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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.5 -
robm1brown wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me too. I don't like any milk, but if I'm drinking it you can be sure it will be skim. I hate the creamy taste of milk.
I stopped drinking milk and orange juice after I started logging my diet years ago. My diet has enough vitamins and calcium without them; I didn't particularly like milk (although I still consume dairy through yogurt and cheese), and OJ had more sugar than I wanted to drink. My dad thought it was bizarre not to drink milk and OJ every morning because that is what our family did growing up, but legacy habits lack allure if they don't serve any other purpose.
The two things I drink loads of with far less guilt now I am calorie counting compared to how 'diets' treat them.
Milk and OJ were essential parts of my diet for over 40 years and I never felt a moment of guilt over drinking them because if I didn't, per my parents, my bones would become brittle and I would develop scurvy. In reality, I was getting several times the amount of calcium and Vitamin C than were necessary, so they just became optional. I always lean toward eating calories vs drinking them, so eliminating them results in a more filling meal.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
holy crap that's a lot of milk. I may kill 1 bottle of Fairlife a week, and sometimes not even that. If I were downing 3 gallons a week I probably would be more price sensitive.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
holy crap that's a lot of milk. I may kill 1 bottle of Fairlife a week, and sometimes not even that. If I were downing 3 gallons a week I probably would be more price sensitive.
When both boys were home and in HS we were going through a gallon a day.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
Depends on where you are. I live in Wisconsin, nicknamed "The Dairy State". We are #2 in the country for milk production and #1 for cheese production so dairy products are cheaper here than many places because there is less transport involved, and locally owned groceries can buy locally produced dairy. National brands of dairy products like yogurt are not as cheap. I frequently make my own yogurt because I can get the milk at a good price.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
Yup, you got it.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
The store we go to is a large supercenter. There is another supercenter type store, an Aldi's and 2 large chain grocery stores and a Whole Foods type place within 1/4 mile of each other so pretty competitive. Sure they use the milk as a loss leader, but it has been less than $1.00 a gallon for a couple years. At one time got down to $0.69.
Typically when travelling in other areas I see non-speciality milk around $3 a gallon.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
because not all the apes lived in the same ecosystems. If the whole world was jungle we would never have evolved the way we did. But apes that lived in the less forested, grassy African savanna evolved to run on 2 legs and be smarter, because they couldn't swing from tree to tree (among other reasons)
I'm oversimplifying, there's an anthropologist around her somewhere+
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I believe you can do it no matter what issues you're faced with if you want to. It's mind over matter. I have Hashimoto's (autoimmune thyroid disease--hypo) and celiac disease... All odds were against me but I'm near my goal now. There's seriously nothing in your way but yourself.3
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Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
because not all the apes lived in the same ecosystems. If the whole world was jungle we would never have evolved the way we did. But apes that lived in the less forested, grassy African savanna evolved to run on 2 legs and be smarter, because they couldn't swing from tree to tree (among other reasons)
I'm oversimplifying, there's an anthropologist around her somewhere+
Yep, oversimplifying, but that's the gist of it. Different environmental pressures driving different evolutionary paths. Note, though, the earliest bipeds still spent a substantial amount of time in the trees, swinging from branch to branch. Lots of competing hypotheses for why we came down (wasn't to hunt though
, scavenging may have played a part, but little Ardipithecus certainly wasn't chasing down gazelle). Could expand more, but I have to go forage like a good little ape! 1 -
Thank you @jdlobb and @Nony_Mouse , My husband asks this question every time this topic comes up, and i can't come up with a logical answer. He's gonna hear all about my new found knowledge when he comes in
Let me not get started on Adam & Eve V's evolution
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oooooh. he's one of THOSE2
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
Depends on where you are. I live in Wisconsin, nicknamed "The Dairy State". We are #2 in the country for milk production and #1 for cheese production so dairy products are cheaper here than many places because there is less transport involved, and locally owned groceries can buy locally produced dairy. National brands of dairy products like yogurt are not as cheap. I frequently make my own yogurt because I can get the milk at a good price.
Two things to keep in mind about the price of milk in the US...
1) the US gallon is smaller... 0.83 of an imperial gallon.
2) the US is the only country in the world (not 100% positive about ALL of the rest this but it is prohibited in Canada, the EU, New Zealand, Israel and Australia) that allows rBST (bovine growth hormone) injection, which increases the milk output of their cattle.0 -
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Here's my unpopular opinion... If i hear one more person bellyache about paying a whole $4 for a tub of HaloTop i'm gonna scream. I pay $11.40 for one stinkin' pint here
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Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
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Christine_72 wrote: »Thank you @jdlobb and @Nony_Mouse , My husband asks this question every time this topic comes up, and i can't come up with a logical answer. He's gonna hear all about my new found knowledge when he comes in
Let me not get started on Adam & Eve V's evolution
Always happy to talk archaeology!!1 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.
For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?
Do you think that's a reasonable retort?0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.
For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?
Do you think that's a reasonable retort?
Yep, and that one has to do with food availability/nutrition.
Wisdom teeth are one of my favourite examples. Hands up who never got theirs? That's evolution in action. We started losing them in the Epi Palaeolithic with increasing processing technology, because we don't need our teeth to do as much grinding as they used to (grinding/processing technology well predates that, but it really kicked off in a big way with incipient agriculture when people really started to mess around with cultivation).
Lactose tolerance is another.
And, our brains are getting smaller.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.
For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?
Do you think that's a reasonable retort?
Yep, and that one has to do with food availability/nutrition.
Wisdom teeth are one of my favourite examples. Hands up who never got theirs? That's evolution in action. We started losing them in the Epi Palaeolithic with increasing processing technology, because we don't need our teeth to do as much grinding as they used to (grinding/processing technology well predates that, but it really kicked off in a big way with incipient agriculture when people really started to mess around with cultivation).
Lactose tolerance is another.
And, our brains are getting smaller.
well that explains a lot
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deannalfisher wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.
For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?
Do you think that's a reasonable retort?
Yep, and that one has to do with food availability/nutrition.
Wisdom teeth are one of my favourite examples. Hands up who never got theirs? That's evolution in action. We started losing them in the Epi Palaeolithic with increasing processing technology, because we don't need our teeth to do as much grinding as they used to (grinding/processing technology well predates that, but it really kicked off in a big way with incipient agriculture when people really started to mess around with cultivation).
Lactose tolerance is another.
And, our brains are getting smaller.
well that explains a lot
Indeed!
Two main schools of thought:
1) we are getting dumber (I s'pose I should be polite and say less intelligent, but nah...), mostly due to an increased reliance on technology to do every damn thing for us (srsly, smart water bottles, anyone??). And we just don't have to be as clever and cunning and wily as we did when our lives depended on it;
2) our brain is just becoming more energy efficient, and rewiring to do more with less (bore, snore).
Personally, I'm on the side of number 1. A good apocalyptic event ought to sort that out quick enough.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.
For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?
Do you think that's a reasonable retort?
Yep, and that one has to do with food availability/nutrition.
Wisdom teeth are one of my favourite examples. Hands up who never got theirs? That's evolution in action. We started losing them in the Epi Palaeolithic with increasing processing technology, because we don't need our teeth to do as much grinding as they used to (grinding/processing technology well predates that, but it really kicked off in a big way with incipient agriculture when people really started to mess around with cultivation).
Lactose tolerance is another.
And, our brains are getting smaller.
well that explains a lot
Indeed!
Two main schools of thought:
1) we are getting dumber (I s'pose I should be polite and say less intelligent, but nah...), mostly due to an increased reliance on technology to do every damn thing for us (srsly, smart water bottles, anyone??). And we just don't have to be as clever and cunning and wily as we did when our lives depended on it;
2) our brain is just becoming more energy efficient, and rewiring to do more with less (bore, snore).
Personally, I'm on the side of number 1. A good apocalyptic event ought to sort that out quick enough.
yeah - I lean towards the first one...thinking about what happens at work when our computers go down for a day (can I use the argument that our IT support folks are defining #1 by pushing out massive computer updates on a Monday morning that knocks an entire system out)...1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.
Jesus H, milk is cheap in the US! I pay $4.50 for 2 litres (half a gallon). Even accounting for exchange rates, that's an insane difference. But then, a) our cows live in fields and are grass-fed, as they're meant to be, and b) most of our dairy is exported which drives up the price.
EVERYTHING is cheap over there. I pay the same as you for milk here in Australia.
Also, I have a question. If humans are descended from Apes, monkeys whatever then why haven't all the Apes evolved into humans by now. It's like evolution picked and chose who "changed" and who didn't.
If someone asks me 'why are there still apes/wolves?" in an arsey way, I show them different breeds of dogs. Then I explain that at various points in history, groups of people have set out to breed for specific characteristics by selecting for those traits in the local dogs in their life. Dogs living elsewhere weren't affected.Christine_72 wrote: »
When Philip Smith (made-up name) and colleagues bred the poodle in France and/or Germany, the dogs in an English village where they were breeding English Sheepdogs were unaffected by all this. They did NOT magically turn into poodles, even though some contemporary dogs far away were developing generation by generation into the modern poodle.
I also like 'so why aren't we still evolving?'. To which the answer is, 'we are'.
For starters, we're considerably taller than people just a thousand years ago. Right?
Do you think that's a reasonable retort?
Yep, and that one has to do with food availability/nutrition.
Wisdom teeth are one of my favourite examples. Hands up who never got theirs? That's evolution in action. We started losing them in the Epi Palaeolithic with increasing processing technology, because we don't need our teeth to do as much grinding as they used to (grinding/processing technology well predates that, but it really kicked off in a big way with incipient agriculture when people really started to mess around with cultivation).
Lactose tolerance is another.
And, our brains are getting smaller.
well that explains a lot
Indeed!
Two main schools of thought:
1) we are getting dumber (I s'pose I should be polite and say less intelligent, but nah...), mostly due to an increased reliance on technology to do every damn thing for us (srsly, smart water bottles, anyone??). And we just don't have to be as clever and cunning and wily as we did when our lives depended on it;
2) our brain is just becoming more energy efficient, and rewiring to do more with less (bore, snore).
Personally, I'm on the side of number 1. A good apocalyptic event ought to sort that out quick enough.
yeah - I lean towards the first one...thinking about what happens at work when our computers go down for a day (can I use the argument that our IT support folks are defining #1 by pushing out massive computer updates on a Monday morning that knocks an entire system out)...
It's actually been happening for a long time, because larger societies provide a safety net, but I'm quite sure that advances in technology are speeding the process up! So, use your brains, people! Do crosswords, try to do basic math in your head before pulling out the calculator, do stuff from memory then fact check if need be, read books, learn how to do new stuff (especially stuff that will help you survive after that apocalypse ). 2 -
Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
I do. Twice the protein and lactose free. I'm getting older and we'll, lactose sadly is becoming an issue.1 -
Well if the apocalypse is slow enough like global warming, maybe we'll all be like the frog in the pot.
If it's quick, the people who already have their shelters and ammunition stockpiled will be the winners. I'm not saying those are the brightest bulbs, though. I know a couple of them...I'm hoping to tag along to their shelter without doing the work. Or maybe the winners will be the ones who jump on that ship to Mars.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »Well if the apocalypse is slow enough like global warming, maybe we'll all be like the frog in the pot.
If it's quick, the people who already have their shelters and ammunition stockpiled will be the winners. I'm not saying those are the brightest bulbs, though. I know a couple of them...I'm hoping to tag along to their shelter without doing the work. Or maybe the winners will be the ones who jump on that ship to Mars.
Oh, it needs to be a cataclysmic apocalypse, for sure! Let's just hope the scientists make it to the bunkers...And we're already the frog in the pot.
An apocalypse would be so fascinating from an anthropological perspective. How would we cope? Who, of the survivors, would ultimately survive? Would it be enough to cause speciation? So many questions!0 -
On the issue of wisdom teeth, my son doesn't have all of his. Just his lower ones.1
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »On the issue of wisdom teeth, my son doesn't have all of his. Just his lower ones.
One of my friends is the same. Another has none!0
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