional eating and the need to diminish the prevalence of eating for pleasure?
So emotional eating isn't an epidemic? So what is your theory on why so many people are overweight, did 68.8% of the people in the US just spontaneously get fat?
They don't move and eat too many calories
That's one "Why"
Ask Why 4 more times and we'll start to get to the root causes of obesity.
Industrial and technological revolutions?
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sophie9492015 wrote: »Nice article, but the power of advertising is still very strong otherwise they wouldnt spend millions of dollars on it. We are however becoming much less susceptible to advertising like billboards and posters.. have a think about what advertisement billboard or sign you remember seeing today? Not many.
Other forms of advertisements are booming though.
The military spends millions of dollars every year on things they think might be worthwhile. Most isn't. There's lots of fun articles about that, from researching frisbee handgrenades to psychokinetic powers.
A lot of that is throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.8 -
sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.
Too bad the meaning doesn't make any sense. If you take the definition you posted by the letter, literally everything with calories is fattening, because it can make you gain weight if you eat "a lot" of it.
It's making a general statement (this food as a whole is fattening) about something individual (you in particular have to overeat it long term for it to happen). It's a bad definition.13 -
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foods in general are not "fattening"
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sophie9492015 wrote: »
foods in general are not "fattening"
Right there.
lol...this doesn't say there is no such thing as fattening...it says food in general is not fattening.
It's not...the quantity of the food is fattening.
Just doesn't get it...might have to give up...and let ignorance prevail.stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.
Too bad the meaning doesn't make any sense. If you take the definition you posted by the letter, literally everything with calories is fattening, because it can make you gain weight if you eat "a lot" of it.
It's making a general statement (this food as a whole is fattening) about something individual (you in particular have to overeat it long term for it to happen). It's a bad definition.
then there is this...6 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.
Too bad the meaning doesn't make any sense. If you take the definition you posted by the letter, literally everything with calories is fattening, because it can make you gain weight if you eat "a lot" of it.
It's making a general statement (this food as a whole is fattening) about something individual (you in particular have to overeat it long term for it to happen). It's a bad definition.
Thank you!! Yes, its not a precise definition.. but i didnt post that. usually with a little common sense its not that hard to understand. Lol3 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.
Too bad the meaning doesn't make any sense. If you take the definition you posted by the letter, literally everything with calories is fattening, because it can make you gain weight if you eat "a lot" of it.
It's making a general statement (this food as a whole is fattening) about something individual (you in particular have to overeat it long term for it to happen). It's a bad definition.
Exactly. Also, by this definition a food could be fattening for one person, but not for another. It would be dependant on their maintenance levels. A 1500 calorie meal may be able to fit into my overall calorie goals for the day, but I know for a lot of people around here it would put them well over.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.
Too bad the meaning doesn't make any sense. If you take the definition you posted by the letter, literally everything with calories is fattening, because it can make you gain weight if you eat "a lot" of it.
It's making a general statement (this food as a whole is fattening) about something individual (you in particular have to overeat it long term for it to happen). It's a bad definition.
Exactly. Also, by this definition a food could be fattening for one person, but not for another. It would be dependant on their maintenance levels. A 1500 calorie meal may be able to fit into my overall calorie goals for the day, but I know for a lot of people around here it would put them well over.
Most people would be well over if they ate the sort of foods we mean my fattening eg high calories.. that is why they are fattening. Jeesus christ.
Also.. it is way past bedtime in Australia, so goodnight.6 -
I've never really rated cambridge dictionaries.
I think that in general parlance, everyone knows what "fattening" as an adjective means. It's inherently comparative; to say something is fattening is to say it will contribute to form fat deposits more effectively than the alternatives. Yes, you could get fat on salad. It wouldn't be a very effective method though.
If you were a doctor faced with an underweight toddler who needed to put more fat on, you'd be a pretty kitten doctor if you told the parents to give the toddler lots of salad, or even "lots of food". You'd be recommending calorie-dense foods, that packed "lots" into small, child-size portions.
Anyway, here's the OED's definition.
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sophie9492015 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
No, you'd think so but no.. they rekon KFC isnt fattening.
Well to be fair KFC is a fast food restaurant and not a food. There are foods that are fattening at KFC but there are also foods that are not fattening. Same with saying things like pizza is fattening (some are and some are not) and salad is not fattening (some are and some are not).
Meat lovers pan pizza is fattening. Thin crust veggie pizza light on oil and cheese may not be fattening. Salad drowned in creamy ranch dressing and cheese with bacon crumbles is fattening. A salad of leafy vegetables and lean chicken wo cheese and lightly dressed with vinaigrette would not be fattening.
This is why I say it's and argument of semantics. Too many assumptions are being made.
Well of course! 100%. But! The high calorie options are... fattening!
But to say that there is no such thing as fattening is *kitten*.
I agree. Words have meanings and fattening is a word.
Too bad the meaning doesn't make any sense. If you take the definition you posted by the letter, literally everything with calories is fattening, because it can make you gain weight if you eat "a lot" of it.
It's making a general statement (this food as a whole is fattening) about something individual (you in particular have to overeat it long term for it to happen). It's a bad definition.
Exactly. Also, by this definition a food could be fattening for one person, but not for another. It would be dependant on their maintenance levels. A 1500 calorie meal may be able to fit into my overall calorie goals for the day, but I know for a lot of people around here it would put them well over.
Most people would be well over if they ate the sort of foods we mean my fattening eg high calories.. that is why they are fattening. Jeesus christ.
Also.. it is way past bedtime in Australia, so goodnight.
But you haven't even defined what fattening is. How high do the calories have to be in a food to be fattening in your opinion? That 1500 calorie meal is not fattening to me because I still stick to my maintenance level. There are people out there eating salad and chicken(examples you gave) and going over their maintenance level and becoming fat. So does that mean I am eating fattening food and they are not? It isn't the food, it is the choices made with food that determines whether something is fattening.4 -
I'm sure you meant to post the OED definition to strengthen the point of it being a perfectly fine word. The fact that they use a reference from an 1800's medical textbook isn't filling me with confidence as to the validity of the word.7
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stevencloser wrote: »I'm sure you meant to post the OED definition to strengthen the point of it being a perfectly fine word. The fact that they use a reference from an 1800's medical textbook isn't filling me with confidence as to the validity of the word.
That pretty much invalidates every word in the OED and therefore the English language!
Those references aren't there as citations in the standard, as stated by Nuffield, in the publication Broscience Nonsense, issue 38, 2001 sense.
The OED always quotes the earliest recorded usages of words, to demonstrate how long the word has been in use for the etymologists amongst us. (Or people just trying to write historically accurate fiction.) It's kind of its selling point for a subscription.
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This is a screenshot for valid.
Important point. The OED aims to record and describe use of words, and this is what I am doing myself. I am not saying what "fattening" SHOULD mean; I have describes what I think it means in general use.
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stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.sophie9492015 wrote: »Also the majority of people don't count their calories therefore eating more "fattening" foods like pizza and KFC will make most people gain weight. Therefore generally they are fattening.
Thats why we have such a big problem with obesity because these foods are so readily available and heavily advertised.
you really don't get it do you....
food itself is not fattening. Period end of discussion.
The Quantity aka amount, total volume of the food eaten is what is causing the weight gain.
I can eat appx 10-15 plain cake dunkin donuts a day and still lose weight...each donut is 160 calories..
As well eating more of any food will make you gain weight it doesn't have to be KFC or Pizza...there is nothing wrong with either of those things...
There is a problem in NA with obesity because of lack of education about nutrition and how to maintain or lose weight and your posts are proving that point quite nicely..thanks you.
Isn't this just an argument in semantics?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fattening
fattening
adjective us /ˈfæt·ən·ɪŋ/
(of food) containing a lot of fat, sugar, etc., that would make you fatter if you ate a lot of it:
Sure, you could probably eat enough of any food to get fatter (though honestly that is arguable) but I think most people know what someone means when they say "fattening". It's almost always calorie dense and nutrient poor.
That is one of the most vague definitions I've ever seen. What is "a lot"? That's going to be different for you than it is for me. If I regularly eat 2000 calories of salad, does that make salad fattening? In general? Cause fattening does not mean "I tend to overeat it", it means "It makes you (the general you) fat", but you (the specific you) have to overeat it for it to make you fat, and not just once or twice but all the time to be determined to be responsible for you gaining weight.
It is vague as many words are. And by definition (
) "a lot" is a relative term. I still maintain we arguing semantics and that most, if not all, of us know what is/was meant. 5 -
The difficulty is that we are attempting to interpret the meaning of a term "fattening" to multiple communities.
One being the lay person - those generally ignorant of the issues surrounding weight management.
The other being the average MFP user - while many may disagree on the particulars there is a minimum foundation of the variables impacting weight management.
Having this foundational knowledge does lead one to challenge so called "established" thinking and makes terms such as fattening very situational dependent. There is a great deal of bias in this as the majority of MFP users are more focused on deficit; however this term is going to have a different meaning to those focusing on gaining.5 -
sophie9492015 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »sophie9492015 wrote: »Yes you can certainly argue that all foods can be fattening but you'd have to eat a shitload more chicken and salad than doughnuts to gain weight.
Depends on how much dressing (and what kind) is on that salad.
I agree that if you cook at home and make chicken (even with skin and bones, like I normally do) and salad it's easier to control calories than if you are eating lots of inherently calorie-dense foods, but people think that salad is "not fattening" and donuts are, so might be more sparing in getting a donut (when I was fat I was actually surprised to find out a particular donut I got occasionally was 300 calories, I'd assumed much more) and think they are fine with a salad when a restaurant salad can be 1000 calories and even a homemade one if you load on high cal dressing and nuts or cheese and what not can be high cal if one is not counting.
When I was gaining it wasn't much from sweets or "fattening foods" (other than cheese, which I love). It was being careless with the olive oil and portion sizes of supposedly "healthy" foods.
Of course you can have delicious very high calorie salads. Just an example of a generally healthy food. Lets assume we are talking a 300Cal garden salad lolol.
The point is that salads are not inherently "fattening" (a better term for what I think you mean is "calorie dense") or not. As Need2 said, it's a style of food, but too variable to generalize about.
Dressing can be "fattening" (again, better term is calorie dense) or not.
Some people feel more satisfied eating smaller portions of more calorie dense foods, so for them those foods might not be "fattening." They are still calorie dense.
I don't personally find that eating only not calorie dense foods is the best way to maintain my weight, as I am not entirely a volume eater. I do focus my diet on whole foods, but tend to feel more satisfied keeping more fat in my diet even though that in theory is more "fattening." I like a salad with some olive oil as well as vinegar in the dressing, I like chicken with the skin on, etc.
It's perhaps just semantics, to some degree, but a point worth making.
Avocado is calorie dense, but I find it quite satisfying. Same with nuts.3
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