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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?

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  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    On the issue of wisdom teeth, my son doesn't have all of his. Just his lower ones.

    that's all I had as well...so far my son nada...and based on xrays he won't either...
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    On the issue of wisdom teeth, my son doesn't have all of his. Just his lower ones.

    I only have my lower ones which came out after 30. They aren't fully exposed.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited September 2017
    On the issue of wisdom teeth, my son doesn't have all of his. Just his lower ones.

    I only had lower ones too (none now).

    (The two I had were removed when they started trying to come in around age 30 and were causing issues.)
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    NEOHgirl wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    [Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.

    Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.

    Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.

    Of course not. It's de-minted dollar store toothpaste.
    Then can I get it in a tube?!
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.

    Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.

    EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.

    Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    oooooh. he's one of THOSE

    Haha yes he is, the whole conversation gives me a *kitten* migraine!
    If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.

    When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.


    I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.

    For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?

    Do you think that's a reasonable retort?

    Speak for yourself.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    NEOHgirl wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    [Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.

    Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.

    Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.

    Of course not. It's de-minted dollar store toothpaste.
    Then can I get it in a tube?!
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.

    Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.

    EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.

    Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    oooooh. he's one of THOSE

    Haha yes he is, the whole conversation gives me a *kitten* migraine!
    If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.

    When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.


    I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.

    For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?

    Do you think that's a reasonable retort?

    Speak for yourself.

    Exactly! If people are now taller then why are there still short people? :wink:
  • OliveGirl128
    OliveGirl128 Posts: 801 Member
    edited September 2017
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    The Fairlife plant is local to me, so I bought it once as way to support local jobs. But no one in my family liked it and we ended up throwing it away. I was bummed because I have a lactose intolerant kid and it's supposed to be ok for that, but no go. So I still buy 3 different kinds of milk-almond for her, 2% for husband and other 2 kids and then I buy skim for me, for my daily green smoothies, (I hate milk straight up, in any form, but I do like it as a base for my smoothies).

    Fairlife is more expensive, but I was hoping to eliminate the almond milk I have to buy for my daughter, so it would have saved me a bit of money if they had all liked it.
  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    I do. Twice the protein and lactose free. I'm getting older and we'll, lactose sadly is becoming an issue.

    I drink Faitlife but I'm single and my milk use is limited to my evening bowl of cereal so a container can last me upwards for 2 weeks
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    I do. Twice the protein and lactose free. I'm getting older and we'll, lactose sadly is becoming an issue.

    I drink Faitlife but I'm single and my milk use is limited to my evening bowl of cereal so a container can last me upwards for 2 weeks

    That's the biggest reason I started buying if. Stuff lasts forever.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    I do. Twice the protein and lactose free. I'm getting older and we'll, lactose sadly is becoming an issue.

    I drink Faitlife but I'm single and my milk use is limited to my evening bowl of cereal so a container can last me upwards for 2 weeks

    That's the biggest reason I started buying if. Stuff lasts forever.

    So does skim milk
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Teeth?

    I never got my adult 2nd bicuspids - I still have my babies (except the one that I had to have removed). I was surprised to find that this wasn't really uncommon.
  • OliveGirl128
    OliveGirl128 Posts: 801 Member
    TR0berts wrote: »
    Teeth?

    I never got my adult 2nd bicuspids - I still have my babies (except the one that I had to have removed). I was surprised to find that this wasn't really uncommon.

    It's usually hereditary-one of my kids, my husband and then my mil all have missing adult teeth that never formed.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    I do. Twice the protein and lactose free. I'm getting older and we'll, lactose sadly is becoming an issue.

    I drink Faitlife but I'm single and my milk use is limited to my evening bowl of cereal so a container can last me upwards for 2 weeks

    We are pretty heavy users in our household. Usually go through 2 containers per week. Most of the time I find them on sale so price is not really an issue. Even if it was, I like the product so would get it anyway...
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    NEOHgirl wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    [Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.

    Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.

    Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.

    Of course not. It's de-minted dollar store toothpaste.
    Then can I get it in a tube?!
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.

    Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.

    EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.

    Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    oooooh. he's one of THOSE

    Haha yes he is, the whole conversation gives me a *kitten* migraine!
    If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.

    When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.


    I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.

    For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?

    Do you think that's a reasonable retort?

    Speak for yourself.

    Exactly! If people are now taller then why are there still short people? :wink:

    Hehe, cos it takes time for one gene to become dominant over another and squeeze it out (so oversimplified, but an evolutionary biologist I am not!). If the environment continues to favour taller people, there will be less and less shorter people.

    You have to wonder if evolution will come up with some nifty way of countering obesity, since as a species we don't seem particularly inclined to do anything about that ourselves. But, since our genes aren't what make us fat, I guess not. Again, not an evolutionary biologist.

    My probably quite popular opinion - I should stop derailing this thread with human evolution tidbits!
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    NEOHgirl wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    [Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.

    Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.

    Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.

    Of course not. It's de-minted dollar store toothpaste.
    Then can I get it in a tube?!
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.

    Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.

    EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.

    Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    oooooh. he's one of THOSE

    Haha yes he is, the whole conversation gives me a *kitten* migraine!
    If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.

    When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.


    I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.

    For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?

    Do you think that's a reasonable retort?

    Speak for yourself.

    Exactly! If people are now taller then why are there still short people? :wink:

    Hehe, cos it takes time for one gene to become dominant over another and squeeze it out (so oversimplified, but an evolutionary biologist I am not!). If the environment continues to favour taller people, there will be less and less shorter people.

    You have to wonder if evolution will come up with some nifty way of countering obesity, since as a species we don't seem particularly inclined to do anything about that ourselves. But, since our genes aren't what make us fat, I guess not. Again, not an evolutionary biologist.

    My probably quite popular opinion - I should stop derailing this thread with human evolution tidbits!

    That was a tongue in cheek haha. Unfortunately I don't think evolution is likely to do anything about obesity. If anything, it could become more common. Being fat is becoming more and more acceptable, so we're looking at more babies with parents genetically prone to obesity.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
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  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,416 Member
    I just think of Wall-E as the future of humans. Just a bunch of lazy fat *kitten* on floating chars with their every whim catered to by robots. We're not far off now really.

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  • Sp1tfire
    Sp1tfire Posts: 1,120 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    I like it, especially their chocolate milk (140 cal a serving!). They have some real sugar so the sucralose taste is well hidden in my opinion.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    NEOHgirl wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    [Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.

    Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.

    Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.

    Of course not. It's de-minted dollar store toothpaste.
    Then can I get it in a tube?!
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.

    Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.

    EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.

    Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    oooooh. he's one of THOSE

    Haha yes he is, the whole conversation gives me a *kitten* migraine!
    If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.

    When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.


    I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.

    For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?

    Do you think that's a reasonable retort?

    Speak for yourself.

    Exactly! If people are now taller then why are there still short people? :wink:

    Hehe, cos it takes time for one gene to become dominant over another and squeeze it out (so oversimplified, but an evolutionary biologist I am not!). If the environment continues to favour taller people, there will be less and less shorter people.

    You have to wonder if evolution will come up with some nifty way of countering obesity, since as a species we don't seem particularly inclined to do anything about that ourselves. But, since our genes aren't what make us fat, I guess not. Again, not an evolutionary biologist.

    My probably quite popular opinion - I should stop derailing this thread with human evolution tidbits!

    That was a tongue in cheek haha. Unfortunately I don't think evolution is likely to do anything about obesity. If anything, it could become more common. Being fat is becoming more and more acceptable, so we're looking at more babies with parents genetically prone to obesity.

    Yeah, I knew you were being tongue in cheek, but figured I'd explain for the masses anyway :)

    I suspect you're right about the obesity thing, sadly. Unless it becomes a survival issue.

    Our Neanderthal genes have a lot to answer for in terms of many of our modern ailments. Obviously they were advantageous at the time, but not so much in conjunction with our crappy modern lifestyles (so, actually not Neanderthals fault, they gave us some good stuff, 'we' screwed it up). I need to get my mitts on the source articles, but here's a woefully short basic article from Science Mag: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    katadx wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.

    Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.

    And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.

    The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.

    I like it, especially their chocolate milk (140 cal a serving!). They have some real sugar so the sucralose taste is well hidden in my opinion.

    Ahhhhh, I'm so tempted by the chocolate milk. Been meaning to pick some up to keep around as an indulgence. Same calories as most Atkins snacks, but with more protein.
  • sarcasticarse
    sarcasticarse Posts: 59 Member

    Intermittent fasting is a faddy and silly name for not eating the whole damn time. It is not some magical way to be able to eat more while burning more fat. It's a way to control your eating. Having regular feeding times and cutoffs for eating creates easy boundaries. It's the same as "meals" and "skipping breakfast".

    BTW, breakfast is the first meal of the day, so you can't really skip it unless you don't eat for at least 24 hours.

    Snacking is contributing to the obesity epidemic. I am all for reintroducing meals. If IF can do that, I may have to settle for that solution.

    Quick and easy is killing us. Good food takes time and is worth waiting for.

    Healthy food does not cost more. It takes an effort, but so does "unhealthy" food. It's just another set of efforts, another way of thinking and organizing things.

    MFP is wonderful, but there are some important things that should have been fixed. Weight loss rate should be in line with amount to lose, moderation could be better, food database is a mess, food diary is slow.

    Enough for now.

    I like you, this was my favorite part :)
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    @jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores. ;)

    LMAO OK
    I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.

    Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.

    Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)

    My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!

    Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
    @jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores. ;)

    LMAO OK
    I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.

    Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.

    Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)

    My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!

    Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.

    In response to the bold, you are one of the people that you are complaining about. You literally just said:

    "Mark my words.
    Carbs should be the smallest of your macros. (fats and protein are what you evolved over millions of years to run on)"

    That is your opinion that you defend by cherry picking bits and pieces of information yet you you state it as an absolute.

    I don't see those statements as necessarily contradictory. They can (are?) both be true.

    Or perhaps... I may have softened my stance in light of a couple of well thought out replies which used facts and examples rather than dogma and "bro science" (like CICO) to make a point?

    What other "bro science" would you be referring to then if you were being sarcastic when you mentioned CICO? I ask because I didn't see anything but actual logic being used to refute what you were saying. Even if you were being sarcastic, this is your second post in a short time to mention CICO in a negative light. I find that odd especially since you were listing off facts such as climate change earlier. Whether you believe it or not, CICO is fact in relation to weight loss.

    My first comment about CICO was to
    emphasize that it isn't an absolute. (I said partially bunk) Those who preach CICO imply that a thousand calories of cookies and a thousand calories of fish have the same nutritional value... That's just not correct.

    It's part of the equation but it is definitely not nearly as important as the advocates claim.

    giphy.gif

    literally nobody has ever said this. we're 142 pages in and this has been covered ad nauseum.

    Awesome meme! You are correct of course. These latest post from the Low Carb/ Keto advocate are a classic illustration of why people get so resistant to the concept. It's proponents don't just let it stand on it's own as a possible way of eating. There is this need to misrepresent, twist facts, deny facts and do it all with an obnoxious condescension that is really offputting.

    I can't find the article right now by James Krieger of Weightology and if someone has it please post. But he essentially states that he poured over all the available research he could find looking to prove that Low carb/ Keto had a metabolic advantage. He thought is must and had a bias to prove it. He couldn't. No system of eating has a metabolic advantage for weight loss and in the end it is CICO for weight loss and good nutrient dense foods for nutrition. End. Of. Story.

    Now if a renowned researcher PHD like Krieger can't find one, why am I believing some random guy on the interwebs??

    For what it's worth, my PhD dissertation was partly on the mechanics of carbohydrate metabolism. I also poured through the literature, on more than one occasion as it's been a long interest of mine over my 20 years of laboratory research, and I have also been unable to find any real evidence that any diet abrogates or advantages cico. I am of the professional opinion that forcing yourself into ketosis long term is playing biological roulette, and hold deep disagreement with the scientists who advocate for it (and there aren't many who don't also have major self - interest in the diet promotion).

    I'm also not convinced by the scientists who claim long term very low calorie diets are sustainable, and actually believe several of the labs doing this work engage in coercive and cult-like control of the graduate students, having met these people and say through their presentations. Further, they present a severe moral and ethical hazard which makes trusting their spurious claims much more difficult.

    I realize here I'm just another person on the net, but I feel very strongly this is something not confronted enough because of the way in which professional scientists interact.

    A very interesting perspective. One would think if there were any metabolic advantage, it would have presented by now. Lord knows it's been studies often enough!!
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    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    tomteboda wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    @jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores. ;)

    LMAO OK
    I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.

    Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.

    Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)

    My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!

    Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
    @jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores. ;)

    LMAO OK
    I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.

    Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.

    Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)

    My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!

    Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.

    In response to the bold, you are one of the people that you are complaining about. You literally just said:

    "Mark my words.
    Carbs should be the smallest of your macros. (fats and protein are what you evolved over millions of years to run on)"

    That is your opinion that you defend by cherry picking bits and pieces of information yet you you state it as an absolute.

    I don't see those statements as necessarily contradictory. They can (are?) both be true.

    Or perhaps... I may have softened my stance in light of a couple of well thought out replies which used facts and examples rather than dogma and "bro science" (like CICO) to make a point?

    What other "bro science" would you be referring to then if you were being sarcastic when you mentioned CICO? I ask because I didn't see anything but actual logic being used to refute what you were saying. Even if you were being sarcastic, this is your second post in a short time to mention CICO in a negative light. I find that odd especially since you were listing off facts such as climate change earlier. Whether you believe it or not, CICO is fact in relation to weight loss.

    My first comment about CICO was to
    emphasize that it isn't an absolute. (I said partially bunk) Those who preach CICO imply that a thousand calories of cookies and a thousand calories of fish have the same nutritional value... That's just not correct.

    It's part of the equation but it is definitely not nearly as important as the advocates claim.

    giphy.gif

    literally nobody has ever said this. we're 142 pages in and this has been covered ad nauseum.

    Awesome meme! You are correct of course. These latest post from the Low Carb/ Keto advocate are a classic illustration of why people get so resistant to the concept. It's proponents don't just let it stand on it's own as a possible way of eating. There is this need to misrepresent, twist facts, deny facts and do it all with an obnoxious condescension that is really offputting.

    I can't find the article right now by James Krieger of Weightology and if someone has it please post. But he essentially states that he poured over all the available research he could find looking to prove that Low carb/ Keto had a metabolic advantage. He thought is must and had a bias to prove it. He couldn't. No system of eating has a metabolic advantage for weight loss and in the end it is CICO for weight loss and good nutrient dense foods for nutrition. End. Of. Story.

    Now if a renowned researcher PHD like Krieger can't find one, why am I believing some random guy on the interwebs??

    For what it's worth, my PhD dissertation was partly on the mechanics of carbohydrate metabolism. I also poured through the literature, on more than one occasion as it's been a long interest of mine over my 20 years of laboratory research, and I have also been unable to find any real evidence that any diet abrogates or advantages cico. I am of the professional opinion that forcing yourself into ketosis long term is playing biological roulette, and hold deep disagreement with the scientists who advocate for it (and there aren't many who don't also have major self - interest in the diet promotion).

    I'm also not convinced by the scientists who claim long term very low calorie diets are sustainable, and actually believe several of the labs doing this work engage in coercive and cult-like control of the graduate students, having met these people and say through their presentations. Further, they present a severe moral and ethical hazard which makes trusting their spurious claims much more difficult.

    I realize here I'm just another person on the net, but I feel very strongly this is something not confronted enough because of the way in which professional scientists interact.

    A very interesting perspective. One would think if there were any metabolic advantage, it would have presented by now. Lord knows it's been studies often enough!!

    Indeed...
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