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lemurcat12 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Still laughing at the thought of not finding full fat foods in a Canadian grocery store.....
me too...
Can either of you please recommend a full fat FroYo or ice cream then??
I discovered Libertee Mediterranee yogurt which is 10%, or 9% for the flavored ones but not one single full fat frozen yogurt or ice cream. I have an ice cream maker so I make my own from time to time but I would love to just buy one.
You seriously can't find a full fat ice cream? Talenti, Ben and Jerry's, Haggen Daaz, etc., aren't known for being low fat . . .?
I believe that you have difficulty finding a full fat FroYo, since FroYo seems to have been basically invented in response to people being afraid of fat.
Ah... Good point on the ice cream... Those are all a little sugary for my personal tastes though. I was searching for something slightly less "decadent" lol but still fairly high fat...
Ice cream is sugary because it needs to be sugary to be smooth. I make ice cream at home almost exclusively and trust me, if you're going for something less sugary you'll need to add a lot of binders and ingredients which you seem to not like. Ice cream as we know it has always been sugary. Here's a recipe from the 1800s.
1 quart whipped cream sweetened with 3/4 cup icing sugar. Add 1 1/4 cups raspberry jelly slightly melted. Fold in the beaten whites of 5 eggs. Freeze.
You could try making something less sugary at home, but prepare for a more icy consistency. I'm not sure why you're mentioning ice cream as a product you're looking for whole fat since whole fat ice cream is the norm not the exception. There is a reason low calorie ice creams cost an arm and a leg. As for low sugar ice cream, that's a new invention and as far removed from "the good old days when people were eating fat by the buckets and staying thing" as it can get.
I do make ice cream from time to time and I do find you can make it fairly smooth without being too sweet if you use whipping cream (35%) and a little stevia. A little whey protein isolate for flavour and maybe some dark chocolate bits or some berries for texture...
Word of warning it's really filling that way!
I've made low carb (usually not sweet) ice cream at home, one I like is cardamom vanilla. It's okay texture-wise short-term (it's just whipping cream, greek yogurt, vanilla, and cardamom), but not yet ready to be served to guests (even if I'd spring a non sweetened ice cream on them -- I'm really into creamy but not particularly sweet, but it wouldn't be a normal ice cream). It's also not any lower cal than many ice creams I get (similar to gelato).
Obviously regular ice creams (I'm currently into Jeni's) have sugar, but not because lots of sugar is added to compensate for low fat, but because ice cream is sweet, normally. The low fat ones don't tend to have more sugar, they have less, since they are basically diet ice cream (Enlightened, Halo Top).
This is exactly it. I make all kinds of protein, artificial sweetener, or low fat concoctions, but only a handful of them I would serve to a guest, and certainly none that contains protein powder. I use these things because they are "good enough" when the real item doesn't feel like it's worth the calories, but aside from a few things they aren't usually as good as the real thing. To me, real ice cream is worth the calories 99% of the time when I want it because I've always been satisfied with a single serving so it doesn't usually have too large of a caloric footprint on my day and doesn't leave me wanting more.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
A personal preference is one thing, but you wrote " I don't think a vegetarian lifestyle is healthy or natural for humans." If you're going to make statements like that, people are going to ask what the foundation is.
As far as "natural," it may or may not be. But we know that we reject many things that are "natural" and can be perfectly healthy and happy doing things that are "unnatural." It's an irrelevant category for health.
So when you say it isn't "healthy," what facts are you basing that on? I know you're not basing it on studies of vegetarians and vegans because those studies exist and overall they don't show that they have a higher rate of illness or early death than non-vegans and vegetarians.
Oh hey as for natural, long before we evolved to eat meat, we were all eating all plants, all the time.
If people want to go way, way back, why not go all way?
If you want to talk "natural" and go back in time, you're probably looking at a diet made up mostly of fruit and foraged greens, along with grubs and ants when we can get them. Likely to be much higher carbohydrate than what our newest carbophobe has in mind as ideal.
ok, i'm not wading into this, because i think it's silly. But let's just point out that hunting and the consumption of meat predates the human species. Our ape ancestors were carnivores. Homo sapiens have never been herbivores, or pure gatherers. We evolved the ability to walk on 2 feet specifically because it made us more successful hunters.
edit: and no, that shouldn't have any bearing at all on what we decide to eat in the 21st century. Sorry Paleoids
You realize we don't actually have ape ancestors, right?
Nakalipithecus disagrees
Per wikipedia:
"According to Kyoto University researchers, the Nakalipithecus species is very close to the last common ancestor of gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans."
"The evolutionary importance of Nakalipithecus is ... it provides evidence that current Homininae lineages (gorillas, chimpanzees, humans) diverged from a common ancestor"
Apes and humans evolved along separate evolutionary paths after the lines diverged from a common ancestor that was neither an ape nor a human. We are not descended from apes.
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As has already been pointed out, we are apes. You are misunderstanding something somewhere. We, along with the other Great Apes, descended from previous apes. Of the extant Great Apes, we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees most recently, they went their way at the split and we went ours. Prior to that, we and chimps shared a common ancestor with gorillas (maybe Nakalipithecus, maybe there's some yet to be discovered ancestor after that), gorillas went their way, the human/chimp ancestor(s) carried on for a couple more million years (and probably evolved into different species in between times). You can say we are not descended from chimpanzees and/or gorillas, and be absolutely correct, but saying we're not descended from apes, or that we ourselves aren't apes, is flat out wrong.
Again, archaeologist.11 -
I can't believe people wouldn't like Pumpkin Cookie Butter ice cream. What kind of former fat people are you?
Also love the sciencey folks. Thanks for the apes lesson. I have a good friend at the zoo who is an orangutan and I like her a lot more than most people. She's always happy to see me and she never says anything.5 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I still want to find a decent low-fat ice cream up here. Had some Halo-Top on holidays and liked one flavour but didn't like the other. Only tried 2.
that's why I eat fudgesticks or full on ice cream although DQ has a yummy orange creamy thing...sobeys has one that's similar.
Small Frosty ($0.99 right now) is filling the void for me, but it would be nice to get Halo Top or something similar.
halo top actually makes a pretty good milkshake. it kind of bypasses any weird texture issues by blending it up. i suggest blending the vanilla bean with guinness beer, kahlua and some chocolate syrup.
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jessiferrrb wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I still want to find a decent low-fat ice cream up here. Had some Halo-Top on holidays and liked one flavour but didn't like the other. Only tried 2.
that's why I eat fudgesticks or full on ice cream although DQ has a yummy orange creamy thing...sobeys has one that's similar.
Small Frosty ($0.99 right now) is filling the void for me, but it would be nice to get Halo Top or something similar.
halo top actually makes a pretty good milkshake. it kind of bypasses any weird texture issues by blending it up. i suggest blending the vanilla bean with guinness beer, kahlua and some chocolate syrup.
Thank you! I never thought of that. There's only one HT flavor that I enjoy (PB cup), because the others just have an odd texture to me. I have ideas now..... I'll be running out for some HT after work, I think.
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jessiferrrb wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I still want to find a decent low-fat ice cream up here. Had some Halo-Top on holidays and liked one flavour but didn't like the other. Only tried 2.
that's why I eat fudgesticks or full on ice cream although DQ has a yummy orange creamy thing...sobeys has one that's similar.
Small Frosty ($0.99 right now) is filling the void for me, but it would be nice to get Halo Top or something similar.
halo top actually makes a pretty good milkshake. it kind of bypasses any weird texture issues by blending it up. i suggest blending the vanilla bean with guinness beer, kahlua and some chocolate syrup.
My solution for Halo Top palatability issues is to have a bowl with one small scoop of chocolate Halo and two big scoops of Sea Salt Caramel Talenti.
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janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.17 -
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jessiferrrb wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »I still want to find a decent low-fat ice cream up here. Had some Halo-Top on holidays and liked one flavour but didn't like the other. Only tried 2.
that's why I eat fudgesticks or full on ice cream although DQ has a yummy orange creamy thing...sobeys has one that's similar.
Small Frosty ($0.99 right now) is filling the void for me, but it would be nice to get Halo Top or something similar.
halo top actually makes a pretty good milkshake. it kind of bypasses any weird texture issues by blending it up. i suggest blending the vanilla bean with guinness beer, kahlua and some chocolate syrup.
Grrrr.....
Not helpful.
They don't sell HT in Canada so I can't even try what you are suggesting. I'll stick with small frosty's.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
I don't see it so much as adding evil as sucking out its soul, leaving a sad, broken husk stripped of all that is kind and good.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
Indeed!4 -
French_Peasant wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
I don't see it so much as adding evil as sucking out its soul, leaving a sad, broken husk stripped of all that is kind and good.
That is true...3 -
French_Peasant wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »@jamesakrobinson Koalas and rabbits don't have hooves either and they're herbivores.
LMAO OK
I was just trying to illustrate a point with a bit of levity.
Too many people here seem to think in absolutes. My point has never been that my carnivorous preference is necessarily the "best" way to eat for everyone, nor that it is the only way to get lean. Different people have different metabolisms, and that is almost certainly also influenced by genetics too... where your ancestors evolved (ergo what available foods allowed them the opportunity to thrive and reproduce) and what kind and how much activity you do are huge factors too.
Marathon runners and strength athletes have different needs... and so people don't take those as absolute too... also everything in between or even being sedentary. (in which case I think less calories are a good idea)
My most important point is less about the evils of carbs and much more about the importance of fat!
Demonizing fat is the giant disservice that the US FDA did in the 1970s. That was the biggest instigating factor in starting the obesity and diabetes epidemic that has since begun to spread around the world.
You think people followed the guidelines? Think again. There is more "I know I shouldn't eat this but..." than meets the eye. You're talking as if people have been eating nothing but rice cakes since the recommendations. From the chart you will notice countries with a whole spectrum of obesity rates at any fat intake level, and in this screenshot in particular all the countries that eat less fat have a lower obesity rate than the US. You can't pin obesity on carbs or the perceived (not real) lack of fat.
Not sure where you live but I have a very difficult time finding full fat yogurt, ice-cream, even sour cream...
The whole dairy isle is low fat, reduced fat, or no fat...
No fat yogurt?? I call that pudding!
The same is true of almost every isle in almost every grocery store here. The fat has been removed and replaced with sugars or chemicals.
It's insidious. The general public thinks they're making healthy choices but they are in fact doing the exact opposite.
Margerine is another great example... butter is full of saturated fat, and is quite healthy but people were convinced that margerine, full of trans dats and devoid of any nutrional value was the healthier choice... That's just a couple examples but there are thousands...
Every grocery store I've been in has varying degrees of fat in dairy from full to none...also, reduced fat dairy products do not add sugar and other chemicals...
I suggest you read the label
What, exactly, do you think is being added to skim milk? Please be specific.
Evil.
Evil is added to skim milk.
I don't see it so much as adding evil as sucking out its soul, leaving a sad, broken husk stripped of all that is kind and good.
I see this in a similar manner - like a black hole sucking out all the joy in a specific radius from the epicenter of the container of evil...skim milk to the layperson. Drinking this is comparable to the Dementor's Kiss.6 -
But homo sapiens are literally part of the taxonomic family of primates called Hominidae. "great apes." And includes gorillas, chimps, orangutans, and....humans
I think what you might have been looking for is that our ancestors aren't monkeys. Which is the more common misunderstanding, and argument. But we are definitely descended from apes. Our parents are apes. We are apes.Nony_Mouse wrote: »As has already been pointed out, we are apes. You are misunderstanding something somewhere. We, along with the other Great Apes, descended from previous apes. Of the extant Great Apes, we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees most recently, they went their way at the split and we went ours. Prior to that, we and chimps shared a common ancestor with gorillas (maybe Nakalipithecus, maybe there's some yet to be discovered ancestor after that), gorillas went their way, the human/chimp ancestor(s) carried on for a couple more million years (and probably evolved into different species in between times). You can say we are not descended from chimpanzees and/or gorillas, and be absolutely correct, but saying we're not descended from apes, or that we ourselves aren't apes, is flat out wrong.
I stand corrected. I was getting at the bolded, but was incorrect in the way I put it.2 -
I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.1
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Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Me too. I don't like any milk, but if I'm drinking it you can be sure it will be skim. I hate the creamy taste of milk.2 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
Oh don't worry. I don't like bacon, steak, fried chicken, or donuts. I'll keep you company.1 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I prefer skim milk. Even did before I was losing weight. Guess that's about as popular as not liking Oreos.
I do too. I find it more refreshing than milk with more fat in it.1 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'm hypermobile, I can squat atg (and prefer to), but my trainer at my gym (who I do not pay btw) won't let me go full depth with anything over about 70% of my 1rpm, because I'm at risk of injury if I do. Does that mean that my just above parallel squats, that take a lot more control for me personally, to stop myself from going too low, somehow don't count? My PT (who I do pay to torture me) also prefers me not to bodyweight squat atg, because she knows how easy I find them, while stopping at or just above parallel takes more work for me, especially as I can sit at the bottom of a squat almost indefinitely.4
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