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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
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French_Peasant wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
I don't see it so much as adding evil as sucking out its soul, leaving a sad, broken husk stripped of all that is kind and good.
That is true...3 -
French_Peasant wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
I don't see it so much as adding evil as sucking out its soul, leaving a sad, broken husk stripped of all that is kind and good.
I see this in a similar manner - like a black hole sucking out all the joy in a specific radius from the epicenter of the container of evil...skim milk to the layperson. Drinking this is comparable to the Dementor's Kiss.6 -
But homo sapiens are literally part of the taxonomic family of primates called Hominidae. "great apes." And includes gorillas, chimps, orangutans, and....humans
I think what you might have been looking for is that our ancestors aren't monkeys. Which is the more common misunderstanding, and argument. But we are definitely descended from apes. Our parents are apes. We are apes.Nony_Mouse wrote: »As has already been pointed out, we are apes. You are misunderstanding something somewhere. We, along with the other Great Apes, descended from previous apes. Of the extant Great Apes, we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees most recently, they went their way at the split and we went ours. Prior to that, we and chimps shared a common ancestor with gorillas (maybe Nakalipithecus, maybe there's some yet to be discovered ancestor after that), gorillas went their way, the human/chimp ancestor(s) carried on for a couple more million years (and probably evolved into different species in between times). You can say we are not descended from chimpanzees and/or gorillas, and be absolutely correct, but saying we're not descended from apes, or that we ourselves aren't apes, is flat out wrong.
I stand corrected. I was getting at the bolded, but was incorrect in the way I put it.2 -
I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.1
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Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me too. I don't like any milk, but if I'm drinking it you can be sure it will be skim. I hate the creamy taste of milk.2 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Oh don't worry. I don't like bacon, steak, fried chicken, or donuts. I'll keep you company.1 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
I do too. I find it more refreshing than milk with more fat in it.1 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'm hypermobile, I can squat atg (and prefer to), but my trainer at my gym (who I do not pay btw) won't let me go full depth with anything over about 70% of my 1rpm, because I'm at risk of injury if I do. Does that mean that my just above parallel squats, that take a lot more control for me personally, to stop myself from going too low, somehow don't count? My PT (who I do pay to torture me) also prefers me not to bodyweight squat atg, because she knows how easy I find them, while stopping at or just above parallel takes more work for me, especially as I can sit at the bottom of a squat almost indefinitely.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me too. I don't like any milk, but if I'm drinking it you can be sure it will be skim. I hate the creamy taste of milk.
I grew up on skim milk and never could get used to the texture of 2% or whole milk. I didn't like the way it coated my mouth.2 -
That there is NO "one-size-fits-all" approach to good health and fitness. There is so much judgement and so much "unscientific" opinion in the "fitness world" and too many people who have made positive changes that then feel like what they did should work for everyone else. And oh so many who are ready, willing and able to exploit these all too human frailties. IMHO that is just ridiculous and counter productive.
I have been in and out of the fitness industry for over 20 years and there is always a new diet or exercise "fad." But in reality, there are things that are going to work and appeal to some that would be completely the wrong thing for someone else. Or, it might be right for them at one time of their life while completely wrong at another. We are individuals, unique and "special snowflakes" LOL each and every one of us.
There needs to be more support for diversity in our approaches to fitness and health, and less criticism of those who do not act or think as we do. Compassion and inclusion instead of judgment and exclusion. Just sayin.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me, too. And for the unpopular opinion trifecta, I not only prefer skim milk and dislike Oreos, I don't like Halo Top either. Tried multiple flavors, gave up.3 -
[quote Me, too. And for the unpopular opinion trifecta, I not only prefer skim milk and dislike Oreos, I don't like Halo Top either. Tried multiple flavors, gave up.[/quote]
@AnnPT77, I don't like Oreos or Halo Tip either. Even as a child, the only Oreos I remotely liked were the double-stuff.1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Oh don't worry. I don't like bacon, steak, fried chicken, or donuts. I'll keep you company.
Don't frikken lump me in with any of those dislikes.
The fried chicken and donuts I can mostly keep away from, but I don't not like them. Bacon and steak are staples to me.3 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me, too. And for the unpopular opinion trifecta, I not only prefer skim milk and dislike Oreos, I don't like Halo Top either. Tried multiple flavors, gave up.
I tried 2 flavours on holidays. Liked one and didn't like the other one.
Don't even remember which ones as I can't get them up here anyway.0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Oh don't worry. I don't like bacon, steak, fried chicken, or donuts. I'll keep you company.
Don't frikken lump me in with any of those dislikes.
The fried chicken and donuts I can mostly keep away from, but I don't not like them. Bacon and steak are staples to me.
Exactly. I meant I will keep you company in the unpopular preferences corner, as you can see that's pretty unpopular. 3 -
But homo sapiens are literally part of the taxonomic family of primates called Hominidae. "great apes." And includes gorillas, chimps, orangutans, and....humans
I think what you might have been looking for is that our ancestors aren't monkeys. Which is the more common misunderstanding, and argument. But we are definitely descended from apes. Our parents are apes. We are apes.Nony_Mouse wrote: »As has already been pointed out, we are apes. You are misunderstanding something somewhere. We, along with the other Great Apes, descended from previous apes. Of the extant Great Apes, we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees most recently, they went their way at the split and we went ours. Prior to that, we and chimps shared a common ancestor with gorillas (maybe Nakalipithecus, maybe there's some yet to be discovered ancestor after that), gorillas went their way, the human/chimp ancestor(s) carried on for a couple more million years (and probably evolved into different species in between times). You can say we are not descended from chimpanzees and/or gorillas, and be absolutely correct, but saying we're not descended from apes, or that we ourselves aren't apes, is flat out wrong.
I stand corrected. I was getting at the bolded, but was incorrect in the way I put it.
I figured that was where you were going wrong. Pet hate of mine, both saying we're descended from chimps, and the humans aren't apes thing actually! Then there's people calling chimps monkeys, that makes me super ragey. And don't even get me started on anything that suggests Neanderthals were brutish, sub-human oafs!! Goes without saying that any reference to the 'Paleo' diet being even remotely connected to how Palaeolithic peoples ate is like a red flag to a bull. 10 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me, too. And for the unpopular opinion trifecta, I not only prefer skim milk and dislike Oreos, I don't like Halo Top either. Tried multiple flavors, gave up.
Also much prefer skim milk. I've been drinking it since I was 15. Standard milk just tastes too fatty to me (yet I will happily put cream in my coffee if I happen to have it on hand). Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me too. I don't like any milk, but if I'm drinking it you can be sure it will be skim. I hate the creamy taste of milk.
I stopped drinking milk and orange juice after I started logging my diet years ago. My diet has enough vitamins and calcium without them; I didn't particularly like milk (although I still consume dairy through yogurt and cheese), and OJ had more sugar than I wanted to drink. My dad thought it was bizarre not to drink milk and OJ every morning because that is what our family did growing up, but legacy habits lack allure if they don't serve any other purpose.5 -
Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »[Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.
Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.4 -
Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.1 -
Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
In NZ, our added calcium skim milk is higher protein (but same sugar), and there is also now a reduced fat milk with higher protein.
The amount of milk I go through, I really don't have to worry about it spoiling!0 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me too. I don't like any milk, but if I'm drinking it you can be sure it will be skim. I hate the creamy taste of milk.
I stopped drinking milk and orange juice after I started logging my diet years ago. My diet has enough vitamins and calcium without them; I didn't particularly like milk (although I still consume dairy through yogurt and cheese), and OJ had more sugar than I wanted to drink. My dad thought it was bizarre not to drink milk and OJ every morning because that is what our family did growing up, but legacy habits lack allure if they don't serve any other purpose.
The two things I drink loads of with far less guilt now I am calorie counting compared to how 'diets' treat them.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Anybody else drink Fairlife ultra-pasteurized milks? More protein and less sugar than than regular milk, and they're smoother than their regular milk counterparts at respective fat levels.
Added bonus, they're shelf stable for a very long time, so I don't have to worry about them spoiling if I got a week or 2 without milk.
And they cost 2-4+ times as much as the store brand milk (my area at least). That's what the Coke marketing gets you.
The price different amounts to like 25 cents per serving, for a better tasting product with twice the protein. I've never seen any marking or advertising for it, but for me it's well worth the tiny extra expense.
Sure if you like it go for it. Locally a gallon of store milk is $0.98 and 52 oz of Fairlife is $2.98 so we see a significant difference, especially when we drink 3+ gallons a week.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »[Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.
Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.
Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.4 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »[Not sure I've ever tried an oreo, though we can get them in NZ now, but no Halo Top.
Imagine two of the the thinnest, driest cookies ever, more like a cracker with just a slight cocoa taste, sandwiched around a thin slice of fondant icing. And then when you eat it, you have visible chocolate crumbs in every crevice of your teeth until you floss for an hour. No thank you. I swear as a kid half the time I'd eat the fondant cream in the middle & throw out the cookie. These days I don't even like fondant.
Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.
Of course not. It's de-minted dollar store toothpaste.15 -
"Fondant is crazy hard and not good. The cream filling in an Oreo is not fondant.". I'm sure it's not really fondant, but it's the closest thing I've ever found to the center of an Oreo when trying to describe it to someone that's never had it. At least it was the closes when I've been working with the fondant, not when it's been sitting on the cake for a while. It's been several years since my fondant-experimenting days though, so my memory might be a bit hazy.1
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