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Not trying to have an argument here. It's just my opinion and the side of studies that I chose to believe.RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
What's bad about a diet drink?
What am I fooling myself about?
If I'm drinking calories then it's going to wine.
To answer your questions, again it's just my person opinion. I understand there r studies that disagree just like there r studies that reaffirm it.
I believe there is more than just CICO when it comes to health. Stuff you eat matters to the organs. If organ malfunction, your CICO will be even harder to measure with the current at home device for average joe. If a person drink diet version of something for 0 cal purpose, it would be harmful in the long run. These diet drink tend to make people thinks it's alright to keep going at it. Compared with drinking the real thing, you would be alert a lot earlier.
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I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?4 -
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
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Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.4 -
I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
I think sugary sodas taste too sweet and sticky somehow, and dislike them. I can always tell immediately if I am given the wrong kind of soda (I also hate some diet sodas, like diet pepsi, but like diet coke pretty well). I also HATE wasting calories on a drink. So yes, I think it's bad if I end up consuming one.
I don't think it's harmful (certainly not in sensible, non excessive amounts), but even if it were (contrary to the evidence, of course), I KNOW it's not caloric, so how is it fooling myself if what I am specifically concerned with is calories and taste?5 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
I found weight loss to be much easier after I hit menopause.
Oh boy I sure didn't. Fat loss was the same but weight loss was a whole new ballgame for me.2 -
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
Too much of anything is bad for you. How is drinking non diet soda(which you suggested people should "man up" and drink) any better for you? You can't make the claim that diet soda is worse with no data to back it up and expect anyone here to not say anything. This is the same unsubstantiated and uneducated claim that gets made all of the time around here and I have yet to see a single person successfully defend that position.1 -
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
Too much of anything is bad for you. How is drinking non diet soda(which you suggested people should "man up" and drink) any better for you? You can't make the claim that diet soda is worse with no data to back it up and expect anyone here to not say anything. This is the same unsubstantiated and uneducated claim that gets made all of the time around here and I have yet to see a single person successfully defend that position.
All I know is this:
Too much diet soda: potentially bad
Too much sugary soda: potentially bad + lots of calories
Reasonable amounts of diet soda: likely fine
Reasonable amounts of sugary soda: likely fine + calories I would rather use elsewhere
Diet soda: tastes fine to me
Regular soda: tastes fine to me + calories I would rather use elsewhere.
I see no single scenario in which "manning up" and drinking sugary soda is better for me. The scale does not tip in its favor for me in any comparison.19 -
Regular soda right after a workout can be a good use of a calories and a nice treat.5
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Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regular counterpart.stevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
But to name other, diabetes, heart disease.
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
Too much of anything is bad for you. How is drinking non diet soda(which you suggested people should "man up" and drink) any better for you? You can't make the claim that diet soda is worse with no data to back it up and expect anyone here to not say anything. This is the same unsubstantiated and uneducated claim that gets made all of the time around here and I have yet to see a single person successfully defend that position.
Not trying to change people's opinion about anything. Merely posting my unpopular opinion about health. Also, drinking regular version is not any better, but at least you would be more aware of it compared with drinking diet version.
But you are right, I should have included some article to go with it. If people want, they can google all the pro and against on the topic and decide for themselves.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/new-concerns-about-diet-sodas
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-there-a-link-between-diet-soda-and-heart-disease-201202214296
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20170505/diet-soda-health-risks
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Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regular counterpart.stevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
But to name other, diabetes, heart disease.
Diet soda causes diabetes and heart disease?8 -
Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regular counterpart.stevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
But to name other, diabetes, heart disease.
Wait. :huh: What?5 -
Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regular counterpart.stevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
But to name other, diabetes, heart disease.
There is no sugar in, wait for it, sugar free drinks so how on earth can it impact/cause/exacerbate or whatever, diabetes?
Same goes for heart disease, where on earth have you seen a study that shows this link?
There is no evidence (not fear mongering blogs or websites) to indicate there is anything wrong with the consumption of diet drinks and any potential issues (so far only observed in mice as far as I'm aware) would call for drinking amounts that would cause far worse problems long before the side effects of the diet drink kicked in.
Oy vey.6 -
9/10 times when someone says "I've looked into all the literature" what they mean is they read a handful of abstracts they half remember.14
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byustrongman wrote: »9/10 times when someone says "I've looked into all the literature" what they mean is they read a handful of abstracts they half remember.
Except I'm pretty sure there aren't a handful of abstracts that say diet soda causes heart disease and diabetes lol6 -
Here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-011-1968-2VintageFeline wrote: »
Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regular counterpart.stevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
But to name other, diabetes, heart disease.
There is no sugar in, wait for it, sugar free drinks so how on earth can it impact/cause/exacerbate or whatever, diabetes?
Same goes for heart disease, where on earth have you seen a study that shows this link?
There is no evidence (not fear mongering blogs or websites) to indicate there is anything wrong with the consumption of diet drinks and any potential issues (so far only observed in mice as far as I'm aware) would call for drinking amounts that would cause far worse problems long before the side effects of the diet drink kicked in.
Oy vey.
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Here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-011-1968-2VintageFeline wrote: »
Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regular counterpart.stevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
But to name other, diabetes, heart disease.
There is no sugar in, wait for it, sugar free drinks so how on earth can it impact/cause/exacerbate or whatever, diabetes?
Same goes for heart disease, where on earth have you seen a study that shows this link?
There is no evidence (not fear mongering blogs or websites) to indicate there is anything wrong with the consumption of diet drinks and any potential issues (so far only observed in mice as far as I'm aware) would call for drinking amounts that would cause far worse problems long before the side effects of the diet drink kicked in.
Oy vey.
"Further research is needed before any conclusions can be made regarding the potential health consequences of diet soft drink consumption."9 -
Didn't dance around anything. My biggest concern with it is over-consuming it without knowing you are having too much of it compared with how you would react to regularstevencloser wrote: »
Exactly the reason for my respond above. I believe the stuff you eat matters to the organ. Sure it's 0 cal, but if u have too much of it, what would happen to ur organs? We all enjoy a little junk here n there from time to time. But when u r consuming something bad and not being aware or alert of it, that'd be troublesome.Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't believe in diet version of drinks. It's just as bad if not more harmful. Putting that on food diary to attempt to keep cal count low is just fooling yourself. Same goes for sugar substitutes. Just man up and consume the real thing, it's not the end of the world.
How is it more harmful? Why can't I spend those calories on something else? Or do you not believe that they're actually 0 calorie and that the manufacturers are lying and getting away with it?
You keep dancing around the question. WHAT is bad about it.
How would this happen? Would you slip, fall, hit your head and while semi-concious, down diet sodas one after another? I mean, anyone conscious would know if they are drinking them or they aren't, right?6
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